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Why would we need 4 or 5 players in defence and attack 2 attackers with a mix of striker winger and striker AM and a CB is only 3 players in for Sturridge Origi and Lovren midfield could still be improved dramatically.
2 full backs, and 2 forwards = 4. Add in possible further replacements for any departing CB or GK. If you are binning off Milner (our back up RB and LB) then we most definitely need full backs coming in along with a replacement midfielder. If you are proposing on moving any other midfielder (such as Hendo) out to afford a more expensive signing then you arent adding any quality depth to the squad. If you can identify a player capable of switching with the front 3 and with midfield, then great but they have to be able to graft like Milner.

We may have about £30-40m coming from our usual summer budget, about another £40m already earmarked from sales (Ings and Solanke), possibly another £50-60m from the money that wasnt spent on Fekir (if this hasnt already been spent on improved contracts). We're losing Studge, Moreno for free and could be set to lose both Origi and Clyne for about £10m each. Beyond that most players you want moving out will lead to us having a higher cost to replace them with unless we strike it lucky in offloading some of the younger players not deemed good enough to play for the first team.

Transfer fee would not be an issue to replace milner as Rabiot is out of contract so would be a similar deal to Milner himself when we signed him difference being Rabiot is 23 not 29. Many ways for Klopp to improve the very thing that is causing issue in this team and to say it is not an issue is just poor.
Rabiot is still going to cost more in wages than Milner and will require a healthy sign on fee. It is also pretty unlikely in my opinon Klopp would want him given the comments he has made publically over the last few years. If i remember correctly, Rabiot wants to play as an attacking midfielder, but has often been asked to play a deeper role as he doesnt get the numbers further forward (and which has led to some of his outbursts). That doesnt sound like a player Klopp would be keen to bring in.

It's not poor. You are inflating a minor problem. If it was such an issue, we wouldnt be top of the league or favourites to reach at least the semi finals of the CL this season. It would make more sense to allow Milner to have one more season and then plan for an extensive midfield rebuild that summer.

We get nothing like the goals and assists we should be getting from our midfield and this is why we struggle when our attacking 3 are either not on it or a team is so well organised it blocks their ability to be dangerous. We end up dominating a game while looking toothless and this needs to stop. We need more than one way of playing.
Our problem is not that we havent been creating chances against low blocking teams, but our forward line are profligate with some of those chances, and we havent been given the penalties that we should have in some of those games. We've scored against most of them. We've also been playing without our two primary attacking mids for most of the season. Unless they are not going to be around next season, i dont see it as an area of immediate need and any midfield spot that comes up will probably be for a younger player to get some experience.

City have likewise been struggling to score despite having a much more creative midfield than us - and if it wasnt for a few dodgy decisions in their favour, they would be much further behind us points wise.

All well and good having 2 of the best wing backs on the planet creating everything but when teams make us play narrow we have nothing creative there.
Teams dont make us play narrow. We do so because thats how we are set up, with a narrow forward line and a narrow midfield. Our team is set up differently to other comparable teams so we shouldnt expect our players to be scoring as many goals from midfield as they do.
 

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Firstly ManCity if found guilty will be punished but the fact they achieved this team in a wrong way does not take away what a team that good can do. This is still the squad depth full of quality we should be aiming for is it not? So why bring up how they achieved it when we can get there above board.
It's about time. If you dont have the means to bend the rules and spend whatever you like, then it takes time to catch up. And requires trade offs. You cant simply buy every player you want in every position.

Keita was a signing from the previous year fella all be it not officially signed til this season but do not go using him as a reason we spent big because we sold Coutiniho to be able to spend big.what is the point in spending big on a defender and keeper if you are not going to back it up with improvements in other areas?
Who said anything about not backing it up with improvements? Being able to play the same kind of football when Trent or Robertson arent available, or being able to rest Salah, Mane or Bobby would be a significant improvement. Just imagine having a player like Salah run at you for 65 minutes and Mane for the last 30?

The very difference these 2 big money signings have made should tell you what can be achieved if we do the same again in other positions.
Not necessarily. GK and CB were our two longest standing weaknesses and the two candidates we signed were excellent candidates in a market of not much quality. We are much stronger in our other positions in the first 11. In addition, previous heavy spending has come from the sale of an important player, or from focusing the money on just a couple f players. without any additional monies means that any decision to spend equally big this season, will mean we cant add depth where it is really needed - up front and at full back. When we have midfielders missing, our quality doesnt drop off anywhere near as much as it does when our full backs or forwards are missing.

We are a top team again and playing some exciting football but do not make the mistake of thinking we can not improve the squad because we clearly can.
No one has said anything about not being able to improve the squad. People are disagreeing over your view that we need to bin the midfield, and spend big doing so at the expense of other parts of the squad.
 

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Ryan Sessegnon - too many pros to say no to this transfer.
Sessegnon is a selfco nfessed Liverpool fan.
Young English player /18 years old/ with huge potential and he is playing at a very good level already.
Great option for the left side - can play left back, left midfielder and left winger. In emergency situations he is a very good option for right winger. Moreno is leaving on a free transfer and we need a back up for Robertson. And in some games Mane or Salah will need a rest or at least a competition.
Sessegnon is young, willing to learn and not a finished product, something our German manager really likes.
This summer Ryan will ha ve only one year left of his cotract /expires in 2020/. Fulham are going down and will need to balance their finances. He could be available for 20-25 mln. pounds.

Brandt - another exciting talent from Germany. This season Julian stepped up his game and is Leverkusen's top performer. Bosz /their manager/ changed his position and the youngster is used mainly as a number 8, scoring and assiting regularly.
And this summer his release clause could be activated. 20 mln. pounds and LFC could talk directly to the player and his agent.

Second choice goalkeeper is a must, as Mignolet will be sold. Experienced goalkeeper helping Grabara and Celleher will be good. Hitz, Fahrmann, Foster are decent options.

I'd also offer new contract to Origi. Looks like Divock is playing with confidence lately. I really like how direct and powerful he is. Running against defenders, shooting assisting, great work rate defensively.
And looks like at the moment Klopp trust him more than players with bigger impact at the start of the season - Shaqiri and Sturridge.

These two players won't cost fortune /probably between 40-50 mln. pounds/ and will add more creativity in midfield and cover in defence and attack.
Bonus signing - Werner. Great player who could easily play in all three available attacking positions. Suchh signing will add depth and will give Klopp more chances to rotate our three main players - Salah, Mane, Firmino.

Sturridge and Moreno will leave on free transfers.
Mignolet will be sold. There is a big chance to see Lallana sold and if Leeds gain promotion, Millie could go back to the club where he got his first taste of professional football.
 

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So Ryan Sessegnon can play LB, so he's left-footed right?
If he comes to Liverpool then wouldn't Klopp, therefore, play him on the right, as he does to Salah, so he can cut inside?
Or is he two-footed in which case, could he play RB too?
 

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Agree that Sessegnon would be a great pickup, and likely his fee has been "adjusted" somewhat. Two seasons ago he was an up and coming phenom guaranteed to be moving on, but he's not set the league alight with Fulham (difficult to do, in fairness). Would rather see Brandt come in, along with Brewster getting his chance. I also have a bit of a thing for Luka Jovic, and his versatility - mainly a striker but can play across the front line - makes him ideal.

I think a centre back is an absolute must. Love Joe, and yes all his injuries are impact related and bad luck, but they exist anyways. Matip might have changed my mind on him in recent weeks, he's done well. My opinion on Lovren is well documented. So for me, a top CB coming in would be the main priority. I'd love De Ligt. Love love love it. Him and Big Virg would be imperious for us, and Gomez is versatile enough to fill in on either flank as well. Matip as the covering CB.

For a backup goalkeeper - bring back Pepe.

De Ligt, Jovic, and one of Sessegnon/Brandt would likely be £130m though.
 

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So Ryan Sessegnon can play LB, so he's left-footed right?
If he comes to Liverpool then wouldn't Klopp, therefore, play him on the right, as he does to Salah, so he can cut inside?
Or is he two-footed in which case, could he play RB too?
According to Transfer Markt he is left footed, and his main position is left midfield with other positions being left back and left wing, so he's already quite versatile. He is still very young (only turns 19 in May) so has time on his side to adapt to whatever changes Klopp might deem fit.
There is only one year remaining on his contract so this summer will be realistically Fulham's last chance to cash in especially so, as if looks likely, they get relegated.

So depending on the competition e.g. spuds, he might be available for a reasonable fee.
 

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According to Transfer Markt he is left footed, and his main position is left midfield with other positions being left back and left wing, so he's already quite versatile. He is still very young (only turns 19 in May) so has time on his side to adapt to whatever changes Klopp might deem fit.
There is only one year remaining on his contract so this summer will be realistically Fulham's last chance to cash in especially so, as if looks likely, they get relegated.

So depending on the competition e.g. spuds, he might be available for a reasonable fee.
No doubt Spurs maybe in the hunt for him too along with Utd as both were heavily linked along with us before. Spurs are near to where he lives and if i remember correctly from his interviews he indicated a desire to stay close to family.
 

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No doubt Spurs maybe in the hunt for him too along with Utd as both were heavily linked along with us before. Spurs are near to where he lives and if i remember correctly from his interviews he indicated a desire to stay close to family.
That was back before we got Robbo - I think he was 16 at the time, and felt he wasn't ready to be living away from home yet. (Completely understandable.) Probably not the same situation at this point, he'd be 19 by the time he left in the summer, so certainly more likely to be ready to leave the nest.

Lifelong Liverpool fan, you'd have to imagine if we were in the mix and giving him a reasonable offer then we'd be likeliest. That said, think it'd come down to opportunity and playing time for him.
 

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Not sure I've ever seen Jović play any other role than centre forward. Sometimes he'd play in 4-4-2 but that was in Crvena Zvezda and I've never seen him play on flanks.

All that said, he said himself that he didn't favour a move to Premier League and that a move to Spain was more appealing to him. If he's smart, he'll wait for Lewandowski's departure and link up with Kovač again. Meanwhile, I don't think Klopp will move for him, he's likely to give a chance to Brewster who's Liverpool's youth product and who's more versatile, too.
 

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Not sure I've ever seen Jović play any other role than centre forward. Sometimes he'd play in 4-4-2 but that was in Crvena Zvezda and I've never seen him play on flanks.

All that said, he said himself that he didn't favour a move to Premier League and that a move to Spain was more appealing to him. If he's smart, he'll wait for Lewandowski's departure and link up with Kovač again. Meanwhile, I don't think Klopp will move for him, he's likely to give a chance to Brewster who's Liverpool's youth product and who's more versatile, too.
Is Kovac going to be around long enough ? Apparently, the players were not to happy with his tactics against Liverpool. There were some rumours of discontent earlier in the season too.
 

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Not sure I've ever seen Jović play any other role than centre forward. Sometimes he'd play in 4-4-2 but that was in Crvena Zvezda and I've never seen him play on flanks.

All that said, he said himself that he didn't favour a move to Premier League and that a move to Spain was more appealing to him. If he's smart, he'll wait for Lewandowski's departure and link up with Kovač again. Meanwhile, I don't think Klopp will move for him, he's likely to give a chance to Brewster who's Liverpool's youth product and who's more versatile, too.
Ings left. Solanke left. Sturridge will leave. Origi will be looking for a move for the third consecutive transfer window. No way will Brewster - who never played for the first team on competitive level and was out injured for one year - be our only backup CF.

Klopp said in summer 2017 that he won’t sell Sturridge because it would be too expensive to replace him. This summer he will be forced to replace him and money shouldn’t be a problem now.
 

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Is Kovac going to be around long enough ? Apparently, the players were not to happy with his tactics against Liverpool. There were some rumours of discontent earlier in the season too.
He'll win the title with Bayern this season with a strong but an ageing squad. They have to cut him some slack if they are to be perceived as a club with clear strategy.

Ings left. Solanke left. Sturridge will leave. Origi will be looking for a move for the third consecutive transfer window. No way will Brewster - who never played for the first team on competitive level and was out injured for one year - be our only backup CF.

Klopp said in summer 2017 that he won’t sell Sturridge because it would be too expensive to replace him. This summer he will be forced to replace him and money shouldn’t be a problem now.
I said on multiple occasions that my belief is that Klopp will get a forward of some sort, with Brewster being another option, maybe even for wide positions. Jović, as much as I admire his talent and genuinely wish him all the best in the world (aside from when he play against Liverpool), doesn't strike me as Klopp's type of player, mainly because he's not the versatile type. Then again, Aguero isn't either and I doubt Klopp wouldn't want him but perhaps I'm just used to Firmino's boundless movement and teamwork, something that not many strikers possess today. Jović doesn't and I doubt he'd move to a club where he would sit on the bench and I doubt Klopp would pay 50 million euros for a kid who would block another kid's path to first team.
 
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No-one knows if Adam Lewis is ready (or Camacho for that matter) except Klopp and his coaches. All we know is that he is highly rated, has just been given a new contract, and there is no real link to any new full-back knocking about. We also know that Klopp and the club won’t spend money on players to put in the way of promising youngsters.

I wonder if Milner will be cajoled into another year (I know Father Time, but he is one of the fittest lads in the squad) to give Lewis a more gentle pathway, and not leave us so reliant on an unproven youngster. That would be ideal, although it’s understandable if Leeds do come up he might want to go. He might also want another season challenging titles and European Cups.

Personally I think we’ll be a little frustrated at what little business we end up doing. I think the only absolute certainties are a back up keeper and a creative midfielder. As much as we might feel we need forwards, full backs, Centre backs etc, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that Klopp will want to do much.

Personally, I would love to see another centre back to replace Matip and Lovren, but Klopp might be happy with the quality, and Matip has certainly done well over the last few months, both in terms of performance and avoiding injury.

I’d also love to see another forward at the level of the first choice three, but Klopp might look at Origi’s encouraging performances and the return of Brewster, and conclude that we’re fine.
Origi is nowhere near good enough and Brewster is nowhere near developed enough yet to be relied upon as a backup forward. The amount of game time Sturridge has been given under Klopp even though he has been poor by his own standards suggests we need a key striker. Solanke was bought for this reason also. We need a true striker in my view that can bring something slightly different to Firmino. Werner is high on my list just because of his work rate.
 

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Origi is nowhere near good enough and Brewster is nowhere near developed enough yet to be relied upon as a backup forward. The amount of game time Sturridge has been given under Klopp even though he has been poor by his own standards suggests we need a key striker. Solanke was bought for this reason also. We need a true striker in my view that can bring something slightly different to Firmino. Werner is high on my list just because of his work rate.
I refer you back to the first thing I said about Lewis. Klopp and his staff are the only ones who know who’s ready. Brewster was given first team assurances and the club rate him very highly. Would not be in the least bit surprised if he effectively replaces Sturridge.
 

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Ok,but you know what i was getting at.We had that player and after selling him we improved our defense which would now make that type of play hugely successful in our current squad.

I think i've just reiterated what you origionally said. lol
Mane > Coutinho

Can’t have both on pitch at same time
 

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Jović, as much as I admire his talent and genuinely wish him all the best in the world (aside from when he play against Liverpool), doesn't strike me as Klopp's type of player, mainly because he's not the versatile type. Then again, Aguero isn't either and I doubt Klopp wouldn't want him but perhaps I'm just used to Firmino's boundless movement and teamwork, something that not many strikers possess today. Jović doesn't and I doubt he'd move to a club where he would sit on the bench and I doubt Klopp would pay 50 million euros for a kid who would block another kid's path to first team.
Versatility is a nice thing but i don't think it is a main criteria for a Klopp type of player. Jovic is fast enough to play also on the wing and according to Transfermarkt he can play winger. More importantly - he has the right intensity in his game, he is mobile and he has the work rate to play under Klopp.

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Mané Firmino Salah

Why would he sit on bench?
 

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Versatility is a nice thing but i don't think it is a main criteria for a Klopp type of player. Jovic is fast enough to play also on the wing and according to Transfermarkt he can play winger. More importantly - he has the right intensity in his game, he is mobile and he has the work rate to play under Klopp.

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Why would he sit on bench?
Agreed... but I don't know if I have ever seen Jovic play on the wing. But again... why would you play him on the wing? He is prolific as a striker and Mane, Firmino, Salah AND Brewster are all versatile enough to accommodate him. So I don't think he will be blocking anyone.

I don't think I've seen Lewandowski play any position except as a striker as well and that is who Jovic is frequently compared to by the media. Moving Firmino a bit deeper would also help with the lack of creativity and goals from our midfield. But I still think we need someone who can also score from outside the box.
 

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As a back up, or even Plan B, Mitrovic is versatile and puts in a shift. He isnt up to the standard of the front 3 but is a decent alternative. He wont stay at Fulham if they go down. He is an upgrade on Sturridge in his current lazy version and Origi who flatters to deceive at times.
 
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It's about time. If you dont have the means to bend the rules and spend whatever you like, then it takes time to catch up. And requires trade offs. You cant simply buy every player you want in every position.



Who said anything about not backing it up with improvements? Being able to play the same kind of football when Trent or Robertson arent available, or being able to rest Salah, Mane or Bobby would be a significant improvement. Just imagine having a player like Salah run at you for 65 minutes and Mane for the last 30?



Not necessarily. GK and CB were our two longest standing weaknesses and the two candidates we signed were excellent candidates in a market of not much quality. We are much stronger in our other positions in the first 11. In addition, previous heavy spending has come from the sale of an important player, or from focusing the money on just a couple f players. without any additional monies means that any decision to spend equally big this season, will mean we cant add depth where it is really needed - up front and at full back. When we have midfielders missing, our quality doesnt drop off anywhere near as much as it does when our full backs or forwards are missing.



No one has said anything about not being able to improve the squad. People are disagreeing over your view that we need to bin the midfield, and spend big doing so at the expense of other parts of the squad.
Where was the money coming from for Fekir then? Almost signed so we clearly could afford him. And all before financial details of previous year came out. We could earn more this season than last barring Coutinho money if we actually win the league or Champions league. But even if not we will still be earning big due to new sponsorship deals and bigger tv rights and
I refer you back to the first thing I said about Lewis. Klopp and his staff are the only ones who know who’s ready. Brewster was given first team assurances and the club rate him very highly. Would not be in the least bit surprised if he effectively replaces Sturridge.
Woodburn got those assurances also pal so they are not worth the dodgy rumour they are placed on. Klopp has time and time again given young players time in the first team but they rarely get game time needed to develop. Perhaps it is a mental thing klopp tries to improve in them and being around the first team and learning helps that side of things.

But if you think Brewster is good enough to replace the gap Sturridge leaves then you are on something. Sturridge even as poor as he is nowadays is still light years ahead of Brewster in terms of skill ability power and football intelligence. And the point of replacing Sturridge is to get a player of the ability or better than Sturridge showed when Suarez was here.

Brewster clearly has a future and maybe kept among the first team but he will not be relied upon and used regular. Trent only got his break due to injury of Clyne and no alternative so do not make the mistake of believing it is easy to break into the first team for any youth player nowadays.It is why Salah was bought and we did not trust in Wilson or Kent. It is why Ox was bought instead of trusting in Woodburn. It is why Fabinho was bought instead of trusting in Grujic.

The better we become as a side the less likely it is a youth prospect breaks through because the call for more and more world class players becomes 10 fold.

Loaning out to develop them is the only way and if they show good enough form to be a player we would look at if not already on our books then they will get their chance but if stay among our first team they would have to show something special in training to warrant starting and that is very unlikely.
 

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Replacing Sturridge is replacing someone who's on the bench so no need for a top top player to replace him and he's hardly light years ahead of Brewster unless you're talking age.
 

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Woodburn got those assurances also pal so they are not worth the dodgy rumour they are placed on.
But different. Brewster was on the point of leaving, before he signed a new contract off the back of those assurances. Klopp has made a point of making sure he is considered a first team player whenever the subject comes up.

But if you think Brewster is good enough to replace the gap Sturridge leaves then you are on something.
Two things.
1) My point was not that he is or isn’t good enough, but that these definitive statements on who is or isn’t ready are worthless. Klopp is the judge of that, and if he thinks he is ready he will be trusted. Your opinion, and mine, is based on very little. We’ve seen little of him play, we don’t really know what he is capable of.

My gut feeling is that he will make his debut before the end of the season, and if not he’ll play a big part in pre-season.

2) it would be a good idea to be a bit more respectful of other posters. Saying people with a different opinion to you are ‘on sonething’ is not welcome. Especially sonething as subjective as football players.
 
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Think the big question is will we bring in one or two attacking minded (#8, AM, Winger, CF...) players in the summer? The current form of Lallana and Origi and the trust they receive could suggest that we might only bring in one player for the final third of the pitch.

On the other hand - if they can keep their form until the end of the season we might get up to 45m for them combined.
 

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Think the big question is will we bring in one or two attacking minded (#8, AM, Winger, CF...) players in the summer? The current form of Lallana and Origi and the trust they receive could suggest that we might only bring in one player for the final third of the pitch.

On the other hand - if they can keep their form until the end of the season we might get up to 45m for them combined.
I would be concerned if we only brought one in. I don't see Origi or Shakiri as long term options and we may already be faced with a re haul of our CB and midfield if Milner, Lallana are still here next season.

That's before knowing whether any youngsters can step up next year or a regular player gets an offer that sees him wanting to go.
 

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My gut feeling is that he will make his debut before the end of the season, and if not he’ll play a big part in pre-season.
I'll be stunned if Brewster gets minutes this season. In part because maybe because of the circumstances, and in part because it just seems far more of an accelerated timeline than Klopp has spoken about.
 

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I'll be stunned if Brewster gets minutes this season. In part because maybe because of the circumstances, and in part because it just seems far more of an accelerated timeline than Klopp has spoken about.
Last game of the season, we're four points clear at the top, cruising 5-0 at home to a Wolves side already on the beach... it could happen ;)
 

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I would be concerned if we only brought one in. I don't see Origi or Shakiri as long term options and we may already be faced with a re haul of our CB and midfield if Milner, Lallana are still here next season.

That's before knowing whether any youngsters can step up next year or a regular player gets an offer that sees him wanting to go.
Agree with you. Sell Lallana and Origi for combined +₤40m and bring in Brandt (release clause ₤20m) and Jovic for example for around ₤70m combined and we'll have an attack that can win all 4 trophies in a season.
 

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Versatility is a nice thing but i don't think it is a main criteria for a Klopp type of player. Jovic is fast enough to play also on the wing and according to Transfermarkt he can play winger. More importantly - he has the right intensity in his game, he is mobile and he has the work rate to play under Klopp.

--------Jovic--------
Mané Firmino Salah

Why would he sit on bench?
Because of Keita and Oxlade-Chamberlain? Klopp will give them every chance to prove their fitness and quality. After all, he's invested about 90 million pounds in them in transfer fees alone.