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I agree with this, but the way he has preformed at Derby has given Klopp a problem. The lad has done everything that has been asked of him. How can Klopp not given him a chance? What would it say to another young player when a lad who has performed as well as him isn’t given a chance?
It would say Wilson wasn´t good enough in Klopp´s view but TAA was and that´s why he´s a regular at right back. So if I want to be a regular I have to be good enough.
 

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Wilson being an option is dependent on Shaqiri leaving, there's barely a place for one of those in our 433 never mind both. If we were to allow Milner and Lallana to leave he could be an option as our 6th midfielder, I think he has some potential in the 8 role.

If Brewster is given a proper chance then I think any kid just needs to look at him, Trent or Gomez to know they'll get given opportunities if they're good enough.
 

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I mean a place in the squad, regular bench appearances, the cups, and 3-4 starts. Basically playing a squad role, with an opportunity for more.
If he comes back and can demonstrate that he is comparably effective as the players who currently have that role then only a mug would chose not to use him. If he cannot then only a mug would keep him. The shots that kids have to earn (not given) cannot realistically be done by performing well in a lower division given the modern disparity in quality and level of competition between that and the top of the top league.
 

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We don't need to buy anyone. In fact I would sell everyone bar the first 11 so choices need to be made by Klopp on who leaves from the midfield and the defence. Fuck having a squad. I mean nobody will want to come to make up the numbers, play with some of the best players in the world or challenge for titles and cups every year.
 

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We don't need to buy anyone. In fact I would sell everyone bar the first 11 so choices need to be made by Klopp on who leaves from the midfield and the defence. Fuck having a squad. I mean nobody will want to come to make up the numbers, play with some of the best players in the world or challenge for titles and cups every year.
I think there may be a slight trace of sarcasm here........ maybe!
 

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We'd probably be sorted for the midfield if we get the likes of Grujic and Wilson back. Especially the former. But a marquee signing in midfield will show a huge statement of intent.
 

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I agree with this, but the way he has preformed at Derby has given Klopp a problem. The lad has done everything that has been asked of him. How can Klopp not given him a chance? What would it say to another young player when a lad who has performed as well as him isn’t given a chance?
I agree with this.

He appears (from the outside looking in of course) to be a real professional. Trains hard, not put a word or facial expression out of place yet. Has impressed at every playing level he's been given a chance at.

Those saying about the difference between our level and the Championship seem to be assuming that's his level. I'm not sure why?

Just because he's impressed at Championship level (the highest he's played except, arguably, for Wales) doesn't mean he can't play higher. He needs to actually be tried higher for that to be found out.

I'm sure some wanted to get Neves and/or Sessegnon straight from the Championship last season and they were no more impressive despite playing for more impressive sides.

Also Brewster has been earmarked for chances but they haven't been given yet due to injury. Gomez already played plenty before injury before Klopp arrived.

At the moment the evidence of his success with introducing youth players here is Trent. And a cynic could say he only got chances due to Clyne getting injured.

I'm a believer in Klopp and his development of youth players but we shouldn't just assume all young players on the outside looking in will agree, especially when they have agents doing Wormtongue impressions in their ear with ulterior motives.

Wilson impressing but not getting chances, Woodburn having quite a high profile but not getting chances and now this Camacho issue all have the potential to look like red flags to a young player choosing his next club.
 

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We are really having many choices to look at in attacking role - Dybala, Werner, Jovic, Brandt, Eriksen, etc.
But I don't see much choices for LB or RB who are linked to us or realistic. Who do you think we should look at for these 2 positions.
 

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I agree with this.

He appears (from the outside looking in of course) to be a real professional. Trains hard, not put a word or facial expression out of place yet. Has impressed at every playing level he's been given a chance at.

Those saying about the difference between our level and the Championship seem to be assuming that's his level. I'm not sure why?

Just because he's impressed at Championship level (the highest he's played except, arguably, for Wales) doesn't mean he can't play higher. He needs to actually be tried higher for that to be found out.

I'm sure some wanted to get Neves and/or Sessegnon straight from the Championship last season and they were no more impressive despite playing for more impressive sides.

Also Brewster has been earmarked for chances but they haven't been given yet due to injury. Gomez already played plenty before injury before Klopp arrived.

At the moment the evidence of his success with introducing youth players here is Trent. And a cynic could say he only got chances due to Clyne getting injured.

I'm a believer in Klopp and his development of youth players but we shouldn't just assume all young players on the outside looking in will agree, especially when they have agents doing Wormtongue impressions in their ear with ulterior motives.

Wilson impressing but not getting chances, Woodburn having quite a high profile but not getting chances and now this Camacho issue all have the potential to look like red flags to a young player choosing his next club.
I think I was pretty straight forward in my assessment of Wilson. There is a reason why the likes of Hudson-Odoi, Sterling, Ibe (even) have all managed to get minutes in the Premiership.. Pace and physicality, it can mask a fucktron of deficiencies whilst a player learns the intensity and the other skills needed. It's also something nearly impossible to train up to quickly and can take years and years if it's not natural.

It's also why the golden boy of the skyblueshite Foden hardly gets any proper minutes.

You mention Sessegnon.. Yet he is absolutely rapid and has great athleticism.

Wilson's next step is to go on loan to a Premiership club and prove he can cut the mustard at that level. This doesn't mean he couldn't be a star for Wales, or if he moved to Italy/Germany he'd play for a top club there either.. The Premiership is the fastest and most physically demanding league on the planet, so it's nothing to do with Klopp not giving him his chance. If he was 5/6th choice he has to be able to come on and make an impact (look at Origi) I don't think yet he can do that so he would just be here to train with the 1st team which at his age is completely counter productive.

Klopp will give youth a chance, but also won't throw them in if they don't add to the team. Wilson just may have a longer route to the 1st team whilst his body catches up to his natural technical ability.
 

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Wilson reminds me a lot of David Silva. When he first came to the Premiership there were concerns about his physicality and how he'd adapt. His best position was also hard to pin down. Di Maria was similar.

I still look at Silva and think that really he shouldn't be able to do what he does in the PL and yet he's been consistently brilliant for nearly a decade.

I think the main issue is not whether Wilson can be successful in the PL but whether he can play for Klopp’s Liverpool as that's a completely different proposition to playing for a City or Arsenal.
 

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I agree with this.

He appears (from the outside looking in of course) to be a real professional. Trains hard, not put a word or facial expression out of place yet. Has impressed at every playing level he's been given a chance at.

Those saying about the difference between our level and the Championship seem to be assuming that's his level. I'm not sure why?

Just because he's impressed at Championship level (the highest he's played except, arguably, for Wales) doesn't mean he can't play higher. He needs to actually be tried higher for that to be found out.

I'm sure some wanted to get Neves and/or Sessegnon straight from the Championship last season and they were no more impressive despite playing for more impressive sides.

Also Brewster has been earmarked for chances but they haven't been given yet due to injury. Gomez already played plenty before injury before Klopp arrived.

At the moment the evidence of his success with introducing youth players here is Trent. And a cynic could say he only got chances due to Clyne getting injured.

I'm a believer in Klopp and his development of youth players but we shouldn't just assume all young players on the outside looking in will agree, especially when they have agents doing Wormtongue impressions in their ear with ulterior motives.

Wilson impressing but not getting chances, Woodburn having quite a high profile but not getting chances and now this Camacho issue all have the potential to look like red flags to a young player choosing his next club.
He didn't rush to put Fabinho, Ox, Robertson or Keita into his team either. You get into this team on merit.

Also, Klopp was the one who gave Woodburn his opportunity, along with Hoever, Camacho and Jones. Brewster would have featured if he hadnt been injured. Solanke also had a chance to prove himself before leaving. Gomez may have played previously, but this is the first season he looked any good at CB.

He's also seen most of these players train regularly with the first team, so it's safe to say that were they looking the part they would be featuring in the first team squad on matchday. If they are Not, then it's probably with very good reason.

I don't think Wilson provides any difficulties for Klopp. He either thinks he can contribute or he doesn't. We've seen that Klopp is adaptable to fit players into his squad if they have what he wants - but if they lack the pace or physicality that's a big problem for him regardless of what they do elsewhere.
 

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I don't think Wilson provides any difficulties for Klopp.
The difficulty is that next time the club are trying to sign a young player, or persuade in to sign a new contract, and are giving it the ‘work hard and put the hours in, and you’ll get chances’, the players representatives can say ‘did you say this to Harry Wilson too?’
 

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The difficulty is that next time the club are trying to sign a young player, or persuade in to sign a new contract, and are giving it the ‘work hard and put the hours in, and you’ll get chances’, the players representatives can say ‘did you say this to Harry Wilson too?’
What we can say is that we won't allow their career to stagnate. They'll either get chances or they'll be allowed to move on.

"Do you want a crack at playing for the best team, under the best manager, in front of the best fans?"
 

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The difficulty is that next time the club are trying to sign a young player, or persuade in to sign a new contract, and are giving it the ‘work hard and put the hours in, and you’ll get chances’, the players representatives can say ‘did you say this to Harry Wilson too?’
Not every player is going to fit the requirements of the team - are you suggesting Klopp deliberately plays someone he doesn't think is ready or suitable, just so he can tell future signings that they will get chances or would you prefer him to be upfront about their opportunities?

Like @Kopstar says, under Klopp we can highlight that we are adding value with a number of young players we can show are going on to have good careers, even if they don't succeed here - we're not simply stock piling.
 

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Not every player is going to fit the requirements of the team - are you suggesting Klopp deliberately plays someone he doesn't think is ready or suitable, just so he can tell future signings that they will get chances or would you prefer him to be upfront about their opportunities?

Like @Kopstar says, under Klopp we can highlight that we are adding value with a number of young players we can show are going on to have good careers, even if they don't succeed here - we're not simply stock piling.
It's also relevant to any potential signing that, as brutal as this may sound, Wilson wasn't signed by Klopp. There are bound to be players at the club before Klopp arrived who simply don't suit his style of play. That's not to say Wilson is one of them but if he doesn't get a shot in the first team then that's a reasonable explanation when in discussions with other potential future stars.
 

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@Kopstar and @redfanman I think you are both missing the point. Klopps style and reputation is built on working hard and you'll get your chances. So far Wilson hasn't had a chance for the senior side. It doesn't matter whether he signed him or not, Wilson has done everything asked of him and passed every test he's been allowed to sit. Now if Klopp gives him a few chances next season before then letting him move on in Jan or next summer for being a poor fit, then that's fine. But to not give him a chance to see if he can adapt to Klopps needs during at least a 6 month period says that it isn't quite true about "work hard and you'll get your chance"! Klopp was reluctant to use Henderson further forward in his 3 man midfield and has admitted he had it wrong. Just because a player doesn't seem like they'd be able to suit a role doesn't mean they definitely won't be able to suit it. The only way to know if Wilson can play in a Klopp side is to give him a few chances. If it doesn't work he can move on. But to not give him the chance it seems a bit wrong.
 

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Klopp has great judgement, a clear idea of what is necessary to play in this team and Wilson has been a Liverpool player for the 3 and a half years Klopp has been here.

He is in a perfect position to judge whether Wilson is suitable or not before he has given him a chance in the first team.
 

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@Kopstar and @redfanman I think you are both missing the point. Klopps style and reputation is built on working hard and you'll get your chances. So far Wilson hasn't had a chance for the senior side. It doesn't matter whether he signed him or not, Wilson has done everything asked of him and passed every test he's been allowed to sit. Now if Klopp gives him a few chances next season before then letting him move on in Jan or next summer for being a poor fit, then that's fine. But to not give him a chance to see if he can adapt to Klopps needs during at least a 6 month period says that it isn't quite true about "work hard and you'll get your chance"! Klopp was reluctant to use Henderson further forward in his 3 man midfield and has admitted he had it wrong. Just because a player doesn't seem like they'd be able to suit a role doesn't mean they definitely won't be able to suit it. The only way to know if Wilson can play in a Klopp side is to give him a few chances. If it doesn't work he can move on. But to not give him the chance it seems a bit wrong.
Klopp had him train regularly with the first team a year ago. You make it sound like he's never met the bloke and the only way to know is to play him in the first team, which is simply not true.
 

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"Hendo is a brilliant player," Klopp said.

"I’m really happy that he can show that again.

"He obviously likes the position. We've not used him there for one and a half years.

"Sorry about that!

"But we needed him there. A really good performance with brilliant passes."

If Klopp can admit he was wrong over his use of his captain (an almost ever present) I don't know why posters are surprised I'm saying he needs to see what Wilson can do on the pitch before deciding?
 

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"Hendo is a brilliant player," Klopp said.

"I’m really happy that he can show that again.

"He obviously likes the position. We've not used him there for one and a half years.

"Sorry about that!

"But we needed him there. A really good performance with brilliant passes."

If Klopp can admit he was wrong over his use of his captain (an almost ever present) I don't know why posters are surprised I'm saying he needs to see what Wilson can do on the pitch before deciding?
TBH i took Klopps comments to be a little tongue in cheek.
 

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I agree with this.

He appears (from the outside looking in of course) to be a real professional. Trains hard, not put a word or facial expression out of place yet. Has impressed at every playing level he's been given a chance at.

Those saying about the difference between our level and the Championship seem to be assuming that's his level. I'm not sure why?

Just because he's impressed at Championship level (the highest he's played except, arguably, for Wales) doesn't mean he can't play higher. He needs to actually be tried higher for that to be found out.
I assume at least a portion of this is directed at me as it was me who made the comment about the disparity between the leagues. However, the rest of it is not remotely what I said.

The difficulty is that next time the club are trying to sign a young player, or persuade in to sign a new contract, and are giving it the ‘work hard and put the hours in, and you’ll get chances’, the players representatives can say ‘did you say this to Harry Wilson too?’
Good kids are given a chance to show what they have during training. They then earn their shot by forcing the manager’s hand by demonstrating they are better or have more to offer than other players the manager might otherwise pick. Doing well for Derby will get him invited back to try and earn a role. It is not sufficient to be given a role with the senior squad if he doesn’t then take the next step.
 

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They are but also correct to admit Henderson has been more effective than expected when finally utilised further forward.
I think you are taking this out of context. Henderson did a job for us because we had no one else. Fabinho is now up to speed and Klopp is using Hendo further forward. Do you think if Fabinho got injured Henderson wouldn´t be used in the no.6?
Also you are contradicting yourself. You are saying from what I can see that Klopp is being stubborn over Wilson but wasn´t over Henderson. So what would be the reason for this? Is it personal? Does he not like Wilson? or maybe he thinks Wilson isn´t up to scratch at the moment.

Origi wasn´t getting a look in, now he´s 1st sub off the bench. Naby was used then benched and then all of a sudden was back in the first 11.

Klopp will do what he has to do.
 

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I assume at least a portion of this is directed at me as it was me who made the comment about the disparity between the leagues. However, the rest of it is not remotely what I said.


Good kids are given a chance to show what they have during training. They then earn their shot by forcing the manager’s hand by demonstrating they are better or have more to offer than other players the manager might otherwise pick. Doing well for Derby will get him invited back to try and earn a role. It is not sufficient to be given a role with the senior squad if he doesn’t then take the next step.
I think some people are having different conversations here. I was addressing the fact that, as Mascot said, if Wilson isn't given a chance it's wrong because what else does he need to do? Well by your statement I'm guessing you believe he will be given that chance? "Doing well for Derby will get him invited back to try and earn a role. It is not sufficient to be given a role with the senior squad if he doesn’t then take the next step."
 

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Klopp has never said he wouldn't be, so there is nothing to admit.
Fabinho and Henderson have both been available for many games. Klopp has only just used Henderson further forward. I don't know why he'd need to say anything? By his own admission Henderson has been asking to play further forward and Klopp has seemingly been resistant.
 

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I think you are taking this out of context. Henderson did a job for us because we had no one else. Fabinho is now up to speed and Klopp is using Hendo further forward. Do you think if Fabinho got injured Henderson wouldn´t be used in the no.6?
Also you are contradicting yourself. You are saying from what I can see that Klopp is being stubborn over Wilson but wasn´t over Henderson. So what would be the reason for this? Is it personal? Does he not like Wilson? or maybe he thinks Wilson isn´t up to scratch at the moment.

Origi wasn´t getting a look in, now he´s 1st sub off the bench. Naby was used then benched and then all of a sudden was back in the first 11.

Klopp will do what he has to do.
Fabinho has been up to speed for months but Klopp was rotating him and Henderson. Why would me saying Henderson has been better than expected in the 8 mean he can no longer cover number 6? And im not saying Klopp is being stubborn over anything. It was a discussion over whether Klopp has to at least give Wilson a chance with us or not. My personal belief is he does have to and I think Klopp will. I'm disagreeing with people on here not Klopp who hasn't done one thing or the other yet.
 

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I think some people are having different conversations here. I was addressing the fact that, as Mascot said, if Wilson isn't given a chance it's wrong because what else does he need to do? Well by your statement I'm guessing you believe he will be given that chance? "Doing well for Derby will get him invited back to try and earn a role. It is not sufficient to be given a role with the senior squad if he doesn’t then take the next step."
And the idea I keep refuting is that "given a chance" means he gets games, a position which is predicated on doing well for Derby being sufficient to be given such a role in the quad. That just isn't the way this stuff works.