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Leeds brought Milner onto the big stage as a 16 year old, not Southampton. I can see an argument as to why he may wish to move there - but i've only seen assumptions being made by fans - has Milner said anything on this? Milner has said before he wanted to keep his family in the North because they were settled, so i dont see him going to places like Southampton.

If Milner does go, it's pretty unlikely we will be getting a fee for him - given his age and salary. We've already as far as i understand it activated the clause in his contract to keep him a further season so if he does stay, i dont see us having any issues with his salary - Klopp is always keen to find ways to get him involved. That wont stop Klopp from planning for the future - if anything it might aid it if stories of Lewis being promoted to being our only back up LB in the squad are true as we know Milner can do a job there if required.
If required being the optimum word. If have Lewis and actually buy a CB who can play RB or LB then that part of Milners game becomes void. And instead we can use him as a midfielder but with Ox coming back Keita hopefully coming good and fabinho and Winjaldum becoming hard to discount as a first choice it puts a 33yr old with only bit parts to play on a high wage at a disadvantage and these are the decisions that need making if we are to improve quality but stick to FFP rules. Paying Milner a big wage to be 5th choice midfielder is not a good plan. The wage saved alone would help get in a top player. Maybe Milner does want to stay but is that likely when he is seeing Fabinho and Keita bought knowing their 2nd season here will be the time they should be used more regular. Our midfield right now is not good enough for us to just sit and admire it. The front 3 are and the CB pairing of Van Dijk and Gomez are along with the fullback pairing of Robertson and Trent are and the goalkeeper Alisson is. Something has to change in that midfield that improves its creativity and its all round quality. Fabinho is the start of this improvement along with Keita if he can find his true form but we still have Henderson Milner and Lallana who as good as they are on their day Winjaldum is by far and away better. Ox is far better when fit. Milner is the only one out of those 3 that shows any sort of form regular but he always looks leggy at backend of a season which is understandable being 33yrs old but it just means we need to plan for the future and that means hard decisions and losing very good players to hopefully get top quality ones. Or do you fully expect us to improve just as we are? Coutinho went and left a gap that has never been filled and you can say we have improved as a squad all you want because that improvement has 2 things to it and they are Van Dijk and Alisson making that defensive wall so solid nothing is going in and the fact it is so strong it is allowing Trent and Robertson to be so attacking and creative that it only boosts the attacking 3 even more. But had Coutinho stayed and we got Van Dijk and Alisson then maybe we would be still 7 points ahead in the league having been able to unlock a defense better or scored from direct freekicks more often a creative presence in the middle is important in games that are not working out well. This is why Ox is such a huge miss. So if we are to not break FFS rules how are we to improve this midfield if not actually sell some of the players we have there already?
 

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Who said anything about breaking rules? We are earning more than last year. We as a club have done it all the right way big spending mainly done on transfer money achieved from sales and the actual club profit being put into stadium improvement and wage increases. We can now take that extra step to add even more quality. And let me just say if Moreno Sturridge Milner Lovren and Lallana were to go this next window that is close to 600k a wk in wages saved so tell me why it is hard to see maybe 2 players of 200k a wk standard coming in and the others on 100k. Rabiot is on a free if we get him so Milners wage would cover him bar bonuses. This is why clearing players on big wages that can be improved upon is the first process.

I wasn't saying you said anything about breaking rules,BUT you used Man City as a reference point to how our squad should be of better quality and competing on all 4 fronts like them,they are only able to do that because they are breaking rules.

We took that extra step last summer spending almost £170mill on Fabinho,Kieta,Alisson and Shaqiri,yes we've probably increased revenue's across every department but that doesn't mean we'll spend like we did last summer again.Klopp will spend what he feels is right to spend,end of story.Just like in january windows when peeps lose their shit because he doesn't buy players,he'll spend what he needs to build up his squad,HIS way,not how the fans think he should.
 

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Use paragraphs fella paragraphs....otherwise people will simply start ignoring your posts because it requires too much effort to read them.

If required being the optimum word. If have Lewis and actually buy a CB who can play RB or LB then that part of Milners game becomes void. And instead we can use him as a midfielder but with Ox coming back Keita hopefully coming good and fabinho and Winjaldum becoming hard to discount as a first choice it puts a 33yr old with only bit parts to play on a high wage at a disadvantage and these are the decisions that need making if we are to improve quality but stick to FFP rules. Paying Milner a big wage to be 5th choice midfielder is not a good plan. The wage saved alone would help get in a top player.
We are comfortably within our FFP limits so dont need to move Milner on to meet it, especially with all the outgoings expected this summer. Whether the wage we save from moving Milner on is enough for a top player depends on your definition of a top player - and also ignores the cost in transfer fees it would cost to sign that top player. Milner being on a big wage for one last season isnt a problem for us financially and wont stop us from signing any players we deem important to the clubs future. As i've already mentioned, the club appeared to have made up their minds and activated the extension clause in the contract.

Maybe Milner does want to stay but is that likely when he is seeing Fabinho and Keita bought knowing their 2nd season here will be the time they should be used more regular. Our midfield right now is not good enough for us to just sit and admire it. The front 3 are and the CB pairing of Van Dijk and Gomez are along with the fullback pairing of Robertson and Trent are and the goalkeeper Alisson is. Something has to change in that midfield that improves its creativity and its all round quality.
Yes, it is likely - he would have known that his playing time would become more limited given the increased competition for places, but he enjoys it at the club and the challenge in fighting for that starting place - it's noticeable that he has been one of the regular starters when everyone is fit. I am sure that Klopp would only seek to keep him here if he wants to stay - and that discussion would have happened when the decision to extend his contract was taken. The position of course may change - for example if Leeds are promoted and really want him to join them..... but there is nothing at the moment to indicate that is really the case.

Fabinho is the start of this improvement along with Keita if he can find his true form but we still have Henderson Milner and Lallana who as good as they are on their day Winjaldum is by far and away better. Ox is far better when fit. Milner is the only one out of those 3 that shows any sort of form regular but he always looks leggy at backend of a season which is understandable being 33yrs old but it just means we need to plan for the future and that means hard decisions and losing very good players to hopefully get top quality ones.
You are right he does become more leggy as the season draws on - because he is playing much more frequently in the first half of the season than anyone would expect him to...with Fabinho now motoring in midfield and hopefully Keita too, he can maintain his high standards throughout a whole season.

Or do you fully expect us to improve just as we are?
I believe the squad will improve significantly even if we do not bring additional players for the midfield area. We rely heavily on having our first choice full backs and forwards fit - improving the quality in depth in those areas will do more for us than making changes in midfield. Especially when we are yet to see how Ox is when he comes back.

Coutinho went and left a gap that has never been filled and you can say we have improved as a squad all you want because that improvement has 2 things to it and they are Van Dijk and Alisson making that defensive wall so solid nothing is going in and the fact it is so strong it is allowing Trent and Robertson to be so attacking and creative that it only boosts the attacking 3 even more. But had Coutinho stayed and we got Van Dijk and Alisson then maybe we would be still 7 points ahead in the league having been able to unlock a defense better or scored from direct freekicks more often a creative presence in the middle is important in games that are not working out well. This is why Ox is such a huge miss.
I liked Coutinho, but i think too much is made of his ability. Sure, if he was still here then we might be doing better - but that is because he would be providing additional depth - possibly to our forward line rather than midfield, which is where Klopp usually preferred him playing for us. But then so might have Fekir had we signed him last summer as planned. I'm not sure i see Ox and Coutinho as similar types of player.

So if we are to not break FFS rules how are we to improve this midfield if not actually sell some of the players we have there already?
We dont need to sell the players to improve the midfield, (as i've already said we are unlikely to sell Milner - if he goes it probably will be on a free transfer - so it's not bringing any additional money in). I think our midfield is already pretty good, so it's not a priority area for me and i think the 'lack of creativity' argument is over played. Work on the training pitch and the return to fitness of several attacking midfielders may be sufficient to address that issue.

We are still yet to see how Ox comes back from injury, If Lallana can stay fit for more than a couple of weeks, if Naby can continue his improvement and maybe Jones will have a role to play next season also.

Klopp likes to have only relatively small changes to the squad because of the time and effort he puts in to getting players ready. If we are looking to adding 4-5 players in to the defensive and forward line it makes it difficult to see him bringing in a midfielder too (albeit not impossible). Again with Milner though, it isnt just about numbers but what Klopp values in his character.
 
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I wasn't saying you said anything about breaking rules,BUT you used Man City as a reference point to how our squad should be of better quality and competing on all 4 fronts like them,they are only able to do that because they are breaking rules.

We took that extra step last summer spending almost £170mill on Fabinho,Kieta,Alisson and Shaqiri,yes we've probably increased revenue's across every department but that doesn't mean we'll spend like we did last summer again.Klopp will spend what he feels is right to spend,end of story.Just like in january windows when peeps lose their shit because he doesn't buy players,he'll spend what he needs to build up his squad,HIS way,not how the fans think he should.
Firstly ManCity if found guilty will be punished but the fact they achieved this team in a wrong way does not take away what a team that good can do. This is still the squad depth full of quality we should be aiming for is it not? So why bring up how they achieved it when we can get there above board. Keita was a signing from the previous year fella all be it not officially signed til this season but do not go using him as a reason we spent big because we sold Coutiniho to be able to spend big.what is the point in spending big on a defender and keeper if you are not going to back it up with improvements in other areas? The very difference these 2 big money signings have made should tell you what can be achieved if we do the same again in other positions. We are a top team again and playing some exciting football but do not make the mistake of thinking we can not improve the squad because we clearly can.
 
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Use paragraphs fella paragraphs....otherwise people will simply start ignoring your posts because it requires too much effort to read them.



We are comfortably within our FFP limits so dont need to move Milner on to meet it, especially with all the outgoings expected this summer. Whether the wage we save from moving Milner on is enough for a top player depends on your definition of a top player - and also ignores the cost in transfer fees it would cost to sign that top player. Milner being on a big wage for one last season isnt a problem for us financially and wont stop us from signing any players we deem important to the clubs future. As i've already mentioned, the club appeared to have made up their minds and activated the extension clause in the contract.



Yes, it is likely - he would have known that his playing time would become more limited given the increased competition for places, but he enjoys it at the club and the challenge in fighting for that starting place - it's noticeable that he has been one of the regular starters when everyone is fit. I am sure that Klopp would only seek to keep him here if he wants to stay - and that discussion would have happened when the decision to extend his contract was taken. The position of course may change - for example if Leeds are promoted and really want him to join them..... but there is nothing at the moment to indicate that is really the case.



You are right he does become more leggy as the season draws on - because he is playing much more frequently in the first half of the season than anyone would expect him to...with Fabinho now motoring in midfield and hopefully Keita too, he can maintain his high standards throughout a whole season.



I believe the squad will improve significantly even if we do not bring additional players for the midfield area. We rely heavily on having our first choice full backs and forwards fit - improving the quality in depth in those areas will do more for us than making changes in midfield. Especially when we are yet to see how Ox is when he comes back.



I liked Coutinho, but i think too much is made of his ability. Sure, if he was still here then we might be doing better - but that is because he would be providing additional depth - possibly to our forward line rather than midfield, which is where Klopp usually preferred him playing for us. But then so might have Fekir had we signed him last summer as planned. I'm not sure i see Ox and Coutinho as similar types of player.


We dont need to sell the players to improve the midfield, (as i've already said we are unlikely to sell Milner - if he goes it probably will be on a free transfer - so it's not bringing any additional money in). I think our midfield is already pretty good, so it's not a priority area for me and i think the 'lack of creativity' argument is over played. Work on the training pitch and the return to fitness of several attacking midfielders may be sufficient to address that issue.

We are still yet to see how Ox comes back from injury, If Lallana can stay fit for more than a couple of weeks, if Naby can continue his improvement and maybe Jones will have a role to play next season also.

Klopp likes to have only relatively small changes to the squad because of the time and effort he puts in to getting players ready. If we are looking to adding 4-5 players in to the defensive and forward line it makes it difficult to see him bringing in a midfielder too (albeit not impossible). Again with Milner though, it isnt just about numbers but what Klopp values in his character.
Why would we need 4 or 5 players in defence and attack 2 attackers with a mix of striker winger and striker AM and a CB is only 3 players in for Sturridge Origi and Lovren midfield could still be improved dramatically.

Transfer fee would not be an issue to replace milner as Rabiot is out of contract so would be a similar deal to Milner himself when we signed him difference being Rabiot is 23 not 29. Many ways for Klopp to improve the very thing that is causing issue in this team and to say it is not an issue is just poor.

We get nothing like the goals and assists we should be getting from our midfield and this is why we struggle when our attacking 3 are either not on it or a team is so well organised it blocks their ability to be dangerous. We end up dominating a game while looking toothless and this needs to stop. We need more than one way of playing.

All well and good having 2 of the best wing backs on the planet creating everything but when teams make us play narrow we have nothing creative there.
 

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I want Origi to stay he can be useful on the left or through the middle

Still have room for a first choice back up striker/winger as well
 
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I want Origi to stay he can be useful on the left or through the middle

Still have room for a first choice back up striker/winger as well
The point is to bring in a player of far better quality and far more use to push Firmino Salah and Mane. Origi only starts when Mane or Salah or Firmino are injured or need rest. A far better quality player offers up the choice of more players rather than knowing who is playing and the only decision that needs taking is when one is unavailable.

Had we got Fekir do you think he would not of been used and allowed Firmino Salah or Mane to be benched bit more keeping them far fresher than has been the case? This is what we lack with Origi Sturridge and did with Solanke. None are good enough to warrant a place ahead of our front 3 and that has to change.
 

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Firstly ManCity if found guilty will be punished but the fact they achieved this team in a wrong way does not take away what a team that good can do. This is still the squad depth full of quality we should be aiming for is it not? So why bring up how they achieved it when we can get there above board. Keita was a signing from the previous year fella all be it not officially signed til this season but do not go using him as a reason we spent big because we sold Coutiniho to be able to spend big.what is the point in spending big on a defender and keeper if you are not going to back it up with improvements in other areas? The very difference these 2 big money signings have made should tell you what can be achieved if we do the same again in other positions. We are a top team again and playing some exciting football but do not make the mistake of thinking we can not improve the squad because we clearly can.

If you listen to what Klopp has said since day one of being LFC manager,he told everyone to lower expectations and give him time to build his team.On that basis and the fact we aren't the richest club in the league,plus having to compete with the richest clubs on the planet (which we are right now),he's doing a plate spinning act and owning it..

To totally rebuild our squad from where Hodgson and Rodgers had taken it,offload deadwood and start again,this was a job that would take years to acheive real success.We are just over 3 years into his tenure and where we are as a team and club is amazing at this point in time.When you consider we don't have Man City/United types of funds to spend,we are punching above our weight.

That said...to answer your first question,yeah we want a squad full of quality but if you take into account my first 2 paragraphs,it also takes good scouting, a bit of luck,a lot of money and TIME to acheive it.Klopp is still building this squad and hasn't finished it yet (i always thought after 3-4 years it would be time to judge him on his management and team).We are doing it above board,we are spending within our means,which is why we are still building,for us to have the complete squad right now would have mean't us spending money we don't have.

I'm not 100% on the clubs books and by no means an accountant,but when we sold Coutinho in 2017/18 season we made £170mill in sales overall but spent £150mill (VVD,Salah,Robertson and AOC),making a £20mill profit,we've just spent £170mill this summer and sold £30mill,so on the last 2 seasons transfers we've spent £120mill.We've probably got funds held back from deep CL runs but all i was saying was don't expect us to go breaking transfer records on every position we need to strengthen in during the summer,if Klopp see's the right player at the right price,aslong as he fits the team then he'll buy him,even if it's only a £10-20mill fee.
 

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Damn..That's better than any porn.....
It's really not.

If you can lose weight to the idea of Fabinho and Neves as a double pivot you're a better man than me. And by 'better man', I do, of course, mean 'bigger perv'.

I didn't dismiss the idea out of hand (hurr hurr), I gave it a good go 'n all, but in the end porn was definitely the thing for the happy ending.
 

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The point is to bring in a player of far better quality and far more use to push Firmino Salah and Mane. Origi only starts when Mane or Salah or Firmino are injured or need rest. A far better quality player offers up the choice of more players rather than knowing who is playing and the only decision that needs taking is when one is unavailable.

Had we got Fekir do you think he would not of been used and allowed Firmino Salah or Mane to be benched bit more keeping them far fresher than has been the case? This is what we lack with Origi Sturridge and did with Solanke. None are good enough to warrant a place ahead of our front 3 and that has to change.
That doesn't necessarily mean you'd have to get rid of Origi, there are other spots up for grabs. Just replacing Sturridge with a better player is a good start and Shaqiri is looking less and less likely as a long term option in this 433.

Despite what people say about City's strength in depth, there is nobody pushing Ederson, Mendy (if fit) Laporte, Fernandinho, D.Silva, KDB, Sterling or Aguero for starts, because they're so good. We're not going to have multiple players on the bench that can legitimately challenge Mane and Salah because they're simply too good. This is the case with any top team that has a small handful of world class players. That's a good problem to have, not a bad one.
 
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If you listen to what Klopp has said since day one of being LFC manager,he told everyone to lower expectations and give him time to build his team.On that basis and the fact we aren't the richest club in the league,plus having to compete with the richest clubs on the planet (which we are right now),he's doing a plate spinning act and owning it..

To totally rebuild our squad from where Hodgson and Rodgers had taken it,offload deadwood and start again,this was a job that would take years to acheive real success.We are just over 3 years into his tenure and where we are as a team and club is amazing at this point in time.When you consider we don't have Man City/United types of funds to spend,we are punching above our weight.

That said...to answer your first question,yeah we want a squad full of quality but if you take into account my first 2 paragraphs,it also takes good scouting, a bit of luck,a lot of money and TIME to acheive it.Klopp is still building this squad and hasn't finished it yet (i always thought after 3-4 years it would be time to judge him on his management and team).We are doing it above board,we are spending within our means,which is why we are still building,for us to have the complete squad right now would have mean't us spending money we don't have.

I'm not 100% on the clubs books and by no means an accountant,but when we sold Coutinho in 2017/18 season we made £170mill in sales overall but spent £150mill (VVD,Salah,Robertson and AOC),making a £20mill profit,we've just spent £170mill this summer and sold £30mill,so on the last 2 seasons transfers we've spent £120mill.We've probably got funds held back from deep CL runs but all i was saying was don't expect us to go breaking transfer records on every position we need to strengthen in during the summer,if Klopp see's the right player at the right price,aslong as he fits the team then he'll buy him,even if it's only a £10-20mill fee.
Why are you waffling on about it taking time? We all know it takes time which is why Klopp has been given so long without winning a single trophy and even if won nothing this season he would again get more time.

We do have money so why even mention it? We are in a position to spend big again especially after offloading unwanted players and it is fans like you that witter on about funds like we are Burnley or something that were all moaning when we paid so much for Van Dijk and Alisson but look at how they turned out.

More signings of that calibre are needed it is that simple and if you do not understand that then you are clueless pal.
 
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That doesn't necessarily mean you'd have to get rid of Origi, there are other spots up for grabs. Just replacing Sturridge with a better player is a good start and Shaqiri is looking less and less likely as a long term option in this 433.

Despite what people say about City's strength in depth, there is nobody pushing Ederson, Mendy (if fit) Laporte, Fernandinho, D.Silva, KDB, Sterling or Aguero for starts, because they're so good. We're not going to have multiple players on the bench that can legitimately challenge Mane and Salah because they're simply too good. This is the case with any top team that has a small handful of world class players. That's a good problem to have, not a bad one.
Of course they have players pushing all those you named for City. The proof being each of them have been unused in many big games if likes of Sane or Mahrez or Jesus or Silva are showing something in training. And the very fact they have those players behind the more regular starters pushes the regulars to stay at their best which is exactly what we do not have and what the best teams do.
 

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If we're talking the caliber of Allison and VVD in their positions, probable strikers better than Salah and Mane at this moment would be Mbappe and Neymar Jr. I would buy Mbappe as Neymar is injury prone, but price would probably be more than 220+million Euros PSG paid Barca.
 

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Maybe not a "likely" purchase but seems Griezmann is available for around £100 million tops this summer and no longer happy at Atletico. As an incredible option at LF and CF in 433 or SS and CF in 4231 he'd be so perfect for us even at 28.
 

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Maybe not a "likely" purchase but seems Griezmann is available for around £100 million tops this summer and no longer happy at Atletico. As an incredible option at LF and CF in 433 or SS and CF in 4231 he'd be so perfect for us even at 28.
Can't see us buying anyone over 24 unless Fekir is available on the cheap and we decide to take a risk.
 

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Why are you waffling on about it taking time? We all know it takes time which is why Klopp has been given so long without winning a single trophy and even if won nothing this season he would again get more time.

We do have money so why even mention it? We are in a position to spend big again especially after offloading unwanted players and it is fans like you that witter on about funds like we are Burnley or something that were all moaning when we paid so much for Van Dijk and Alisson but look at how they turned out.

More signings of that calibre are needed it is that simple and if you do not understand that then you are clueless pal.

Waffling on about time,your the one thinking we should have every department sorted out by now.How our Midfield ain't good enough and we can't carry on using these players.

Klopps had 3 summer transfer windows and a limited budget to work with (compared to our main rivals),you really think he could sort out every position and bench players,plus offload deadwood in 3 windows?? what he's done uptill know is remarkable even without winning a trophy.

Listen guy,your the one talking about us having shed loads of money,i didn't realise you had inside info on the clubs books,your the one talking about time,like we should have sorted out every position like yesterday and your the one using Man City as our measuring stick.

I never once moaned about paying for VVD or Allisson or that we have Burnley types of funds.I'm the type of fan who listens to what Klopps said from day one,your the type who has his head in the clouds thinking we can compete financially with Man City and should have our squad sorted out and winning trophys already and i'm the clueless one lol
 

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Klopp plays the game, remember when he put all his faith publically in Mignolet and Karius and then shelled out a world record fee for Alisson?

He will buy players if he thinks they will improve us and will fit here. He will also look internally first, he loves developing. Just don’t think its as cut and dry as he is portraying in the media.

Also if he starts lauding it up saying yeah big overhaul coming in the summer what does his current crop of players think? Surely would be a bit demotivating no?

I think we’ll see 5 players coming in (or promoted) at varying degrees of first team readiness. Left Back, CenterBack, Midfielder (no.8), Attacker (no8 or no.10) Striker (WF or no.9).

P.s. I think Mignolet stays, hes a fantastic back up and he is our biggest cheerleader.. Think he loves the club and if getting medals will stay.

P.p.s. Has Origi started to force Klopp to re-think his summer plans? Quietly established himself as the 1st sub for our attacking positions and is playing well. He actually creates our 3rd goal v’s Bayern with his close control and pulling Sule out of the line which Mane attacks into.

P.p.p.s. The more I think about it the more I think we will 100% go for Sessegnon.. I get he isn’t a left back but he can play there, which is all we require. That option to rotate with Robertson for primarily easier games, which the left back plays as a quasi-winger anyway.. Exactly what Sessgnon is primed to play. I think he would be a star under Klopp personally. 30 premiership games at 18.. unreal.
This is some of the best postscript work I’ve seen on a football forum, repped! I like the Origi and Sessegnon shouts too.
 
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If we're talking the caliber of Allison and VVD in their positions, probable strikers better than Salah and Mane at this moment would be Mbappe and Neymar Jr. I would buy Mbappe as Neymar is injury prone, but price would probably be more than 220+million Euros PSG paid Barca.
I might put Mbappe in there, but I wouldn't take Neymar if he was offered. Not a great forward though he obviously has some skills. Seriously have never seen anything in him that makes him an elite striker in the world game. Again, I'm not saying he is crap, but I am saying he's less effective than so many others, and I do not think his skillset would translate well to England. He's scored a ton of goals with a loaded Barcelona team that was 1 of 3 good teams in Spain and he now plays for a the only half decent side in France so he faces poor competition week in and week out.
 

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Why would we need 4 or 5 players in defence and attack 2 attackers with a mix of striker winger and striker AM and a CB is only 3 players in for Sturridge Origi and Lovren midfield could still be improved dramatically.

Transfer fee would not be an issue to replace milner as Rabiot is out of contract so would be a similar deal to Milner himself when we signed him difference being Rabiot is 23 not 29. Many ways for Klopp to improve the very thing that is causing issue in this team and to say it is not an issue is just poor.

We get nothing like the goals and assists we should be getting from our midfield and this is why we struggle when our attacking 3 are either not on it or a team is so well organised it blocks their ability to be dangerous. We end up dominating a game while looking toothless and this needs to stop. We need more than one way of playing.

All well and good having 2 of the best wing backs on the planet creating everything but when teams make us play narrow we have nothing creative there.
Thank you for using paragraphs/white space. Much easier to read than a large block of text.
 

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Origi has been doing well of late, and he has worked himself up to first substitute for the front three. If he wants to leave then hopefully we will get a few bob, say £30M, as he is still quite young, is fast, strong, has a good shot and quick feet. There’s a lot there for someone to be tempted to buy.

Put me down for Werner. And Brandt - especially at the rumoured fee. Werner would be an upgrade on Origi and can play centrally or off the left wing. Brandt is a quality and versatile player who will add goals and assists from midfield.

Bergwijn would be an alternate to Werner, though obviously he plays on the wings. That’s fine though, as all three of our current strikers can play center forward, as needed. And if Brandt doesn’t come there are others, like Havertz or Aouar.

Two players to give us more attacking depth and options, however you slice it...

We also need a left back, assuming Moreno leaves. I wonder how much Celtic would want for Tierney? He looks a good player. Arguably he won’t want to come to play second fiddle to Robertson, so we might need someone like Kelly or a younger player from within.

Arguably we can leave central defence alone while we see how things pan out next season. VVD and Gomez looked superb for the first half of the season. Matip has come in and done well. Lovren is a decent player but arguably he is becoming fourth choice, so might not want to stay around. If we can keep all four next season I would do it, and then let the chips fall where they may by the following summer, and we will know more about what we might need in that department.

Milner is a solid pro but none can defeat old Father Time. He will have one more season after this, at best, but whatever happens it will all be done with respect and honor.

Grujic is doing very well in Berlin. He is ready to come back and add some depth to the midfield.
 
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Origi has been doing well of late, and he has worked himself up to first substitute for the front three. If he wants to leave then hopefully we will get a few bob, say £30M, as he is still quite young, is fast, strong, has a good shot and quick feet. There’s a lot there for someone to be tempted to buy.

Put me down for Werner. And Brandt - especially at the rumoured fee. Werner would be an upgrade on Origi and can play centrally or off the left wing. Brandt is a quality and versatile player who will add goals and assists from midfield.

Bergwijn would be an alternate to Werner, though obviously he plays on the wings. That’s fine though, as all three of our current strikers can play center forward, as needed. And if Brandt doesn’t come there are others, like Havertz or Aouar.

Two players to give us more attacking depth and options, however you slice it...

We also need a left back, assuming Moreno leaves. I wonder how much Celtic would want for Tierney? He looks a good player. Arguably he won’t want to come to play second fiddle to Robertson, so we might need someone like Kelly or a younger player from within.

Arguably we can leave central defence alone while we see how things pan out next season. VVD and Gomez looked superb for the first half of the season. Matip has come in and done well. Lovren is a decent player but arguably he is becoming fourth choice, so might not want to stay around. If we can keep all four next season I would do it, and then let the chips fall where they may by the following summer, and we will know more about what we might need in that department.

Milner is a solid pro but none can defeat old Father Time. He will have one more season after this, at best, but whatever happens it will all be done with respect and honor.

Grujic is doing very well in Berlin. He is ready to come back and add some depth to the midfield.
Firstly we will not need a LB Adam Lewis is ready for the step up when needed and for the amount of games Moreno is used now why go buy anybody. And instead we should concentrate on a CB who can play at fullback also.

I agree that Grujic is looking like a player we can rely on in seasons to come but i still feel a loan away again to a far more competitive club would be wiser because he will not break into our midfield with Ox back Keita coming good Fabinho and Winjaldum looking like solid starters Milner if stays would be ahead of him and if not i do not see Grujic stepping in to replace Milner.

Rabiot for me on a free is an ideal signing for us but we will have to see if Klopp see's him as a player he can use.

All in all we all know we need 2 Attacking types and a far better CB alternative to Lovren and 1 or 2 midfield players out of Lallana Henderson and Milner need changing because the very fact Fabinho has come in and improved that anchor role 100% shows our defence and attack is on a different level to our midfield in terms of quality.

They are by no means rubbish but they are not of the same standard the rest of the team are at now except maybe Fabinho and Keita if he starts showing his quality and Wijnaldum has shown last 18 month just how much better he is than Hendo or Lallana. Milner is top draw but as you say old father time stops for nobody.
 

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Firstly we will not need a LB Adam Lewis is ready for the step up when needed and for the amount of games Moreno is used now why go buy anybody. And instead we should concentrate on a CB who can play at fullback also.

I agree that Grujic is looking like a player we can rely on in seasons to come but i still feel a loan away again to a far more competitive club would be wiser because he will not break into our midfield with Ox back Keita coming good Fabinho and Winjaldum looking like solid starters Milner if stays would be ahead of him and if not i do not see Grujic stepping in to replace Milner.

Rabiot for me on a free is an ideal signing for us but we will have to see if Klopp see's him as a player he can use.

All in all we all know we need 2 Attacking types and a far better CB alternative to Lovren and 1 or 2 midfield players out of Lallana Henderson and Milner need changing because the very fact Fabinho has come in and improved that anchor role 100% shows our defence and attack is on a different level to our midfield in terms of quality.

They are by no means rubbish but they are not of the same standard the rest of the team are at now except maybe Fabinho and Keita if he starts showing his quality and Wijnaldum has shown last 18 month just how much better he is than Hendo or Lallana. Milner is top draw but as you say old father time stops for nobody.
No-one knows if Adam Lewis is ready (or Camacho for that matter) except Klopp and his coaches. All we know is that he is highly rated, has just been given a new contract, and there is no real link to any new full-back knocking about. We also know that Klopp and the club won’t spend money on players to put in the way of promising youngsters.

I wonder if Milner will be cajoled into another year (I know Father Time, but he is one of the fittest lads in the squad) to give Lewis a more gentle pathway, and not leave us so reliant on an unproven youngster. That would be ideal, although it’s understandable if Leeds do come up he might want to go. He might also want another season challenging titles and European Cups.

Personally I think we’ll be a little frustrated at what little business we end up doing. I think the only absolute certainties are a back up keeper and a creative midfielder. As much as we might feel we need forwards, full backs, Centre backs etc, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that Klopp will want to do much.

Personally, I would love to see another centre back to replace Matip and Lovren, but Klopp might be happy with the quality, and Matip has certainly done well over the last few months, both in terms of performance and avoiding injury.

I’d also love to see another forward at the level of the first choice three, but Klopp might look at Origi’s encouraging performances and the return of Brewster, and conclude that we’re fine.
 

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I might put Mbappe in there, but I wouldn't take Neymar if he was offered. Not a great forward though he obviously has some skills. Seriously have never seen anything in him that makes him an elite striker in the world game. Again, I'm not saying he is crap, but I am saying he's less effective than so many others, and I do not think his skillset would translate well to England. He's scored a ton of goals with a loaded Barcelona team that was 1 of 3 good teams in Spain and he now plays for a the only half decent side in France so he faces poor competition week in and week out.
Neymar is one of the best players in the world, potential Golden Ball winner (if it weren't for Messi and Ronaldo he would have won already), imo. I even don't understand why people compare Mbappe to him since clearly Neymar is the better player by far, especially after Tuchel took over. He is the main source of creativity playing as number 10 for PSG, he should have way more assists but Mbappe and Cavani usually miss too many goals to my taste.

Neymar will probably end his carreer as Brazil's top 2 scorer of all time (he will surpass people like Ronaldo and Zico) even though his generation is only average compared to previous ones. Also he has been absolutely amazing in CL since 14/15, both for Barcelona and PSG and he was pivotal when Barcelona won CL (especially vs PSG).

The biggest problem with him though is the way he manages his carreer. Ronaldinho has passed the torch to Messi and Messi would do the same to Neymar, but the Brazilian was dumb enough to leave because he wanted to be the main star in his team and playing with Messi he would never become the best in the world. PSG was the only club that could make all that possible, but it was a huge mistake. Also, his lifestyle and lack of ethics is horrible. He has no respect towards his teammates and he doesn't care about PSG since he thinks he is bigger than the club.

Lastly, the "diving situation" has made him look like a clown to the whole world at WC.

But if we are talking purely about football, I can't remember a better player (Ronaldo and Messi aside) in the last years. Mbappe is too raw yet (he is just starting, 20 year old kid). He is better in terms of speed and age, but Neymar is a much more all-round player, a better finisher, dribbler and playmaker. I think he would have the same impact in any league, no matter what. If he were to come to England, he would probably become the best player in the league since Messi and Ronaldo are not there.

I'd take him in a heartbeat (even though overall I dislike him, not the kind of behavior I want), but obviously he is not the kind of player we would have, especially with Klopp.
 

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Why would we need 4 or 5 players in defence and attack 2 attackers with a mix of striker winger and striker AM and a CB is only 3 players in for Sturridge Origi and Lovren midfield could still be improved dramatically.
2 full backs, and 2 forwards = 4. Add in possible further replacements for any departing CB or GK. If you are binning off Milner (our back up RB and LB) then we most definitely need full backs coming in along with a replacement midfielder. If you are proposing on moving any other midfielder (such as Hendo) out to afford a more expensive signing then you arent adding any quality depth to the squad. If you can identify a player capable of switching with the front 3 and with midfield, then great but they have to be able to graft like Milner.

We may have about £30-40m coming from our usual summer budget, about another £40m already earmarked from sales (Ings and Solanke), possibly another £50-60m from the money that wasnt spent on Fekir (if this hasnt already been spent on improved contracts). We're losing Studge, Moreno for free and could be set to lose both Origi and Clyne for about £10m each. Beyond that most players you want moving out will lead to us having a higher cost to replace them with unless we strike it lucky in offloading some of the younger players not deemed good enough to play for the first team.

Transfer fee would not be an issue to replace milner as Rabiot is out of contract so would be a similar deal to Milner himself when we signed him difference being Rabiot is 23 not 29. Many ways for Klopp to improve the very thing that is causing issue in this team and to say it is not an issue is just poor.
Rabiot is still going to cost more in wages than Milner and will require a healthy sign on fee. It is also pretty unlikely in my opinon Klopp would want him given the comments he has made publically over the last few years. If i remember correctly, Rabiot wants to play as an attacking midfielder, but has often been asked to play a deeper role as he doesnt get the numbers further forward (and which has led to some of his outbursts). That doesnt sound like a player Klopp would be keen to bring in.

It's not poor. You are inflating a minor problem. If it was such an issue, we wouldnt be top of the league or favourites to reach at least the semi finals of the CL this season. It would make more sense to allow Milner to have one more season and then plan for an extensive midfield rebuild that summer.

We get nothing like the goals and assists we should be getting from our midfield and this is why we struggle when our attacking 3 are either not on it or a team is so well organised it blocks their ability to be dangerous. We end up dominating a game while looking toothless and this needs to stop. We need more than one way of playing.
Our problem is not that we havent been creating chances against low blocking teams, but our forward line are profligate with some of those chances, and we havent been given the penalties that we should have in some of those games. We've scored against most of them. We've also been playing without our two primary attacking mids for most of the season. Unless they are not going to be around next season, i dont see it as an area of immediate need and any midfield spot that comes up will probably be for a younger player to get some experience.

City have likewise been struggling to score despite having a much more creative midfield than us - and if it wasnt for a few dodgy decisions in their favour, they would be much further behind us points wise.

All well and good having 2 of the best wing backs on the planet creating everything but when teams make us play narrow we have nothing creative there.
Teams dont make us play narrow. We do so because thats how we are set up, with a narrow forward line and a narrow midfield. Our team is set up differently to other comparable teams so we shouldnt expect our players to be scoring as many goals from midfield as they do.
 

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Firstly ManCity if found guilty will be punished but the fact they achieved this team in a wrong way does not take away what a team that good can do. This is still the squad depth full of quality we should be aiming for is it not? So why bring up how they achieved it when we can get there above board.
It's about time. If you dont have the means to bend the rules and spend whatever you like, then it takes time to catch up. And requires trade offs. You cant simply buy every player you want in every position.

Keita was a signing from the previous year fella all be it not officially signed til this season but do not go using him as a reason we spent big because we sold Coutiniho to be able to spend big.what is the point in spending big on a defender and keeper if you are not going to back it up with improvements in other areas?
Who said anything about not backing it up with improvements? Being able to play the same kind of football when Trent or Robertson arent available, or being able to rest Salah, Mane or Bobby would be a significant improvement. Just imagine having a player like Salah run at you for 65 minutes and Mane for the last 30?

The very difference these 2 big money signings have made should tell you what can be achieved if we do the same again in other positions.
Not necessarily. GK and CB were our two longest standing weaknesses and the two candidates we signed were excellent candidates in a market of not much quality. We are much stronger in our other positions in the first 11. In addition, previous heavy spending has come from the sale of an important player, or from focusing the money on just a couple f players. without any additional monies means that any decision to spend equally big this season, will mean we cant add depth where it is really needed - up front and at full back. When we have midfielders missing, our quality doesnt drop off anywhere near as much as it does when our full backs or forwards are missing.

We are a top team again and playing some exciting football but do not make the mistake of thinking we can not improve the squad because we clearly can.
No one has said anything about not being able to improve the squad. People are disagreeing over your view that we need to bin the midfield, and spend big doing so at the expense of other parts of the squad.
 

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Ryan Sessegnon - too many pros to say no to this transfer.
Sessegnon is a selfco nfessed Liverpool fan.
Young English player /18 years old/ with huge potential and he is playing at a very good level already.
Great option for the left side - can play left back, left midfielder and left winger. In emergency situations he is a very good option for right winger. Moreno is leaving on a free transfer and we need a back up for Robertson. And in some games Mane or Salah will need a rest or at least a competition.
Sessegnon is young, willing to learn and not a finished product, something our German manager really likes.
This summer Ryan will ha ve only one year left of his cotract /expires in 2020/. Fulham are going down and will need to balance their finances. He could be available for 20-25 mln. pounds.

Brandt - another exciting talent from Germany. This season Julian stepped up his game and is Leverkusen's top performer. Bosz /their manager/ changed his position and the youngster is used mainly as a number 8, scoring and assiting regularly.
And this summer his release clause could be activated. 20 mln. pounds and LFC could talk directly to the player and his agent.

Second choice goalkeeper is a must, as Mignolet will be sold. Experienced goalkeeper helping Grabara and Celleher will be good. Hitz, Fahrmann, Foster are decent options.

I'd also offer new contract to Origi. Looks like Divock is playing with confidence lately. I really like how direct and powerful he is. Running against defenders, shooting assisting, great work rate defensively.
And looks like at the moment Klopp trust him more than players with bigger impact at the start of the season - Shaqiri and Sturridge.

These two players won't cost fortune /probably between 40-50 mln. pounds/ and will add more creativity in midfield and cover in defence and attack.
Bonus signing - Werner. Great player who could easily play in all three available attacking positions. Suchh signing will add depth and will give Klopp more chances to rotate our three main players - Salah, Mane, Firmino.

Sturridge and Moreno will leave on free transfers.
Mignolet will be sold. There is a big chance to see Lallana sold and if Leeds gain promotion, Millie could go back to the club where he got his first taste of professional football.