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Gomez was class alongside VVD the start of the season and undroppable,he was keeping Lovren and Matip out of the team,if it wasn't for fracturing his leg the end of last year,he'd probably still be playing at CB and improved leaps and bounds by now.I'd imagine if a new CB is brought in,then he's only going to be a back up,as i doubt moving Gomez to LB or RB from now on,will be where they want to play him and stunt his growth in the CB position.

Sessegnon not good enough because he hasn't set the world alight at Fulham doesn't mean anything??at 16/17yo he was playing full on first team football in the championship and assissting/scoring for fun,so he's game hardened,he's now had premiership experience under his belt (which woodburn,wilson and kent don't have) and can play multiple positions and still only 18yo,this is just the type of player Klopp would love to coach and improve,especially if the price was right.

You say Brewster isn't good enough to cover Sturridge (who's hardly used) yet throwing in Lewis at LB for Moreno is ok cos he's not playing? tbh i think giving Brewster 10-15mins of game time or early round FA/League cup games,to rest any of the front 3 next season,would be hugely benifitial to him and less of a risk,than having to throw in a novice youngster at full back,who's probably in a more important position,with the way we play,so that doesn't make much sense.

Yeah world class players were bought for GK/CB positions this summer but that doesn't mean it's going to happen for every position,you only need to read reports the past few days,where Klopp has supposedly said they won't be blowing money like we did last summer,we have injured players coming back (Lovren,Brewster,AOC) who he obviously has plans for,so you can tell he's only going to buy a hand full of players to improve the quality and depth to the squad,unless he has one worldie up his sleeve thats goning under the radar.

I gotta be honest but your replies are pretty insulting,chatting like your the billy big bollox of the football team building world,like we are all dumb and don't know how football team building works,all this rubbish about replacing good players with great players and replacing them with world class players to improve our squad is the way to do it and the only way to do it.Thats all well and good if your Man City or Real Madrid,spending huge sums to make a team of galactico's,but i guess from everything i've read from you,you don't have a clue about how LFC is being run or how Klopp builds a team,have you not been taking note the past 3 summers?
I have been taking note lad thank you and if we do not win anything this season will we just put it down to ManCity being better and try harder or actually find a reason why they are better? Liverpool are far from the finished article if we had not got Alisson or Van Dijk do you see us as good this season as we have been? Answer is No obviously.

So if the signing of 2 players that are absolute world class can do that then what more advertisement for a few more signings of that calibre in other positions do you need? Keep hearing we are not ManCity we are not Manu from a lot of our fans.

I know we are not those teams i am a lifelong Liverpool fan and we are arguably 3 signings away from having a team as good if not better than ManCity's and all without breaking FFP.

Why would you just sign 2 of the biggest signings ever at the club then just halt that method when it has clearly worked. Our front 3 is one if the most dangerous in Europe but an injury to Salah or Mane and we are not as dangerous. Yes we can cope due to Shaq and Origi. But surely having a Werner or a Jota or a Gomez instead of Origi is by far and away a better plan.

The question is do we want to cope if the worse happens or do we already have the problem solved and not let it phase us? Can only be that way if you have the the quality depth true top teams have.
 

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I have been taking note lad thank you and if we do not win anything this season will we just put it down to ManCity being better and try harder or actually find a reason why they are better? Liverpool are far from the finished article if we had not got Alisson or Van Dijk do you see us as good this season as we have been? Answer is No obviously.
Dude, it might help if you didn't call people 'lad' or 'pal' all the time..... ;-)
 

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Rabiot appears to be a massive pain in the arse. Given the fact we don't need what he offers I don't know why we'd go anywhere near him.

Out of all the names loosely linked recently I'd be happy with Sessegnon, Brandt and Bergwijn and calling it a day there. 3 good young players who fill various gaps in our squad (LB option, #8, both wide positions). Loads of pace. Then there's Brewster and Chamberlain to come back into contention.

Nothing heroic, nothing overly expensive or lavish, just good business with an eye on the future and more trust in the current squad than some people in this thread appear to have. Could also replace Lovren with somebody younger who has a better fitness record, but the likelihood is Lovren will be in a better position to contribute next season as he won't be returning from a WC injured, so that's not a big priority for me.
Spot on. That would be a very, very good summer.

I guess in a perfect world you'd bring De Ligt in at the expense of Lovren, but given we've signaled a summer of consolidation, it doesn't seem likely.
 

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And your point about Klopp not going to replace Winjaldum or Gomez with a better player is utter nonesense. What do you think Fabinho has done to Henderson's game time for us compared to last season and he is our Captain.
Is it really though? Henderson needs to be rested more frequently than our other midfielders as he picks up niggles more frequently than he used to do before his repeated foot injuries. That was always going to happen who ever came in. Klopp still picks Hendo over Fabinho at the moment in key games. The midfielders are for the most part of similar quality, so he looks to rotate them - that wont be the same for CB where Gomez was pretty amazing in the first half of the season. Klopp is not going to bring in a CB to start over him (or Matip if he stays).

If Ox had not got badly injured do you not think he would of played regular making someone like Winjaldum reduced to bit part roles all season.You think if Lovren was sold and we bought a quality CB in Gomez would not be replaced as the regular if this player was showing better ability and form.
Sure, if Ox had been fit, he would have been in the rotation and we could have been resting Wijnaldum more frequently but that isnt the same as bringing someone in to replace them in the first team - it's telling that despite carrying an injury he is still being asked to play almost every game. Wijnaldum has often been playing a deeper role this season - that we wouldnt see Ox play.

There is a difference in bringing in a replacement, and bringing in an alternative option who wins his place through playing the better of the two.

For someone who likes to use logical replies you seem to not no how football works. You do not build a better squad by only selling players you never used anyway at some point you have to swap good with great and then great with world class. If Moreno is sold and replaced by Lewis is that a bad or good decision? Moreno was of no use anyway so even Lewis can offer the same.
There is no one way to build a squad, but if the primary issue with your squad is that you lack quality in depth, then simply shuffling around your better players for great ones does not address that issue. You have simply increased the strength of the first 11. When they are out injured or suspended, you then have problems. The whole point in building a quality squad is that you have alternatives that you are willing to play and wont lead to a drop off in quality.

As it stands, we have Milner as the closest option for our full backs (and you want to sell), or Gomez, who most of us want to see playing only as CB. None of our back up options up front offer the quality our front 3 posess and so there is a noticeble difference if one isnt available.

If Lallana is replaced with someone who is so good he demands first team football regularly then the likes of Winjaldum or Milner would be on our bench more thus strengthening our depth by making our bench a far better quality one.
Well, no because Wijnaldum and Milner are preferred ahead of Lallana and can play a different role to him. Ox will usually take Lallana's spot in the team when fit. Sure, a player coming into the squad can push an exisiting first teamer to the bench if they perform well enough - but there is a world of difference between bringing in someone who is a recognised top quality player to start from day one, and one who is coming in to add to the squad. The latter can always become the former, the same cant often be said for the former.

You state that losing 5 or 6 players to only get 2 or 3 top quality players weakens our depth. But how does it? Out of our 25 man squad that is listed how many of them play regular?
I didnt say it weakens our depth. I said it fails to address our problem caused by already not having depth in quality. However, if you are getting rid of the likes of Milner then it probably does weaken the depth because you are not simply proposing we move out players who get no playing time - but those who play most of our games also.

Isnt the point of strengthening the squad that you are comfortable in giving a wider number of players, playing time? In addition if a key player gets a serious injury you have options to step in and minimise the damage - what happens this season if Trent, Robertson, Mane, Bobby or Mo are out for a year?

I've already pointed out our squad numbers. We have a 29 man squad. 6 youngsters and 2 back up keepers who have no league games between them. Only 18 players have played 9 or more league games - 4 of those are CBs because of injuries to Gomez. Aside from the keeper, that means we have so far used only 13 players regularly this season in the other positions.

We're losing one of those 18 on a free. (Worth pointing out though, that many of those performances include coming on for a couple of minutes in the game - rather than being trusted to come on earlier or start games. )

These players have also been the first choices for our cup games when available too.

When we have players like Moreno Sturridge and Origi even Lovren if Gomez is fit is reduced to bare minimum games. These are all bit part players of far less quality than our regular starters.So replacing them with first team quality or world class strengthens our squad and our bench and allows for our best players to be rested without worry of weakening the team.
Again, no one is saying we shouldnt be improving upon the quality of those players - but we have a financial limit that means we cant do all the changes you have proposed in your posts in one go and so choices have to be made on how it is done and over how long a period.
 

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I have been taking note lad thank you and if we do not win anything this season will we just put it down to ManCity being better and try harder or actually find a reason why they are better? Liverpool are far from the finished article if we had not got Alisson or Van Dijk do you see us as good this season as we have been? Answer is No obviously.

So if the signing of 2 players that are absolute world class can do that then what more advertisement for a few more signings of that calibre in other positions do you need? Keep hearing we are not ManCity we are not Manu from a lot of our fans.

I know we are not those teams i am a lifelong Liverpool fan and we are arguably 3 signings away from having a team as good if not better than ManCity's and all without breaking FFP.

Why would you just sign 2 of the biggest signings ever at the club then just halt that method when it has clearly worked. Our front 3 is one if the most dangerous in Europe but an injury to Salah or Mane and we are not as dangerous. Yes we can cope due to Shaq and Origi. But surely having a Werner or a Jota or a Gomez instead of Origi is by far and away a better plan.

The question is do we want to cope if the worse happens or do we already have the problem solved and not let it phase us? Can only be that way if you have the the quality depth true top teams have.
We already have a team as good as City's, what we lack is a squad with their depth of quality.
 

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Robertson has gone from being an attacking full back/wing back who cant defend to being arguably the best left back in Europe, if not the world within the space of 12-18 months.
It was never a credible criticism of him that he couldn't defend though. The mythology that surrounds him should not be used to justify thinking anyone else who cannot defend can be taught to be a CL level FB.
 

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We already have a team as good as City's, what we lack is a squad with their depth of quality.
That is generally correct, although the fact that this season we weren't able to beat them, and very nearly lost both matches, suggests our best 11 could be improved.

We also can't bridge that gap with City's depth of quality by filling out our squad with unproven youngsters, as some are advocating.

One could argue that our full backs need to be more consistent, at least in their offensively deliveries, and need genuine rotation. Also that we need a more reliable partner for VVD who can stay fit, that we need a top quality creative playmaker and - maybe most controversially - we would be better (certainly at times) with a more clinical 9 than Bobby (who has had a mixed season).

There has to be change this summer to kick on, whether or not we win the PL, CL or both.

Currently we have a 20 man outfield squad (including Oxlade, excluding Clyne), but these are all senior players.

Letting the likes of Clyne, Moreno, Sturridge, Lallana and Origi leave, possibly a centre back and Milner too, necessitates some quality signings as well as promoting youth.
 
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Gomez was class alongside VVD the start of the season and undroppable,he was keeping Lovren and Matip out of the team,if it wasn't for fracturing his leg the end of last year,he'd probably still be playing at CB and improved leaps and bounds by now.I'd imagine if a new CB is brought in,then he's only going to be a back up,as i doubt moving Gomez to LB or RB from now on,will be where they want to play him and stunt his growth in the CB position.

Sessegnon not good enough because he hasn't set the world alight at Fulham doesn't mean anything??at 16/17yo he was playing full on first team football in the championship and assissting/scoring for fun,so he's game hardened,he's now had premiership experience under his belt (which woodburn,wilson and kent don't have) and can play multiple positions and still only 18yo,this is just the type of player Klopp would love to coach and improve,especially if the price was right.

You say Brewster isn't good enough to cover Sturridge (who's hardly used) yet throwing in Lewis at LB for Moreno is ok cos he's not playing? tbh i think giving Brewster 10-15mins of game time or early round FA/League cup games,to rest any of the front 3 next season,would be hugely benifitial to him and less of a risk,than having to throw in a novice youngster at full back,who's probably in a more important position,with the way we play,so that doesn't make much sense.

Yeah world class players were bought for GK/CB positions this summer but that doesn't mean it's going to happen for every position,you only need to read reports the past few days,where Klopp has supposedly said they won't be blowing money like we did last summer,we have injured players coming back (Lovren,Brewster,AOC) who he obviously has plans for,so you can tell he's only going to buy a hand full of players to improve the quality and depth to the squad,unless he has one worldie up his sleeve thats goning under the radar.

I gotta be honest but your replies are pretty insulting,chatting like your the billy big bollox of the football team building world,like we are all dumb and don't know how football team building works,all this rubbish about replacing good players with great players and replacing them with world class players to improve our squad is the way to do it and the only way to do it.Thats all well and good if your Man City or Real Madrid,spending huge sums to make a team of galactico's,but i guess from everything i've read from you,you don't have a clue about how LFC is being run or how Klopp builds a team,have you not been taking note the past 3 summers?
You say Sturridge is hardly used yet who comes in in games that are 0-0 with 20 mins to go and we need to change something? You think Brewster is ready to step into our squad and be brought on to save games and change the outcome? This is what buying a far better striker than Sturridge would do besides the obvious allowing players like Salah Mane or Firmino to be rested more.

You think Brewster will be able to start against Chelsea in a crucial league game because we had a crucial Champions league game 3 days earlier? These are the scenario's that warrant another top striker or 2 in our squad.

Of course Brewster could still get 10 mins end of games we are comfortable in and start odd cup game why is that any different to previous youth players allowed to stay in our first team for experience.
 

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If we lack their depth of quality then we do not have a team as good as there's do we? A team is 25 men not just 11 players.
No, a team is 11 players. A first team is the 11 players you try to field the most regularly. those sitting on the bench and can come on to play are your reserves (and with the team form the matchday squad). The lists of players listed with the competition authorites and/or eligible to play in the event are your squad.
 

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That is generally correct, although the fact that this season we weren't able to beat them, and very nearly lost both matches, suggests our best 11 could be improved.
I’m all for continual improvement (which also happens on the training pitch rather as well as the transfer market).

But I think it’s harsh to point to our games against them as evidence they have a better eleven. The Anfield game was a stalemate. At the Emptihad it was on a knife edge. They weren’t decisively the better team, and it was the run of the ball that got them three points. I still don’t know how that ball got cleared off the line, and it was unlucky that Mane’s shot bounced out off the line while Sane’s bounced in. And then of course, Kompany shouldn’t have even been on the pitch for the last hour...

Football matches are not exercises in scientific objectivism. You don’t get the same result running the same match over and over (as I know from my footy manager days). On the day, any team can beat any other team. There is a such thing as form and fitness, and old fashioned luck comes into it too. Because they beat us in a game that doesn’t mean they are conclusively better than us, just like we weren’t better than them because we beat them three games out of four last year.

Looking at the sides, I think we are very evenly matched. I wouldn’t take their keeper over ours. I prefer our central defence and I think we have better full backs. I would take Fabinho over Fernandinho (mostly just because he is getting on now) and I wouldn’t swap our forward three for theirs.

I’d make room for the creativity they have in central midfield, but that’s about it.

The difference between us is the depth they can call on, especially up front.
 

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And you start off that advice by calling me Dude??????? Get a grip.
Here is some advice that I would strongly suggest you do take.

The way you are talking to people might be fine on twitter, but it won’t fly here. You’re unnecessarily patronising and condescending, and if you are going to continue to be a member here you need to remember that most of what is being discussed is very subjective. People will disagree and that’s fine. It’s a discussion. Your opinion is not the only one with validity.

Sort this out please. If you continue in this vein, points and bans will follow.
 
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Here is some advice that I would strongly suggest you do take.

The way you are talking to people might be fine on twitter, but it won’t fly here. You’re unnecessarily patronising and condescending, and if you are going to continue to be a member here you need to remember that most of what is being discussed is very subjective. People will disagree and that’s fine. It’s a discussion. Your opinion is not the only one with validity.

Sort this out please. If you continue in this vein, points and bans will follow.
Unnecessarily patronising when the guy is advising me to not call people pal or lad and starting that advice off by calling me dude????
 

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Unnecessarily patronising when the guy is advising me to not call people pal or lad and starting that advice off by calling me dude????
Have a read back over your posts here, and ask yourself if you acted like this in a pub would everyone shake your hand and buy you a pint, or would you end up getting chinned?
 
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No, a team is 11 players. A first team is the 11 players you try to field the most regularly. those sitting on the bench and can come on to play are your reserves (and with the team form the matchday squad). The lists of players listed with the competition authorites and/or eligible to play in the event are your squad.
They are all part of a team. When do you hear anyone say what squad do you support? Liverpool is the team we all support on here and all players Liverpool are part of that team. Squad is just another word for team and is only really used when trying to bring in to conversation the fringe players but team is everyone.

You see it used for both as starting 11 when news or reporters are referring to the team/squad a manager has picked. Lets have a look at the teams is constant on sky sports. But some other news outlets may use the word match day squad. Both are used so discounting one as wrong is not right
Have a read back over your posts here, and ask yourself if you acted like this in a pub would everyone shake your hand and buy you a pint, or would you end up getting chinned?
Why do i need everyone to shake my hand and buy me a pint? I ain't on here to get unwarranted praise my opinion may be wrong to some and if it is then that is up to them but as for my opinion getting me chinned i think you must go to the wrong pubs if an opinion can get you hurt.
 

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They are all part of a team. When do you hear anyone say what squad do you support? Liverpool is the team we all support on here and all players Liverpool are part of that team. Squad is just another word for team and is only really used when trying to bring in to conversation the fringe players but team is everyone.

You see it used for both as starting 11 when news or reporters are referring to the team/squad a manager has picked. Lets have a look at the teams is constant on sky sports. But some other news outlets may use the word match day squad. Both are used so discounting one as wrong is not right
that really isnt the most common way of defining a team. If that is how you are using the definition, then you really need to be more specific in your posts so that others understand your point better.
 

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He did for Fiorentina and Roma. If he doesn't want to do it here no problem - Shaqiri would be happy to take that spot:wave:
Nope. It was also mainly 4-3-3 at those clubs, maybe 3 at the back sometimes at Fiorentina, while he also played a fair bit centrally for both sides. Not only that, but that's also a long time ago in footballing time. He has evolved more closer to the goal, almost doubling his numbers since joining us. Playing as a winger in a double-six formation, you're first and foremost part of the midfield (with greater defensive responsibilities, even if Mane does more on the opposite side), not the attack where he is best. Plus, that's also on the side where Trent is a starter now and where he can struggle defensively of course as he's still a kid. Shaqiri is nowhere near the level to ever become a starter here, he will probably continue to battle for minutes off the bench for another season. Haven't seen enough of Jovic, though I know Eintracht are one of the better counter attacking sides out there with a dangerous trio. Striker (or #10 for that matter, basically Bobby who does both) is obviously a sensitive position for Klopp, he will not pick anyone there because that's exactly where a lot of stuff begins with his principal game plan and he is not ready to carry any passengers there, at least in terms of a starting XI player.


On Griezmann... I think if he's looking for a way out of Atletico, he will be aiming something more than us, both in terms of trophies and money. PSG are apparently sniffing and Balague said that it's most probably Griezmann's agents who are leaking stuff to see if there's a way out. Atletico will defend themselves with a buyout clause. Barca will not return for him. I like the player, but I think we missed our chance with him when he was leaving Sociedad and we were stuck trying to make a deal for Sanchez. Thought back then that Griezmann was a great "alternative" to continue without Suarez, when we almost won the title (having at least some power in negotiations) and perhaps could lure him away from Spain and such a hardworking side like Atletico (where he naturally took some time to adjust, but it didn't take long). I don't think we'll spend that much and I also think we very much want to stay within this current wage structure, so no superstars.
 

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Why do i need everyone to shake my hand and buy me a pint? I ain't on here to get unwarranted praise my opinion may be wrong to some and if it is then that is up to them but as for my opinion getting me chinned i think you must go to the wrong pubs if an opinion can get you hurt.
This isn’t a discussion. I’m telling you to address your attitude. The next time you act in a condescending manner to someone you’ll get a point. And then a two day ban. And then a week. And so on.

Hopefully that’s clear.
 

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Nope. It was also mainly 4-3-3 at those clubs, maybe 3 at the back sometimes at Fiorentina, while he also played a fair bit centrally for both sides. Not only that, but that's also a long time ago in footballing time. He has evolved more closer to the goal, almost doubling his numbers since joining us. Playing as a winger in a double-six formation, you're first and foremost part of the midfield (with greater defensive responsibilities, even if Mane does more on the opposite side), not the attack where he is best. Plus, that's also on the side where Trent is a starter now and where he can struggle defensively of course as he's still a kid. Shaqiri is nowhere near the level to ever become a starter here, he will probably continue to battle for minutes off the bench for another season. Haven't seen enough of Jovic, though I know Eintracht are one of the better counter attacking sides out there with a dangerous trio. Striker (or #10 for that matter, basically Bobby who does both) is obviously a sensitive position for Klopp, he will not pick anyone there because that's exactly where a lot of stuff begins with his principal game plan and he is not ready to carry any passengers there, at least in terms of a starting XI player.


On Griezmann... I think if he's looking for a way out of Atletico, he will be aiming something more than us, both in terms of trophies and money. PSG are apparently sniffing and Balague said that it's most probably Griezmann's agents who are leaking stuff to see if there's a way out. Atletico will defend themselves with a buyout clause. Barca will not return for him. I like the player, but I think we missed our chance with him when he was leaving Sociedad and we were stuck trying to make a deal for Sanchez. Thought back then that Griezmann was a great "alternative" to continue without Suarez, when we almost won the title (having at least some power in negotiations) and perhaps could lure him away from Spain and such a hardworking side like Atletico (where he naturally took some time to adjust, but it didn't take long). I don't think we'll spend that much and I also think we very much want to stay within this current wage structure, so no superstars.
Griezemann is also being linked with Utd again.
 

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Sturridge and Moreno out on free transfers.

Sell Lallana and Origi combined for minimum £40m
Bring in Julian Brandt (£20m) and Luka Jovic (£45-55m) to complete our attack and attacking midfield.

If Mignolet wants out (sell for +£8m) replace him with an experienced backup GK £5-10m

If Lovren wants out we could get +£20m for him. Replace him with a CB for up to £35m. TBH i'd prefer keeping him and Matip.

Fullback situation
Keep Milner to give Robertson and TAA a rest if needed in imortant games. Adam Lewis and Ki-Jana Hoever (i prefer him to Camacho) for cup games against non PL teams.

That's £120m (£85m without a new CB) for new signings
and at least £88m (£68m if Lovren stays) in sales.
You're welcome Jürgen Klopp

Like in every transfer window we will also sell a few of the youngsters. Maybe Ejaria, Kent, Adekanye, Ojo. Not sure what's the plan with them.
 

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I’m all for continual improvement (which also happens on the training pitch rather as well as the transfer market).

But I think it’s harsh to point to our games against them as evidence they have a better eleven. The Anfield game was a stalemate. At the Emptihad it was on a knife edge. They weren’t decisively the better team, and it was the run of the ball that got them three points. I still don’t know how that ball got cleared off the line, and it was unlucky that Mane’s shot bounced out off the line while Sane’s bounced in. And then of course, Kompany shouldn’t have even been on the pitch for the last hour...

Football matches are not exercises in scientific objectivism. You don’t get the same result running the same match over and over (as I know from my footy manager days). On the day, any team can beat any other team. There is a such thing as form and fitness, and old fashioned luck comes into it too. Because they beat us in a game that doesn’t mean they are conclusively better than us, just like we weren’t better than them because we beat them three games out of four last year.

Looking at the sides, I think we are very evenly matched. I wouldn’t take their keeper over ours. I prefer our central defence and I think we have better full backs. I would take Fabinho over Fernandinho (mostly just because he is getting on now) and I wouldn’t swap our forward three for theirs.

I’d make room for the creativity they have in central midfield, but that’s about it.

The difference between us is the depth they can call on, especially up front.
In respect of our 'best 11', if there is such a thing, I see central defence as a weakness because all three bar VVD are injury prone. I don't yet view Gomez as VVD's full time partner, because Gomez hasn't shown that he can be relied upon to be fit enough for enough of a season for that to be the case.

I feel we lack a creative midfielder of the 'Silva' type (useful in deadlocked matches against top sides and in unlocking bus parkers), and I do think in some of those matches a proper 9 would be better than Bobby.

When I talk about improvements, and point out flaws (or areas for improvement), it emanates not from an unrealistic video game derived idea of perfection, nor fantasy land spending expectations.

It comes from a recognition that as good as this season has been in terms of results, we've been far from convincing on many occasions.

It comes from a desire to see the club spend what it can, and should, given its financial position, not for the sake of it but because money spent, and spent well (which we now have the confidence it would be), would improve our competitiveness.

It comes for a desire to see the club continuously improve such that we move from an era of revolution into evolution.

Our problem just now is that several players (Sturridge, Origi, Moreno, Clyne and arguably Lallana and Shaqiri), aren't good enough in comparison to others, so they just don't play enough.

Given that our senior outfield squad is 21 players including Clyne, it's not like we have a huge senior squad that can be trimmed without replacements.

If five or six players leave, we will have to sign 3 or 4 quality players if we want our squad to be good enough and deep enough.

The only reason we've maintained our challenge this season despite the above, is because we've had minimal injuries.

A long term injury to Bobby, Mo, Mane, VVD, Robertson or Gini, or a few of them, would have laid bare the lack of quality in the group of players who will be leaving.

We're in a great place to do what needs to be done, we just need to ensure we don't navel gaze whatever we achieve, or don't.
 

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I’ve snipped your post, some of which I agree with, and some I don’t, because I want to focus on this.

It comes from a desire to see the club spend what it can, and should, given its financial position, not for the sake of it but because money spent, and spent well (which we now have the confidence it would be), would improve our competitiveness.
With the best will in the world I just don’t understand how you can still be banging this drum.

For the last three years, under Edwards and Klopp, the club have operated a transfer policy based on refusing to compromise on number one targets, and only buying when absolutely necessary. This has allowed us go big on key players when we have needed to.

This is the strategy that has put us back on the map in Europe and challenging for the league title.

Why would the club change tack now? What ever you think about the transfer policy, surely you’d have to accept that it’s objectively working? We’re exactly where we want to be.
 

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You say Sturridge is hardly used yet who comes in in games that are 0-0 with 20 mins to go and we need to change something? You think Brewster is ready to step into our squad and be brought on to save games and change the outcome? This is what buying a far better striker than Sturridge would do besides the obvious allowing players like Salah Mane or Firmino to be rested more.

You think Brewster will be able to start against Chelsea in a crucial league game because we had a crucial Champions league game 3 days earlier? These are the scenario's that warrant another top striker or 2 in our squad.

Of course Brewster could still get 10 mins end of games we are comfortable in and start odd cup game why is that any different to previous youth players allowed to stay in our first team for experience.

I don't think Brewster is 100% ready to fill in for our front 3 and start games straight away next season,but i never said he'd be our only option to cover Sturridge when he leaves in the summer either,although i wouldn't be suprised if Klopp started to use Brewster as a Sturridge replacement,the kid needs game time,he can play out wide and forward plus has speed and finishing ability,he's of more use to us than an experienced Sturridge,who's hardly used and when called upon,doesn't really fit into our style of play or change the game and is pretty static.

I was just comparing the situation you said about using Adam Lewis at LB to cover Moreno when he leaves.I'd be more comfortable using Brewster in the last 10-15mins of a game in the Mane/Salah role,even if we were still 0-0 against a Chelsea type side,than i would be using Lewis at LB atm,but IF Klopp decided that he'd use Brewster and Lewis as those types of options,then who am i to say he's wrong,obviously he'd be the one on the training ground coaching them and seeing how good they are on a daily basis,to give them game time and bring more youth through the ranks.
 

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I’ve snipped your post, some of which I agree with, and some I don’t, because I want to focus on this.



With the best will in the world I just don’t understand how you can still be banging this drum.

For the last three years, under Edwards and Klopp, the club have operated a transfer policy based on refusing to compromise on number one targets, and only buying when absolutely necessary. This has allowed us go big on key players when we have needed to.

This is the strategy that has put us back on the map in Europe and challenging for the league title.

Why would the club change tack now? What ever you think about the transfer policy, surely you’d have to accept that it’s objectively working? We’re exactly where we want to be.
I'm not talking about changing tack, I'm talking about more of the same at a net spend commensurate with the club's financial standing.

In short, things would be better still if we did more. I don't buy that there isn't more that can be done to improve things, that there aren't players who fit the bill.

There are players out there who would improve the squad beyond those being replaced and those currently at the club.

Ultimately I believe there are spending constraints, you don't.

But £85m net on a £1billion turnover since 2015 is indicative. I fear 2018 wasn't actually an averaging up of the break even under Klopp to the lower end of acceptable levels of £30m a season, but was in fact a high point from which we may well start to average down again.

Ultimately I think that Klopp's ability to get more out of the net spend than other's would, is a reason to increase that net spend and yield a medium term trophy dividend. But I believe FSG prefer an immediate financial dividend.