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No, they don't. Most people seem to want 1 big signing for our front 3, some have suggested 2. That would be absolutely fine.

Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster might not be good enough to be that 4th player but they are good enough to make a telling contribution.

What are you suggesting, that we sign 3 new expensive forwards? Have I got that right?
I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.

I think we need a senior 20 man squad, all of whom can play a decent amount of games (unlike Moreno, Sturridge), with the likes of Brewster and Wilson needing to prove themselves before being considered part of the 20 in future seasons (personally I'd loan them out). A couple of senior keepers and a third young keeper makes it 25.

In that 20, we need versatility but essentially 7 or 8 defenders, 6 midfielders, 6 forwards. If we go with 7 defenders, we can have an extra midfield to allow the covering of defence by midfielders without reducing midfield options.

There is overlap in midfield and attack resource allocation, not least because we always play 4 defenders but sometimes 3 CMS and 3 forwards, sometimes 2 CMS and 4 forwards.

Fab, Hendo, Gini and Milner are four CM's proper for a minimum of two positions. Keita and Oxlade are more attack minded CMs, but not really viable front three rotation players.

The forward squad would be Bobby, Mo, Mane, new guy, new guy, Shaqiri.

Of the current 13 senior midfielders/forwards, excluding Ings/Grujic, we sell Lallana, Origi and release Sturridge, and sign two quality players.

Depending what we do in defence, with Moreno, Clyne and possibly Lovren departing, we decide whether to have a 13th senior player in midfield/attack next season, as we have had in the second half of this season.
 

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I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.

I think we need a senior 20 man squad, all of whom can play a decent amount of games (unlike Moreno, Sturridge), with the likes of Brewster and Wilson needing to prove themselves before being considered part of the 20 in future seasons (personally I'd loan them out). A couple of senior keepers and a third young keeper makes it 25.

In that 20, we need versatility but essentially 7 or 8 defenders, 6 midfielders, 6 forwards. If we go with 7 defenders, we can have an extra midfield to allow the covering of defence by midfielders without reducing midfield options.

There is overlap in midfield and attack resource allocation, not least because we always play 4 defenders but sometimes 3 CMS and 3 forwards, sometimes 2 CMS and 4 forwards.

Fab, Hendo, Gini and Milner are four CM's proper for a minimum of two positions. Keita and Oxlade are more attack minded CMs, but not really viable front three rotation players.

The forward squad would be Bobby, Mo, Mane, new guy, new guy, Shaqiri.

Of the current 13 senior midfielders/forwards, excluding Ings/Grujic, we sell Lallana, Origi and release Sturridge, and sign two quality players.

Depending what we do in defence, with Moreno, Clyne and possibly Lovren departing, we decide whether to have a 13th senior player in midfield/attack next season, as we have had in the second half of this season.
Right, so most people are asking for the same thing as you, hence the confusion as to who you were aiming the earlier post at.

Although I don't agree with loaning Brewster out. You seem to have an aversion to picking young players for some reason, presumably why you always pick holes in Trent's game despite him having a stormer of a season.
 

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We wanted Fekir to add to what we have so I assume the club are still looking at that type of player. If Origi leaves as well as Sturridge then we will need striker/winger cover.
 

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We apparently had scouts at the Lyon Vs Lille game yesterday. A few interesting players involved that could be on our radar.

Could we be going back for Fekir? If we really had doubts about his knee last summer I can't see us taking the risk this year even though I don't think he's had any issues with it this season. Would definitely offer creativity and flexibility.

Aouar is one we've definitely been linked with before and only enhanced his reputation. Pep was waxing lyrical about him after their CL games and he knows a creative, midfield controller when he sees one. Could be a replacement/upgrade in the middle three from the likes of Milner and Lallana but is that 8 position really what we need this summer?

Memphis Depay had a hand in both Lyon goals and played as part of the front three. Not sure he's got the work ethic that Klopp would be looking for and being an ex-manc is a black mark against him. However, he's been far better at Lyon than he ever showed at united.

Nicholas Pepe is being watched by every big club out there. Looks a star in the making and would certainly add immediate competition on the left but he's going to go for a huge wedge when he does leave.

Tanguy Ndombele is one I wanted us to get last summer. Another one likely to move this summer but with Fabinho now here I can't see us spending big on another defensive mid type.

Ferland Mendy is an emerging left back, could be an option we're looking at to provide some cover/competition for Robbo next season but given his emergence and the clubs chasing him he might not see being backup to the best left back in the world as his best career option.

Who would people want from these or is there someone else we might have been looking at in this game?
 

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That's not really how it works.

The rest of our league is still stronger than theirs. Compare the players of Wolves, Leicester, Everton, Watford and West Ham to Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Werder, Fortuna and Hertha. The English clubs very clearly have the better players, as they should because they have far more money to spend.
I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.

And if you think teams like Wolves and Leicester are certainly better than Hoffenheim or Wolfs just because they have a few better players (and that's debatable), I think you should watch the Germany teams a little bit more, you'd be surprised. Money and players are not everything, otherwise Roma wouldn't have beaten Barcelona and United wouldn't look horrible. There's also Ajax as another good example that tactics > money. Frankfurt are in EL semi-final, Salzburg had their chances vs Napoli, etc.

Imo, Premier League have 6 great teams, 2, maybe 3 good teams and after that I can't see anything especial or different than Bundesliga.

More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
 

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I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.

And if you think teams like Wolves and Leicester are certainly better than Hoffenheim or Wolfs just because they have a few better players (and that's debatable), I think you should watch the Germany teams a little bit more, you'd be surprised. Money and players are not everything, otherwise Roma wouldn't have beaten Barcelona and United wouldn't look horrible. There's also Ajax as another good example that tactics > money. Frankfurt are in EL semi-final, Salzburg had their chances vs Napoli, etc.

Imo, Premier League have 6 great teams, 2, maybe 3 good teams and after that I can't see anything especial or different than Bundesliga.

More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2. :)
 

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More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol

Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.

I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 

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@rab, I think that Real Madrid's press released a story about Zidane making Ferland Mendy his first choice left back target for this summer. Not sure about the rest, all of them are good players but I always think of how Klopp is loyal to his players - Aouar might be a target for him but could he play on the wing? I don't think Klopp will be looking to sign a central midfielder with the sort of money he has already invested in Keita and AOC... I also wonder if there was maybe a centre back his scouts were watching.
 

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Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol

Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.

I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Out top 6 is way better, of course they are going to lose much more, it makes total sense.

There's also nothing to sugggest that the bottom 7 are not as good as the English. But from what I've been seeing for the past 2 years (and I watch a fair amount of Bundesliga), I can't see any difference at all and in fact, as I said before, the Germany have are more versatile tactically, more teams playing with different setups. United are the living proof that more money and even better players (and as I said before, very debatable if you think about bottom 7) are not a guaratee of a better team.

That's the way I see things. All of it pure especulation.

I'll leave it here too.

If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2. :)
If you put an English team in Bundesliga they would also have to change. That's part of the business.

The biggest issue I have with people who support English teams is thinking that EPL clubs are much better than others. They are not. The top 6 is clearly way ahead, but after that you could compare Bundesliga and La Liga easily. Money and good players won't bring you the best team. It will help for sure, but there's also a lot more to it.

If Bundesliga was such a weak league, people like Sané, KDB, Gundogan, Keita wouldn't be at top clubs in EPL. Also, the likes of Havertz, Brandt, Bailey, Jovic, Upamecano and Thorgan Hazard wouldn't be scouted. And there are many more. Lots of good prospects but above all, lots of good teams too.

I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.
 

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Is it even worth asking that?
Lyon won't let this 'kid' go and when they do Lyon are going to ask a kings ransom.
Oh, I have no doubt about it but the nature of French league is such that only PSG can keep their prized assets. Maybe Aouar won't leave this summer (and I think he most likely won't) but if the offer is right, who knows. That said, Ndombele is probably more likely to leave but I'd keep an eye on Aouar.
 

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I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.
This presumes I actually care which league is better, maybe due to national pride or whatever. I couldn't care any less.

I love German football, the way it's ran, the stadiums, the matchday experience. It all blows English footy out of the water.

The teams aren't as good though. That's my opinion, you have yours. No problem.
 

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@rab, I think that Real Madrid's press released a story about Zidane making Ferland Mendy his first choice left back target for this summer. Not sure about the rest, all of them are good players but I always think of how Klopp is loyal to his players - Aouar might be a target for him but could he play on the wing? I don't think Klopp will be looking to sign a central midfielder with the sort of money he has already invested in Keita and AOC... I also wonder if there was maybe a centre back his scouts were watching.
I think we could probably rule out centre backs. No way we're after Jason Denayar or Jose Fonte. Then there's two Brazilians, one a thirty one year old uncapped journeyman and an uncapped twenty one year old.

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I would not buy Sessegnon. For me the biggest gamble there is, kind of reminds me of how Shaun Wright-Phillips burst on the scene at the same age and then burned out when he hit 22

Not worth the gamble
 

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In the aftermath of performances like last night, it's tough to contemplate certain changes that previously were being discussed.

But you've got to step away from euphoria, or despair when that happens, and coldly look at what needs doing.

It's about who can perform at the level we need, where and when we need it, against who we need it.

Centre back is a difficult one because Matip is playing so well, Gomez looked superb there and Lovren is a character, a dedicated servant who is great on his day but prone to mishaps. But we have to consider the fact that VVD can rarely be rested and that three centre backs are injury prone. We also might consider that full back cover could come from a change at centre back.

At full back it's tough to contemplate TAA and Andy not playing too much, but at the same time the demands of the position mean you've got to rest them a certain proportion of the time. Plus you have to ensure that if they get injured the whole game plan doesn't unravel.

In midfield, we have to consider Milner's longevity, and succession plan a bit.

Up top it's about having genuine quality alternatives so that we can rest the front three more.

In addition to keeping us competitive in the CL and PL, depth also increase our chances in domestic cups.

As we wake us this morning I still think that those out on loan should stay on loan or be sold. I still think Moreno and Sturridge need to go and that Lallana probably needs to go too. Lovren is the obvious centre back to make way.

Origi is the one who is starting to change minds, the advantage with him being that he's rare in being a tall guy who can be a target man and play wide.

So a couple of new defenders would be on the cards, especially if Milner stays as further full back cover. If we stick with 7 defenders and 6 midfielders (including Oxlade), then there's a place for Shaqiri as a attacking midfielder come forward plus 6 other forwards.

For me a couple of quality forwards definitely remain on the agenda, especially with the need to get a similar points tally in the PL to be able to win it.
 

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Well here's some weird coincidence which shows how good Klopp is... Wijnaldum, Robertson and Shaqiri, all 3 started for us against Barcelona and all of them came from a team relegated and we picked them out on a cheap. Maybe we should look at Fulham and who we could pinch?
 

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First XI (cover) for next season :

GK : Alisson (Mignolet)
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RB: Alexander-Arnold (_____)
RCB: Matip (Gomez)
LCB: Van Dijk (Lovren)
LB: Robertson (_____)
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CDM: Fabinho (Henderson)
CM: Wijnaldum (Keita)
CAM: _____ (Oxlade-Chamberlain)
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RW: Salah (Shaqiri)
CF: Firmino (_____)
LW: Mané (_____)

Three new players therefore required:
1) A creative, proven CAM able to earn a starting spot (Bruno Fernandes, Pablo Fornals, Nabil Fekir?). I feel this season we were lucky to get away with the lack of creativity in midfield, with some last-minute winners and a few lucky situations. Man City in the other hand always looked more confortable and convincing against stubborn defences.
2) A full-back able to cover for both sides (Djibril Sidibé, Kenny Lala?).
3) A forward capable of covering the three positions (Thorgan Hazard, Mark Uth?).

I would probably keep Milner and Origi at least one more season, and let go of Sturridge, Lallana and Moreno.
 

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After a really slow start, I have become really impressed with Lucas Moura the past 6 weeks or so. He didnt arrive with the greatest reputation for aptitude, but everytime I have seen him in this current run he has looked 100% a Klopp player. I think he was arguably the best player on the pitch when we beat them a few weeks ago.
Worth another mention.
 

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Personally think we may be only looking at full-back cover and a back-up to Mane/Salah. Big Div and Rhian seem to be set as the additional front men, Ox returning to bolster the midfield.
Unless someone unexpected leaves (why would they??) there seems little need for more.
Personally would be happy for Lovren and Lallana to move on but don't see that happening
 

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Think reaching the CL final means we have to wait a bit longer for reliable rumors.
 

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Well Fabinho signed 2 days after last years final. I expect we've wrapped up most deals already
But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
 

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But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
Think we will do our incoming business regardless of outgoing deals being completed yet.