I'm arguing that it isn't strong as those of clubs we are looking to overcome. Now, I don't think it is realistic to have two very good players in every position like Man City do but I'm honestly exasperated by the sight of Sturridge toiling when Liverpool need a goal, news of Lallana's latest injury or Lovren repeatedly failing to contain opponents' physical forwards.Re bolded - are you arguing our squad isn't strong?
Quite the argument to make for a team with 94 points and in a CL semi final. Not sure I would agree with that one. Even though we all agree we need a better option for the front 3, our subs have more goals than anybody elses and Origi, Shaqiri and Sturridge have made a significant number of important contributions between them.
Agree with you with regards to the player profile we'll be targeting, this coming window gives us a chance to get rid of some older, lesser performing players with poor fitness records and replace them with younger, hopefully better players. Consolidate our medium-long term position at the top of the tree.
Which one is it?I'm arguing that it isn't strong as those of clubs we are looking to overcome.
Now, I don't think it is realistic to have two very good players in every position like Man City do
I'm not talking exactly about today's game, it's about his past 2 seasons. But this season, playing as a number 8 he looks fantastic. And he has always been a playmaker, the news is about his defensive skills and versatility. That's a whole new level. I never looked at Ox as a playmaker (his stats also don't look like that of a playmaker), but as an attacker and a presser.Much easier to showcase those skills in the Bundesliga, though. The space Frankfurt afforded them today was hilarious, if Chamberlain had been given that much time he'd have hurt them too.
I don't disagree though, Brandt would be an excellent buy.
I'm not arguing there isn't any good players in Germany, just that there's not as many as it appears on the surface. There's no two ways about it, it's clearly an inferior league. Logic then suggests that inferior players find it easier, and also that good players could find it more difficult elsewhere.I'm not talking exactly about today's game, it's about his past 2 seasons. But this season, playing as a number 8 he looks fantastic. And he has always been a playmaker, the news is about his defensive skills and versatility. That's a whole new level. I never looked at Ox as a playmaker (his stats also don't look like that of a playmaker), but as an attacker and a presser.
I wouldn't say it's much easier playing Bundesliga. There are really good players and good teams there, just like there are very poor teams in EPL. The main difference are the biggest teams. Our top 6 is way better than theirs, but from 7~18, I can't see too much difference tbh and in terms of play style, it is not as physical, but it still is physical enough and I don't think there's that much space.
Ajax is the biggest reason why I think if you play a top 5 league as an above average player, you can play any league in the world. Salah and Alisson are also good examples and there are many others. It's all about the right manager and the right play style. If you have a manager like Mourinho, you will struggle, but if you have Klopp, Pochettino or Guardiola, you will probably become an even better player.
I don't think that Liverpool, under Klopp, will ever look to have the depth that Man City have (Sane, Jesus and Mahrez to cover for Sterling, Aguero and Bernardo Silva, for example - which is quite ridiculous looking at their respective reputations and price tags) but I think that a level or two above Origi and Sturridge is feasible. You've mentioned Brandt - for me, he's not as good as Sane but should contribute more than either Lallana, Sturridge or Origi and has a pretty high ceiling.Which one is it?
To be at the point that we're disappointed with Lovren, Lallana and Sturridge being given the occasional appearance is a pretty fantastic place to be in, and it is not indicative of us having a particularly weak squad.
Klopp has always been able to motivate his players but he hasn't always been able to change a game from the bench, the difference is the quality of player he now has at his disposal.
Yes, there's room for improvement, which I'm hopeful we'll see in the summer.
I disagree. Look at the difference in points from the top 6 to the 7th place. In EPL, it's 10 points, in Bundesliga it's zero. It means that our top 6 is much better, but after that, everythings looks very equal. We don't have 18 amazing english teams. We have only six and that's why this is the best league. There's no such a thing as one or two contenders, there are four, maybe five and six are clearly the better teams.I'm not arguing there isn't any good players in Germany, just that there's not as many as it appears on the surface. There's no two ways about it, it's clearly an inferior league. Logic then suggests that inferior players find it easier, and also that good players could find it more difficult elsewhere.
Kagawa, Mhkitaryan and Gundogan were all 'playmakers' in Germany but couldn't come close to producing that here. Xhaka had a big reputation in Germany but hasn't lived up to it here. Our own Keita hasn't quite lived up to the billing yet, though the signs are promising. It's only KdB who has undoubtedly lived up to the reputation he gained in that league.
Brandt may be a 'playmaker' for Leverkusen but for this Liverpool side he'd be just another cog in the machine. It really isn't the same, not only is the standard of football superior but Liverpool are also a far more disciplined and sensible side than Leverkusen. Leverkusen don't have a player like Firmino who operates in those spaces and they don't have the full backs we do, Brandt would almost certainly find it very difficult to keep up those assist numbers here.
Just to be clear, I think Brandt has what it takes, but your post makes it out that he's miles ahead of Ox and I can't agree yet, I think they're quite similar provided Chamberlain returns to the same level. I'd love to see them play together, though.
That's not really how it works.I disagree. Look at the difference in points from the top 6 to the 7th place. In EPL, it's 10 points, in Bundesliga it's zero. It means that our top 6 is much better, but after that, everythings looks very equal.
I'm not just talking about on here.I don't think I've read a single person arguing we don't need more cover for our front 3, so I'm unsure who that is aimed at.
No, they don't. Most people seem to want 1 big signing for our front 3, some have suggested 2. That would be absolutely fine.Most people seem to be suggesting we keep Origi, use Brewster and - at best - sign a back up forward.
i find the timing of your post interestingI constantly hear and read people suggest we don't need to do much in the transfer market, because we got 94 (97) points and to the CL semis.
But one should always be looking to improve, especially as our competitors will. Standing still can be going backwards if everyone else progresses.
We also have to ask ourselves whether we'll actually get to a similar points tally again with largely the same squad.
Our league campaign has been successful because the five key players in our squad did not get injured (VVD, Robertson, Mane, Mo, Bobby), or at least did not get injured until it didn't really matter.
Can we really expect that if we don't have viable options to rest and rotate them more they will remain as injury free? Bobby's groin injury is hugely indicative of over-use, never mind that for large parts of the season he was clearly not the same player as the season before, which IMO was due to fatigue.
LFC is a £400m+ business, of which nearly £100m comes from the Champions League.
Do we want to be an injury or two away from not getting to the latter stages of the CL and missing out on nearly half that CL revenue? We saw, in December, the value in quality players, with Alisson's save at the end against Napoli directly netting the club the money in the CL it has made since.
Alisson's save, without which we'd have gone out, enabled us to go on and earn another £35m+ from the CL this season. He repaid half his fee with that save alone.
The club is financially strong enough to be in a position where it should be competing year in year out, even if the squad suffers what would be a reasonable amount of injuries amongst a group of 20 players, even key ones. Injuries that this season, thankfully, didn't happen.
If City lost key players for a significant period of time, which they have this season, they would remain competitive, as they have. We would not remain competitive with the loss of one or two of the five key players. They have six like for like options for the three forward positions.
Is it acceptable that should we suffer those injuries next season, everyone turns around and says, 'well we would have competed if x, y. or z wasn't injured, there's always next year'?
Then of course there is the issue of protecting one's assets. Do we destroy the body of a £50m to £100m player because we don't invest in the rotation options required to ensure he doesn't suffer over-use related injuries? If Mane, Mo and Bobby are worth £200m-£300m between them, should we not have £50m to £100m sat in options to rotate them to ensure they remain fit and usable?
I find it utterly ridiculous that anybody could argue for only having three top quality players for a department where we use three players each and every match.
Despite there being issues in defence and midfield that need to be addressed, there are genuine rotation options that we don't have up front.
With our three forwards all in summer international competitions on the back of a demanding season, we simply have to add similar level quality to that department if we have the genuine intent to continue to compete in accordance with our standing as a club.
We suffered in the CL final due to having nobody to bring on for Mo despite having no injuries in the forward squad, and the same happened in relation to Bobby in Barcelona.
Let's hope the penny has dropped at LFC HQ and in Boston, because if it hasn't it won't only be the trophy chances, but also the pounds that will suffer.
I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.No, they don't. Most people seem to want 1 big signing for our front 3, some have suggested 2. That would be absolutely fine.
Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster might not be good enough to be that 4th player but they are good enough to make a telling contribution.
What are you suggesting, that we sign 3 new expensive forwards? Have I got that right?
Right, so most people are asking for the same thing as you, hence the confusion as to who you were aiming the earlier post at.I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.
I think we need a senior 20 man squad, all of whom can play a decent amount of games (unlike Moreno, Sturridge), with the likes of Brewster and Wilson needing to prove themselves before being considered part of the 20 in future seasons (personally I'd loan them out). A couple of senior keepers and a third young keeper makes it 25.
In that 20, we need versatility but essentially 7 or 8 defenders, 6 midfielders, 6 forwards. If we go with 7 defenders, we can have an extra midfield to allow the covering of defence by midfielders without reducing midfield options.
There is overlap in midfield and attack resource allocation, not least because we always play 4 defenders but sometimes 3 CMS and 3 forwards, sometimes 2 CMS and 4 forwards.
Fab, Hendo, Gini and Milner are four CM's proper for a minimum of two positions. Keita and Oxlade are more attack minded CMs, but not really viable front three rotation players.
The forward squad would be Bobby, Mo, Mane, new guy, new guy, Shaqiri.
Of the current 13 senior midfielders/forwards, excluding Ings/Grujic, we sell Lallana, Origi and release Sturridge, and sign two quality players.
Depending what we do in defence, with Moreno, Clyne and possibly Lovren departing, we decide whether to have a 13th senior player in midfield/attack next season, as we have had in the second half of this season.
I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.That's not really how it works.
The rest of our league is still stronger than theirs. Compare the players of Wolves, Leicester, Everton, Watford and West Ham to Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Werder, Fortuna and Hertha. The English clubs very clearly have the better players, as they should because they have far more money to spend.
If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2.I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.
And if you think teams like Wolves and Leicester are certainly better than Hoffenheim or Wolfs just because they have a few better players (and that's debatable), I think you should watch the Germany teams a little bit more, you'd be surprised. Money and players are not everything, otherwise Roma wouldn't have beaten Barcelona and United wouldn't look horrible. There's also Ajax as another good example that tactics > money. Frankfurt are in EL semi-final, Salzburg had their chances vs Napoli, etc.
Imo, Premier League have 6 great teams, 2, maybe 3 good teams and after that I can't see anything especial or different than Bundesliga.
More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lolMore money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Out top 6 is way better, of course they are going to lose much more, it makes total sense.Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol
Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.
I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
If you put an English team in Bundesliga they would also have to change. That's part of the business.If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2.
Oh, I have no doubt about it but the nature of French league is such that only PSG can keep their prized assets. Maybe Aouar won't leave this summer (and I think he most likely won't) but if the offer is right, who knows. That said, Ndombele is probably more likely to leave but I'd keep an eye on Aouar.Is it even worth asking that?
Lyon won't let this 'kid' go and when they do Lyon are going to ask a kings ransom.
This presumes I actually care which league is better, maybe due to national pride or whatever. I couldn't care any less.I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.