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The Elusive 19th

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So maybe, for me, Werner, Brandt/Fraser, de Ligt is about all I'd do. If the opportunity was there to get someone like Havertz you'd have to take it. We'd certainly have the funds to do that if the chance arose.
Poor chap Icardi. Even you have removed him from your wish list.
Also I would be very surprised, if we sell Shaq this summer. Bcoz for us to compete on 4 fronts, we definitely strength in depth and Shaq can provide that and he is a decent option from bench too.
 

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It perhaps doesn't need this level of thought to identify who should be sold and replaced, but for me a starting point in the analysis is to launch a Top of the Klopps (could also be Top of the Kops):

In my mind I split the outfield squad into two four groups, within an overall ranking of players 1-20.

The first group is our best players for whom there are no like for like replacements. As such they always play except in rare circumstances.

1. VVD - easily our most important player. The captain of the back 6 (including the midfield number 6). Can rarely, if ever be rested.
2=. Mane, Salah, Bobby. Our front three unit take the next three spots.
5. Robertson. Our best full back, great offensively and defensively, for whom there is no left footed like for like alternative.

Then we have the five who for me currently make up the rest of our best 11. The difference from those above, is that these players can be rested and those who'll appear in positions 11-15 can come into their slots without the level dropping too much, if at all.

6. Fabinho - our best midfielder.
7. Gini - our next best midfielder.
8. Hendo - some technical limitations but when fit and on form a quality player and captain.
9. Gomez - our best defender after VVD and Andy. His best position is centre back, but he's a better right back than TAA in my view.
10. Matip - we'll see how long it lasts, but for me he's really impressed since January and deserves his slot in our best defence.

The above outfield 10 is the side I'd start a CL final with, with Gomez at right back.

Then we have five players who are top quality and very close to those in the 6 - 10 positions. You'd field any of those in 11-15 against a top side.

11. Milner - the major concern is when father time will take his legs, but for now he's the first off the bench in either midfield or to cover full back and very rotatable, even against good sides.
12. Keita - becoming the player we hoped we had signed, will perhaps take Hendo's place in the best 11 soon.
13. Oxlade - top quality before his injury but still to prove he's the same after it. At the very least will be a top quality squad player.
14. TAA - drives me nuts at times with his sloppiness and slow thinking. Better offensively than defensively, needs to improve the latter.
15. Lovren - for all his brain farts he's a quality centre back.

Then we have players who for me lack something, wouldn't play that often, or would only play in emergencies.

16. Shaqiri - not quick enough to be an effective part of the front three, and not good enough to get picked ahead of any of the midfielders.
17. Origi - tall, works hard, good attitude, can score, but is not a viable regular rotation option for the front three.
18. Lallana - injury prone, has had his day, wouldn't play much when those in positions 6-15 are available.
19. Sturridge - he's done at our level.
20. Moreno - he never was our level in truth.

IMO there should be the following objectives in improving this squad for next season.

1. Ensure there are viable options to rotate and rest those in positions 1-5. If they play as much next season as this, we'll start to see injuries problems materialise.
2. Ensure the central defence has enough reliable depth, so we don't have the injury crisis we had December/February.
3. Have rotatable full back cover.
4. Improve the forward group so we can bring quality game changers off the bench and rotate the front three more.
5. Improve the quality of positions 16-20, by signing players for positions 1-15 and pushing players into positions 16-20 (like Milner).

Obviously we have to hope that nobody in positions 1-14 gets taken from us, but everyone in positions 15-20 could potentially be sold.

Sturridge and Moreno are gone for free (with £200k a week wages saved between them, £10m a year), and I'd definitely sell Lallana given his age, injury issues and that others are better in his department. We should get £20m for him.

I think Grujic could be a top midfielder in years to come, but if the club wants the money now we should get £35m. Clyne should fetch £15m. I'd also cash in on Origi £20m. Plus Ings has also been sold.

I'd consider selling Shaqiri if we need to, although for me he's the perfect 16-20 level player for what we paid. Plus Lovren if we're going for a centre back.

We really need four players, two attacking midfield come forwards and two defenders.

Personally I'd go in for De Ligt, who I believe would not only be rock solid alongside VVD, but also a viable rotation option for VVD in a way none of Gomez, Matip or Lovren are. Gomez would be the alternative for TAA at right back (along with Milner and Fabinho) and third best centre back.

Left back is a conundrum, Andy is so good, but we need a left footed alternative, or an ambidextrous one.

A quality creative 10 come forward, plus a quick wide forward come striker, would add the depth there.

TAA, VVD, De Ligt, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, new full back
Fab, Hendo, Gini, Milner, Keita, Oxlade, new attacking mid
Bobby, Mo, Mane, new forward, Shaqiri, Brewster

Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana, Lovren would go along with Clyne, Ings, Grujic (loan maybe).

Four quality players would be signed and one youngster promoted if they're deemed good enough to play PL as and when required.
 
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Jamie91

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It perhaps doesn't need this level of thought to identify who should be sold and replaced, but for me a starting point in the analysis is to launch a Top of the Klopps (could also be Top of the Kops):

In my mind I split the outfield squad into two four groups, within an overall ranking of players 1-20.

The first group is our best players for whom there are no like for like replacements. As such they always play except in rare circumstances.

1. VVD - easily our most important player. The captain of the back 6 (including the midfield number 6). Can rarely, if ever be rested.
2=. Mane, Salah, Bobby. Our front three unit take the next three spots.
5. Robertson. Our best full back, great offensively and defensively, for whom there is no left footed like for like alternative.

Then we have the five who for me currently make up the rest of our best 11. The difference from those above, is that these players can be rested and those who'll appear in positions 11-15 can come into their slots without the level dropping too much, if at all.

6. Fabinho - our best midfielder.
7. Gini - our next best midfielder.
8. Hendo - some technical limitations but when fit and on form a quality player and captain.
9. Gomez - our best defender after VVD and Andy. His best position is centre back, but he's a better right back than TAA in my view.
10. Matip - we'll see how long it lasts, but for me he's really impressed since January and deserves his slot in our best defence.

The above outfield 10 is the side I'd start a CL final with, with Gomez at right back.

Then we have five players who are top quality and very close to those in the 6 - 10 positions. You'd field any of those in 11-15 against a top side.

11. Milner - the major concern is when father time will take his legs, but for now he's the first off the bench in either midfield or to cover full back and very rotatable, even against good sides.
12. Keita - becoming the player we hoped we had signed, will perhaps take Hendo's place in the best 11 soon.
13. Oxlade - top quality before his injury but still to prove he's the same after it. At the very least will be a top quality squad player.
14. TAA - drives me nuts at times with his sloppiness and slow thinking. Better offensively than defensively, needs to improve the latter.
15. Lovren - for all his brain farts he's a quality centre back.

Then we have players who for me lack something, wouldn't play that often, or would only play in emergencies.

16. Shaqiri - not quick enough to be an effective part of the front three, and not good enough to get picked ahead of any of the midfielders.
17. Origi - tall, works hard, good attitude, can score, but is not a viable regular rotation option for the front three.
18. Lallana - injury prone, has had his day, wouldn't play much when those in positions 6-15 are available.
19. Sturridge - he's done at our level.
20. Moreno - he never was our level in truth.

IMO there should be the following objectives in improving this squad for next season.

1. Ensure there are viable options to rotate and rest those in positions 1-5. If they play as much next season as this, we'll start to see injuries problems materialise.
2. Ensure the central defence has enough reliable depth, so we don't have the injury crisis we had December/February.
3. Have rotatable full back cover.
4. Improve the forward group so we can bring quality game changers off the bench and rotate the front three more.
5. Improve the quality of positions 16-20, by signing players for positions 1-15 and pushing players into positions 16-20 (like Milner).

Obviously we have to hope that nobody in positions 1-14 gets taken from us, but everyone in positions 15-20 could potentially be sold.

Sturridge and Moreno are gone for free (with £200k a week wages saved between them, £10m a year), and I'd definitely sell Lallana given his age, injury issues and that others are better in his department. We should get £20m for him.

I think Grujic could be a top midfielder in years to come, but if the club wants the money now we should get £35m. Clyne should fetch £15m. I'd also cash in on Origi £20m. Plus Ings has also been sold.

I'd consider selling Shaqiri if we need to, although for me he's the perfect 16-20 level player for what we paid. Plus Lovren if we're going for a centre back.

We really need four players, two attacking midfield come forwards and two defenders.

Personally I'd go in for De Ligt, who I believe would not only be rock solid alongside VVD, but also a viable rotation option for VVD in a way none of Gomez, Matip or Lovren are. Gomez would be the alternative for TAA at right back (along with Milner and Fabinho) and third best centre back.

Left back is a conundrum, Andy is so good, but we need a left footed alternative, or an ambidextrous one.

A quality creative 10 come forward, plus a quick wide forward come striker, would add the depth there.

TAA, VVD, De Ligt, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, new full back
Fab, Hendo, Gini, Milner, Keita, Oxlade, new attacking mid
Bobby, Mo, Mane, new forward, Shaqiri, Brewster

Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana, Lovren would go along with Clyne, Ings, Grujic (loan maybe).

Four quality players would be signed and one youngster promoted if they're deemed good enough to play PL as and when required.
It perhaps doesn't need this level of thought to identify who should be sold and replaced, but for me a starting point in the analysis is to launch a Top of the Klopps (could also be Top of the Kops):

In my mind I split the outfield squad into two four groups, within an overall ranking of players 1-20.

The first group is our best players for whom there are no like for like replacements. As such they always play except in rare circumstances.

1. VVD - easily our most important player. The captain of the back 6 (including the midfield number 6). Can rarely, if ever be rested.
2=. Mane, Salah, Bobby. Our front three unit take the next three spots.
5. Robertson. Our best full back, great offensively and defensively, for whom there is no left footed like for like alternative.

Then we have the five who for me currently make up the rest of our best 11. The difference from those above, is that these players can be rested and those who'll appear in positions 11-15 can come into their slots without the level dropping too much, if at all.

6. Fabinho - our best midfielder.
7. Gini - our next best midfielder.
8. Hendo - some technical limitations but when fit and on form a quality player and captain.
9. Gomez - our best defender after VVD and Andy. His best position is centre back, but he's a better right back than TAA in my view.
10. Matip - we'll see how long it lasts, but for me he's really impressed since January and deserves his slot in our best defence.

The above outfield 10 is the side I'd start a CL final with, with Gomez at right back.

Then we have five players who are top quality and very close to those in the 6 - 10 positions. You'd field any of those in 11-15 against a top side.

11. Milner - the major concern is when father time will take his legs, but for now he's the first off the bench in either midfield or to cover full back and very rotatable, even against good sides.
12. Keita - becoming the player we hoped we had signed, will perhaps take Hendo's place in the best 11 soon.
13. Oxlade - top quality before his injury but still to prove he's the same after it. At the very least will be a top quality squad player.
14. TAA - drives me nuts at times with his sloppiness and slow thinking. Better offensively than defensively, needs to improve the latter.
15. Lovren - for all his brain farts he's a quality centre back.

Then we have players who for me lack something, wouldn't play that often, or would only play in emergencies.

16. Shaqiri - not quick enough to be an effective part of the front three, and not good enough to get picked ahead of any of the midfielders.
17. Origi - tall, works hard, good attitude, can score, but is not a viable regular rotation option for the front three.
18. Lallana - injury prone, has had his day, wouldn't play much when those in positions 6-15 are available.
19. Sturridge - he's done at our level.
20. Moreno - he never was our level in truth.

IMO there should be the following objectives in improving this squad for next season.

1. Ensure there are viable options to rotate and rest those in positions 1-5. If they play as much next season as this, we'll start to see injuries problems materialise.
2. Ensure the central defence has enough reliable depth, so we don't have the injury crisis we had December/February.
3. Have rotatable full back cover.
4. Improve the forward group so we can bring quality game changers off the bench and rotate the front three more.
5. Improve the quality of positions 16-20, by signing players for positions 1-15 and pushing players into positions 16-20 (like Milner).

Obviously we have to hope that nobody in positions 1-14 gets taken from us, but everyone in positions 15-20 could potentially be sold.

Sturridge and Moreno are gone for free (with £200k a week wages saved between them, £10m a year), and I'd definitely sell Lallana given his age, injury issues and that others are better in his department. We should get £20m for him.

I think Grujic could be a top midfielder in years to come, but if the club wants the money now we should get £35m. Clyne should fetch £15m. I'd also cash in on Origi £20m. Plus Ings has also been sold.

I'd consider selling Shaqiri if we need to, although for me he's the perfect 16-20 level player for what we paid. Plus Lovren if we're going for a centre back.

We really need four players, two attacking midfield come forwards and two defenders.

Personally I'd go in for De Ligt, who I believe would not only be rock solid alongside VVD, but also a viable rotation option for VVD in a way none of Gomez, Matip or Lovren are. Gomez would be the alternative for TAA at right back (along with Milner and Fabinho) and third best centre back.

Left back is a conundrum, Andy is so good, but we need a left footed alternative, or an ambidextrous one.

A quality creative 10 come forward, plus a quick wide forward come striker, would add the depth there.

TAA, VVD, De Ligt, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, new full back
Fab, Hendo, Gini, Milner, Keita, Oxlade, new attacking mid
Bobby, Mo, Mane, new forward, Shaqiri, Brewster

Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana, Lovren would go along with Clyne, Ings, Grujic (loan maybe).

Four quality players would be signed and one youngster promoted if they're deemed good enough to play PL as and when required.

De Ligt
Jamal Lewis
Brandt/ Depay
Insigne

Formidable squad
 

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@RedForever2014 good analysis on the squad and needs.

I’m not sure I’d quite be as frustrated with Trent as you’ve expressed, but there is a bit of sloppiness in his defensive play at times.

3-4 good players, and they are well within reach for us at this stage, and a very good squad becomes formidable, and able to fight for 4 competitions.
 

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Close.

If you listen to Air’s song All I Need, Beth Hirsch’s “aah-oo-aah” is pretty close to how Aouar’s name should be pronounced.

Now that could be turned into a terrace chant...
Always thought she said "all in all...." .

I'm going with ZB's , Wurzels-life, "I drove my tractor through yorrr 'aystack last noight ..... oo-aaaarrr, oo-aaaarrr"
 

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Most important thing in the summer will be to bring in a fourth quality attacker with goals in him. Preferably a CF or another speedy (left) winger.

Our Front3 were very lucky with injuries and form this season. Very likely that this won’t be the case next season.

Personally I would give up the hope of winning trophies if the only change in our attack would be Brewster for Sturridge next season.
 

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Werner just makes so much sense to me. The drop off when Bobby isn't available is just too great and surely we can't be thinking of going in next year with Origi and Brewster as our main back ups or needing to move Mo or Mane centrally.

The fact he can also play out wide helps offer some cover too. He just seems to be too perfect a fit for us not to be interested.

Right age profile, young, hungry, great record in a top league and surely under valued based on his contract situation.

Whilst Luka Jovic is grabbing all the headlines at the moment, Werner has three very solid years production under his belt in an emerging side.

Him plus Brandt, a decent LB and a backup keeper would nicely replace and be upgrades on Sturridge/Ings/Solanke, Lallana, Moreno and Mignolet, all of whom I suspect will leave.

Conservatively I'd estimate we'd perhaps get £35m for that lot (excluding Solanke who has already gone). Plus the likes of Karius, Wilson, Camacho, Clyne, Grujic and Kent could fetch the same again meaning the net spend wouldn't be that huge given the contract situations with Werner and Brandt.
 

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Most important thing in the summer will be to bring in a fourth quality attacker with goals in him. Preferably a CF or another speedy (left) winger.

Our Front3 were very lucky with injuries and form this season. Very likely that this won’t be the case next season.

Personally I would give up the hope of winning trophies if the only change in our attack would be Brewster for Sturridge next season.
Yes, for sure, the Barca game emphasised the real need for a clinical poacher up top.
 

GermanRed

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Yes, for sure, the Barca game emphasised the real need for a clinical poacher up top.
Looking at our two 'main opponents' benches this season

City
Mahrez, Sane and Jesus

Barca
Malcom, Dembele and Boateng

We have Sturridge and Origi. Two players even our manager wouldn't trust to start them in three consecutive games.

It was reported that we are trying to keep Origi (or even to extend his contract) and it almost feels certain that Brewster will take Sturridges place in the squad.

So personally I am very concerned that we won’t strengthen this area in the summer.
 

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Think Harry Wilson deserves a place in the squad next season. To be fair the way he's been playing at Derby it seems like we made a mistake loaning him out in the first place
 

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Think Harry Wilson deserves a place in the squad next season. To be fair the way he's been playing at Derby it seems like we made a mistake loaning him out in the first place
Is it not the opposite,he'd have got no game time here so going to Derby has built up his confidence and experience because he's playing,the loan was successful for him and Derby and has improved his profile as a young talented player,all of that is a positive.
 

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Is it not the opposite,he'd have got no game time here so going to Derby has built up his confidence and experience because he's playing,the loan was successful for him and Derby and has improved his profile as a young talented player,all of that is a positive.
Yeah that's a fair point but I think he was already at a decent enough level before the season started, I remember he was banging them in for Hull last year too. I think he'd have offered a bit more in certain games this season than our current alternatives could have as he seems like the type of player who'd work well in our front 3, whereas we always look a bit disjointed if one of the regular attackers is replaced by Divok or Sturridge
 

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I wonder whether Klopp and Edwards will have a look at one or two of the current Ajax players. Some gems there for sure.
 

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Is it not the opposite,he'd have got no game time here so going to Derby has built up his confidence and experience because he's playing,the loan was successful for him and Derby and has improved his profile as a young talented player,all of that is a positive.
He also wouldn't have been able to knock United out of the League Cup :)
 

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Also got the biggest clubs circling! De Jong for example is already off to Barca.
Yeah, that's no wonder! No player from there will come cheap, unless there is already something agreed with the player and the club, we'll see.

But Barca have secured themselves another huge talent, that's for sure... (the pricks)
 

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Yeah, that's no wonder! No player from there will come cheap, unless there is already something agreed with the player and the club, we'll see.

But Barca have secured themselves another huge talent, that's for sure... (the pricks)
From what I read this season Ajax's management knew they really had a special group of players and sat them down last summer (with offers on the table to move) and said look give us 1 more season and we could achieve something unbelievable.. If we go out of the CL I'd love them to win it, it's a young hungry side who is about to be dismantled (not that sad as that is Ajax's entire business plan these days).

De Ligt, Neres, Ziyech, Dolberg, Van Beek are all potential superstars as you said yourself. De Ligt is the pick for me, would love him here.
 

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I wonder whether Klopp and Edwards will have a look at one or two of the current Ajax players. Some gems there for sure.
If they make the finals, we should stay away from their players and give them one more season. Let the rest go gaga and in awe with them. Let other fans put out YouTub videos about the arrival of so and so. The following summer we make our swoop - the others would most likely get the wrong player. Remember Bakayoko? And how we sneak in and get Fabinho?
 

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After a really slow start, I have become really impressed with Lucas Moura the past 6 weeks or so. He didnt arrive with the greatest reputation for aptitude, but everytime I have seen him in this current run he has looked 100% a Klopp player. I think he was arguably the best player on the pitch when we beat them a few weeks ago.
 

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After a really slow start, I have become really impressed with Lucas Moura the past 6 weeks or so. He didnt arrive with the greatest reputation for aptitude, but everytime I have seen him in this current run he has looked 100% a Klopp player. I think he was arguably the best player on the pitch when we beat them a few weeks ago.
Aye your right there was a bloody menace.
 

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De Ligt, Neves, Brandt would be definite additions for me. De Ligt as a starter obviously, Neves as competition for Fabinho and Brandt who I would like to see in a more central attacking role opposed to the left, similar to De Bruyne in a midfield 3.

Would also like maybe two more additions including a back up keeper and an attacking player who can play across the front 3.