Just scored against Germany.Just because he's been mentioned in here a few times - Barca looking to sign Jovic for 50m euros:
Barcelona are preparing a €50m bid for Luka Jovic and hope to start negotiations with Eintracht Frankfurt in the next few weekswww.theguardian.com
I take it you haven't seen much of Lewis?LBs do not get brought on to change games though. Strikers and wide men do or AM types. Lewis is more than ok as substitute LB especially if we keep Milner or buy a CB who can cover LB. Striker to replace Sturridge has to be able to replace any of our front 3 and lead the line as our main attacking force. Brewster is not ready for that yet.
Then I suspect Klopp has a summer target lined up and the club is deliberately feeding the promotion story to journalists.I take it you haven't seen much of Lewis?
He's not even close to being ready for men's football. Defensively he's like Moreno, but slower. He would get found out very quickly.
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Are we done now? Do you want to keep going? It only ends one way.
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No I didn't advocate spending money for the sake of spending money.Two things.
1. It is a change of tack. We have operated under a policy of spending money only when it is necessary to do so, and setting an incredibly high bar (in terms of player suitability) before spending anything. You are advocating spending money for the sake of spending money. By making the objective ‘spend more money’ you’re ignoring small matters like ‘does the manager want/need more money’ and ‘is there someone available it would be worth spending money on’.
2. I don’t understand how you can use the success of Klopp to advocate spending more money, when the man himself has said he views the market as a last resort and prefers to explore in-house solutions before going there. If you respect Klopp, respect his methods and stop going on about money :tongue:
Well, you sort of are.No I didn't advocate spending money for the sake of spending money.
Apart from him saying, on multiple occasions, that it baffles him that the fans and media focus so much on money, that he prefers to find solutions from inside the club, and if he could spend oligarch money it wouldn’t be any fun to him.Not spending money is not proof that Klopp doesn't want better options than he has - or would have if we keep players or just use youth - in certain areas, it's just proof that he is prepared to work with the available resources because he's that type of guy.
Where are you getting them from? Asda?A club of LFC's size, having spent £85m net in three years, should be looking to buy 3 or 4 quality players to kick on to the next level. If it chooses not to then that's the club's choice.
Ha, no, that wasn't Dave. I've known Dave a long time and that wasn't his style. He won't be back.
Hi pals, that was Dave Almighty with 19th Nervous Breakdown. I think I preferred the Rolling Stones version but I'm quite literally too scared to say anything he'd disagree with, and I hear he does a lot of work for charidee.
Also note that while they look cheap now, and appear like brilliant signings, a significant portion of the fan base thought we were significantly over paying for both Mane and Salah.There is clearly a frugality about the club, but that’s not the same as tight-fistedness. They will spend big on the right player, Alisson and Van Dijk are testament to that - but it needs to becthe right player.
Yeah, too sane to have been Dave. There is a big part of me that still thinks that despite the denials Dave was Sabu.Ha, no, that wasn't Dave. I've known Dave a long time and that wasn't his style. He won't be back.
Well, he was obviously traumatised by his experience in the Big Brother house.Also note that while they look cheap now, and appear like brilliant signings, a significant portion of the fan base thought we were significantly over paying for both Mane and Salah.
Yeah, too sane to have been Dave. There is a big part of me that still thinks that despite the denials Dave was Sabu.
There are about 2500 footballers playing in the six top leagues in Europe. If Edwards and co can't find 3 or 4 who fit your profile, and are available at the right price, then they are not as good as you suggest they are.Well, you sort of are.
You keep saying that we should spend more, and your sole justification for this is your own fag packet maths on what you think we can spend (which is undoubtedly oversimplified) based on our income.
The extension of this logic is that had we paid what players are actually worth, rather pulling off a series of absolute fucking blinders in the market and academy you’d be content. As long as we’re spending every penny on the squad you’re cool.
There is clearly a frugality about the club, but that’s not the same as tight-fistedness. They will spend big on the right player, Alisson and Van Dijk are testament to that - but it needs to becthe right player.
We’ve been through periods where the club have emptied the coffers every year to get in bodies, and it never ends well. I’m glad they are willing to hold their nerve.
Apart from him saying, on multiple occasions, that it baffles him that the fans and media focus so much on money, that he prefers to find solutions from inside the club, and if he could spend oligarch money it wouldn’t be any fun to him.
I think we can be certain at this point how Klopp feels about things. He has absolute security in his job, he is adored by the fans, loved in the media, and there would be a revolt if the owners threatened him. If he wasn’t happy, he has the power to make that known.
We know of (I think) two situations where he personally has pulled the plug because he felt a player wasn’t right in terms of mentality or motivation.
I think it’s a safe assumption that when he says he prefers to work on the training pitch and look for solutions from the resources already at his disposal, he actually means it.
Where are you getting them from? Asda?
This is the Dunning-Kruger effect in full flow. You presume this is a piss of piss. Just go and buy 3-4 quality players, lads. It’s that simple.
Well, it’s not.
Firstly this might be the best squad in the country (we’ll see over the next seven games) and regardless of whether we finish top or second it will still likely have delivered one of the best league campaigns in top flight history. The pool of players out there that can improve this squad is small. And it’s gets smaller still, when you take out the ones already at top clubs who won’t sell, the ones that don’t want to come etc.
And then, the club policy is to go very deep on their analysis of the suitability of a player - not just his playing stats, but his personality, his motivations, his character, and his mentality. They are thorough - and that’s how they have had such success. They don’t panic buy. They don’t shit the bed. Fekir fails his medical? They don’t go to the second option, they wait for the right player to be available.
Everton have it easy. They are shite, and there are shitloads of players around better than they’ve got. But a lad who is at the level of Sadio Mane or Mo Salah, who is happy to play in rotation, not motivated by money, and won’t rock the boat if he’s on the bench for a key game? That’s quite a bit harder.
I’m sure they can identify more than that, but that really is just the start.There are about 2500 footballers playing in the six top leagues in Europe. If Edwards and co can't find 3 or 4 who fit your profile, and are available at the right price, then they are not as good as you suggest they are.
Don’t you think this is a strange time to be questioning the club’s desire to be competitive? We’re top of the league and a safe bet for the last four out the champions league. What more would you want at this stage?You make many valid points, but what you fail to see is that what is required are not just the right purchases on a case by case basis, but enough of them during a certain time frame to create a team and squad that can win things consistently.
There are many analogies one could use from the business world in relation to this, but in essence the point is that if the objective is merely to acquire assets who will appreciate in value, focussing solely on sure things and low hanging fruit, then at some level our competitiveness will be compromised.
I don't disagree on many levels, but I think you're too generous in your view of their objectives/motives, too willing to accept the club's stance verbatim, and unwilling to accept that the potential for success is compromised by it.I’m sure they can identify more than that, but that really is just the start.
Do they want to come here? Would their clubs release them? What are their motivations? If they really are top class, what kind of status in the squad do they want? What is their agent like? Is there someone better we could wait for?
Don’t you think this is a strange time to be questioning the club’s desire to be competitive? We’re top of the league and a safe bet for the last four out the champions league. What more would you want at this stage?
The fantastic position we are in is precisely because we have a manager and recruitment that is diligent in how they spend the team’s money.
Paul Tompkins used to do a thing about how 50% of transfer spending is wasted, such is the high risk nature of any transfer. He did this as a means of defending Rafa against his detractors, but I always used to think why don’t we just try to be a bit more careful? Recruit to a plan. Go a lot deeper into character and mentality etc. Try and get that success rate up to 75%. Or 85% even. That’s where the club is now, and that work is allowing us to go toe to toe with clubs like City and Chelsea for lads like Van Dijk and Alisson Becker.
The squad obviously needs continual improvement. But the transfer market is not the only way to do this. Gini Wijnaldum is an example of this. Last season he was pretty high on the clear out lists of many fans. The usual fantasy football bollocks of bringing in ten new players every year had Gini out the door in many cases. But Klopp doesn’t work like this, and instead worked with him and coached him, and he is now the first midfielder on the team sheet in the eyes of many fans. That’s another perfectly legitimate way to improve a team. There will be other players that Klopp can do this work with.
It isn’t all about spending money. For Klopp its about making the most of what we’ve got, using the academy, improving players and finding creative solutions, so that when we do have the chance to sign a world class talent, we don’t end up trying to haggle over a few million quid and missing out, like we used to with Rafa and Parry.
This is absolute horseshit and based on nothing but your feels and the agenda you push.Can you not see that not being able to rotate burns players out? TAA is getting more injuries, Robertson is making more mistakes than last season, Bobby is clearly not the player of last season. Clyne played for two years straight under Klopp then had a year out injured. You really want VVD to end up the same?
What do they say? And why do you keep doing this to yourself?This is absolute horseshit and based on nothing but your feels and the agenda you push.
I'd challenge you to give us some evidence of your easily quantifiable observations, but you know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...