Who would you buy?

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Sky Sports running a story that centre back Manolas of Roma has a release clause of 30 million. Anyone know much about him and would he be worth a look for Liverpool
 

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I'm not talking about changing tack, I'm talking about more of the same at a net spend commensurate with the club's financial standing.

In short, things would be better still if we did more. I don't buy that there isn't more that can be done to improve things, that there aren't players who fit the bill.

There are players out there who would improve the squad beyond those being replaced and those currently at the club.

Ultimately I believe there are spending constraints, you don't.

But £85m net on a £1billion turnover since 2015 is indicative. I fear 2018 wasn't actually an averaging up of the break even under Klopp to the lower end of acceptable levels of £30m a season, but was in fact a high point from which we may well start to average down again.

Ultimately I think that Klopp's ability to get more out of the net spend than other's would, is a reason to increase that net spend and yield a medium term trophy dividend. But I believe FSG prefer an immediate financial dividend.
Two things.

1. It is a change of tack. We have operated under a policy of spending money only when it is necessary to do so, and setting an incredibly high bar (in terms of player suitability) before spending anything. You are advocating spending money for the sake of spending money. By making the objective ‘spend more money’ you’re ignoring small matters like ‘does the manager want/need more money’ and ‘is there someone available it would be worth spending money on’.

2. I don’t understand how you can use the success of Klopp to advocate spending more money, when the man himself has said he views the market as a last resort and prefers to explore in-house solutions before going there. If you respect Klopp, respect his methods and stop going on about money :tongue:
 

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Its great to see all the big clubs going nuts already panic buying up tonnes of players..

Bayern have Pavard, Hernandez, and moving for Werner/Pepe
Barca have De Jong, moving for Jovic and De Ligt
Real with Hazard, Eriksen etc.
City with Saul Nigez

Going to be a busy summer I think, and we aren’t in the madness I doubt.
 

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Just because he's been mentioned in here a few times - Barca looking to sign Jovic for 50m euros:

I said in another thread Barca are going big this summer to plan for life without Messi, Suarez, Pique etc.

De Jong, De Ligt, Jovic, Dembele, Arthur, Umtiti, Malcom, Ter Stegen is quite the core to build from.

It will be a stark contrast to Real and the finished stars they buy.
 
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This isn’t a discussion. I’m telling you to address your attitude. The next time you act in a condescending manner to someone you’ll get a point. And then a two day ban. And then a week. And so on.

Hopefully that’s clear.
What is with your threatening attitude then? Who are you to pull me up on anything?
 
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I don't think Brewster is 100% ready to fill in for our front 3 and start games straight away next season,but i never said he'd be our only option to cover Sturridge when he leaves in the summer either,although i wouldn't be suprised if Klopp started to use Brewster as a Sturridge replacement,the kid needs game time,he can play out wide and forward plus has speed and finishing ability,he's of more use to us than an experienced Sturridge,who's hardly used and when called upon,doesn't really fit into our style of play or change the game and is pretty static.

I was just comparing the situation you said about using Adam Lewis at LB to cover Moreno when he leaves.I'd be more comfortable using Brewster in the last 10-15mins of a game in the Mane/Salah role,even if we were still 0-0 against a Chelsea type side,than i would be using Lewis at LB atm,but IF Klopp decided that he'd use Brewster and Lewis as those types of options,then who am i to say he's wrong,obviously he'd be the one on the training ground coaching them and seeing how good they are on a daily basis,to give them game time and bring more youth through the ranks.
LBs do not get brought on to change games though. Strikers and wide men do or AM types. Lewis is more than ok as substitute LB especially if we keep Milner or buy a CB who can cover LB. Striker to replace Sturridge has to be able to replace any of our front 3 and lead the line as our main attacking force. Brewster is not ready for that yet.
 

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LBs do not get brought on to change games though. Strikers and wide men do or AM types. Lewis is more than ok as substitute LB especially if we keep Milner or buy a CB who can cover LB. Striker to replace Sturridge has to be able to replace any of our front 3 and lead the line as our main attacking force. Brewster is not ready for that yet.
I take it you haven't seen much of Lewis?

He's not even close to being ready for men's football. Defensively he's like Moreno, but slower. He would get found out very quickly.
 

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I would like to see Zaha from Crystal Palace come in. He is not the finished article but with Klopps coaching I think he could be world class. Same age as Mane, proven in the PL and a versatile option.
 

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I didn't think wrongfellow was all that over the top and had some points, but the moderator suggestions were reasonable. Hopefully that works out.

The starting 11 really doesn't have the glaring weaknesses before VVD and Alisson arrivals. I think Gomez was terrific at CB at the start of the season--one of the better U22 CBs in the world. Can also provide cover at RB. Matip and Lovren don't suck, and even Fabinho can be cover as well. And then Millie for either side. All in all I say stand pat at the backline unless there are cheap young flyers--I certainly don't see a need for a major investment.

An attacking mid and cover for the forward trio, yes we could use. Ideal would be someone like Werner, but will he come to be the 4th forward (sub in the big games barring injury and otherwise a rotation starter) for quite a few years? Sebastian Haller could be someone like this too, but again has to want to have a smaller role on a elite club vs the regular starter on a solid top flight club but not one competing for trophies. I think Jovic's aspirations are higher and with Suarez's age I think it is would easier for him to see to sooner path to being a regular at Barca, or if at PSG, or Bayern. However there is some talk of Bayern going for Pepe (Lille) over these two, so maybe these Bundesilga players would be available. One final thought if none of these are viable, how about Giroud? He is good playing with other great players (see France) and on a free--if he wants to go for trophies and accept that bench role I think he would be better than Origi or Strurride, otherwise we are back with keeping Origi and then maybe seeing if Brewster can play in the EPL--but this we really have no idea if Brewster will be an EPL level player. Hopeful, flyer, but still nothing more at this point.

In terms of attacking mids to perhaps help unlock the bus (and maybe alternate forward cover too), that gets us back to Fekir or maybe a Coutinho return (he just doesn't fit with a team centered around Messi). Maybe T. Hazard. It would take this kind of player to possible add dynamism that might be a level above the selections from Gini/Fabinho/Hendo/Kieta/Milner/Ox options (even Grujic a possibility). I don't see a reason to sell Lallana unless he wants to go, he wouldn't fetch much and seem to be a fine lockeroom/ cup playing guy. So really up to him. Milner I want to resign for the cover he provides.

So overall I think it will be really hard to improve the starting 11. But getting better in back up forward or a more creative more forward midfielder in the mix, much more attainable. Back up LB possibly, but I wouldn't want to spend much on that. Just another low cost flyer there, if that.
 

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Two things.

1. It is a change of tack. We have operated under a policy of spending money only when it is necessary to do so, and setting an incredibly high bar (in terms of player suitability) before spending anything. You are advocating spending money for the sake of spending money. By making the objective ‘spend more money’ you’re ignoring small matters like ‘does the manager want/need more money’ and ‘is there someone available it would be worth spending money on’.

2. I don’t understand how you can use the success of Klopp to advocate spending more money, when the man himself has said he views the market as a last resort and prefers to explore in-house solutions before going there. If you respect Klopp, respect his methods and stop going on about money :tongue:
No I didn't advocate spending money for the sake of spending money.

I said that there are clearly things to do that can't be solved by keeping players we currently have (Moreno, Origi, Sturridge) or promoting youngsters.

Not spending money is not proof that Klopp doesn't want better options than he has - or would have if we keep players or just use youth - in certain areas, it's just proof that he is prepared to work with the available resources because he's that type of guy.

A club of LFC's size, having spent £85m net in three years, should be looking to buy 3 or 4 quality players to kick on to the next level. If it chooses not to then that's the club's choice.

Yes in time the youngsters might become as good as anyone we can buy, but if we're talking about being as competitive as we can be next season, we'd be acquiring quality players.
 

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Hi pals, that was Dave Almighty with 19th Nervous Breakdown. I think I preferred the Rolling Stones version but I'm quite literally too scared to say anything he'd disagree with, and I hear he does a lot of work for charidee.
 

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No I didn't advocate spending money for the sake of spending money.
Well, you sort of are.

You keep saying that we should spend more, and your sole justification for this is your own fag packet maths on what you think we can spend (which is undoubtedly oversimplified) based on our income.

The extension of this logic is that had we paid what players are actually worth, rather pulling off a series of absolute fucking blinders in the market and academy you’d be content. As long as we’re spending every penny on the squad you’re cool.

There is clearly a frugality about the club, but that’s not the same as tight-fistedness. They will spend big on the right player, Alisson and Van Dijk are testament to that - but it needs to becthe right player.

We’ve been through periods where the club have emptied the coffers every year to get in bodies, and it never ends well. I’m glad they are willing to hold their nerve.

Not spending money is not proof that Klopp doesn't want better options than he has - or would have if we keep players or just use youth - in certain areas, it's just proof that he is prepared to work with the available resources because he's that type of guy.
Apart from him saying, on multiple occasions, that it baffles him that the fans and media focus so much on money, that he prefers to find solutions from inside the club, and if he could spend oligarch money it wouldn’t be any fun to him.

I think we can be certain at this point how Klopp feels about things. He has absolute security in his job, he is adored by the fans, loved in the media, and there would be a revolt if the owners threatened him. If he wasn’t happy, he has the power to make that known.

We know of (I think) two situations where he personally has pulled the plug because he felt a player wasn’t right in terms of mentality or motivation.

I think it’s a safe assumption that when he says he prefers to work on the training pitch and look for solutions from the resources already at his disposal, he actually means it.

A club of LFC's size, having spent £85m net in three years, should be looking to buy 3 or 4 quality players to kick on to the next level. If it chooses not to then that's the club's choice.
Where are you getting them from? Asda?

This is the Dunning-Kruger effect in full flow. You presume this is a piss of piss. Just go and buy 3-4 quality players, lads. It’s that simple.

Well, it’s not.

Firstly this might be the best squad in the country (we’ll see over the next seven games) and regardless of whether we finish top or second it will still likely have delivered one of the best league campaigns in top flight history. The pool of players out there that can improve this squad is small. And it’s gets smaller still, when you take out the ones already at top clubs who won’t sell, the ones that don’t want to come etc.

And then, the club policy is to go very deep on their analysis of the suitability of a player - not just his playing stats, but his personality, his motivations, his character, and his mentality. They are thorough - and that’s how they have had such success. They don’t panic buy. They don’t shit the bed. Fekir fails his medical? They don’t go to the second option, they wait for the right player to be available.

Everton have it easy. They are shite, and there are shitloads of players around better than they’ve got. But a lad who is at the level of Sadio Mane or Mo Salah, who is happy to play in rotation, not motivated by money, and won’t rock the boat if he’s on the bench for a key game? That’s quite a bit harder.
 
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Hi pals, that was Dave Almighty with 19th Nervous Breakdown. I think I preferred the Rolling Stones version but I'm quite literally too scared to say anything he'd disagree with, and I hear he does a lot of work for charidee.
Ha, no, that wasn't Dave. I've known Dave a long time and that wasn't his style. He won't be back.
 

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There is clearly a frugality about the club, but that’s not the same as tight-fistedness. They will spend big on the right player, Alisson and Van Dijk are testament to that - but it needs to becthe right player.
Also note that while they look cheap now, and appear like brilliant signings, a significant portion of the fan base thought we were significantly over paying for both Mane and Salah.

Ha, no, that wasn't Dave. I've known Dave a long time and that wasn't his style. He won't be back.
Yeah, too sane to have been Dave. There is a big part of me that still thinks that despite the denials Dave was Sabu.