In the Danger Zone.
- Feb 10, 2009
I don't think I've read a single person arguing we don't need more cover for our front 3, so I'm unsure who that is aimed at.
I'm not just talking about on here.I don't think I've read a single person arguing we don't need more cover for our front 3, so I'm unsure who that is aimed at.
No, they don't. Most people seem to want 1 big signing for our front 3, some have suggested 2. That would be absolutely fine.Most people seem to be suggesting we keep Origi, use Brewster and - at best - sign a back up forward.
i find the timing of your post interestingI constantly hear and read people suggest we don't need to do much in the transfer market, because we got 94 (97) points and to the CL semis.
But one should always be looking to improve, especially as our competitors will. Standing still can be going backwards if everyone else progresses.
We also have to ask ourselves whether we'll actually get to a similar points tally again with largely the same squad.
Our league campaign has been successful because the five key players in our squad did not get injured (VVD, Robertson, Mane, Mo, Bobby), or at least did not get injured until it didn't really matter.
Can we really expect that if we don't have viable options to rest and rotate them more they will remain as injury free? Bobby's groin injury is hugely indicative of over-use, never mind that for large parts of the season he was clearly not the same player as the season before, which IMO was due to fatigue.
LFC is a £400m+ business, of which nearly £100m comes from the Champions League.
Do we want to be an injury or two away from not getting to the latter stages of the CL and missing out on nearly half that CL revenue? We saw, in December, the value in quality players, with Alisson's save at the end against Napoli directly netting the club the money in the CL it has made since.
Alisson's save, without which we'd have gone out, enabled us to go on and earn another £35m+ from the CL this season. He repaid half his fee with that save alone.
The club is financially strong enough to be in a position where it should be competing year in year out, even if the squad suffers what would be a reasonable amount of injuries amongst a group of 20 players, even key ones. Injuries that this season, thankfully, didn't happen.
If City lost key players for a significant period of time, which they have this season, they would remain competitive, as they have. We would not remain competitive with the loss of one or two of the five key players. They have six like for like options for the three forward positions.
Is it acceptable that should we suffer those injuries next season, everyone turns around and says, 'well we would have competed if x, y. or z wasn't injured, there's always next year'?
Then of course there is the issue of protecting one's assets. Do we destroy the body of a £50m to £100m player because we don't invest in the rotation options required to ensure he doesn't suffer over-use related injuries? If Mane, Mo and Bobby are worth £200m-£300m between them, should we not have £50m to £100m sat in options to rotate them to ensure they remain fit and usable?
I find it utterly ridiculous that anybody could argue for only having three top quality players for a department where we use three players each and every match.
Despite there being issues in defence and midfield that need to be addressed, there are genuine rotation options that we don't have up front.
With our three forwards all in summer international competitions on the back of a demanding season, we simply have to add similar level quality to that department if we have the genuine intent to continue to compete in accordance with our standing as a club.
We suffered in the CL final due to having nobody to bring on for Mo despite having no injuries in the forward squad, and the same happened in relation to Bobby in Barcelona.
Let's hope the penny has dropped at LFC HQ and in Boston, because if it hasn't it won't only be the trophy chances, but also the pounds that will suffer.
I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.No, they don't. Most people seem to want 1 big signing for our front 3, some have suggested 2. That would be absolutely fine.
Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster might not be good enough to be that 4th player but they are good enough to make a telling contribution.
What are you suggesting, that we sign 3 new expensive forwards? Have I got that right?
Right, so most people are asking for the same thing as you, hence the confusion as to who you were aiming the earlier post at.I'm saying we need to sign two quality forwards, one dedicated and maybe one that can also operate as an attacking midfielder.
I think we need a senior 20 man squad, all of whom can play a decent amount of games (unlike Moreno, Sturridge), with the likes of Brewster and Wilson needing to prove themselves before being considered part of the 20 in future seasons (personally I'd loan them out). A couple of senior keepers and a third young keeper makes it 25.
In that 20, we need versatility but essentially 7 or 8 defenders, 6 midfielders, 6 forwards. If we go with 7 defenders, we can have an extra midfield to allow the covering of defence by midfielders without reducing midfield options.
There is overlap in midfield and attack resource allocation, not least because we always play 4 defenders but sometimes 3 CMS and 3 forwards, sometimes 2 CMS and 4 forwards.
Fab, Hendo, Gini and Milner are four CM's proper for a minimum of two positions. Keita and Oxlade are more attack minded CMs, but not really viable front three rotation players.
The forward squad would be Bobby, Mo, Mane, new guy, new guy, Shaqiri.
Of the current 13 senior midfielders/forwards, excluding Ings/Grujic, we sell Lallana, Origi and release Sturridge, and sign two quality players.
Depending what we do in defence, with Moreno, Clyne and possibly Lovren departing, we decide whether to have a 13th senior player in midfield/attack next season, as we have had in the second half of this season.
I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.That's not really how it works.
The rest of our league is still stronger than theirs. Compare the players of Wolves, Leicester, Everton, Watford and West Ham to Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Werder, Fortuna and Hertha. The English clubs very clearly have the better players, as they should because they have far more money to spend.
If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2.I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.
And if you think teams like Wolves and Leicester are certainly better than Hoffenheim or Wolfs just because they have a few better players (and that's debatable), I think you should watch the Germany teams a little bit more, you'd be surprised. Money and players are not everything, otherwise Roma wouldn't have beaten Barcelona and United wouldn't look horrible. There's also Ajax as another good example that tactics > money. Frankfurt are in EL semi-final, Salzburg had their chances vs Napoli, etc.
Imo, Premier League have 6 great teams, 2, maybe 3 good teams and after that I can't see anything especial or different than Bundesliga.
More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lolMore money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Out top 6 is way better, of course they are going to lose much more, it makes total sense.Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol
Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.
I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
If you put an English team in Bundesliga they would also have to change. That's part of the business.If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2.
Oh, I have no doubt about it but the nature of French league is such that only PSG can keep their prized assets. Maybe Aouar won't leave this summer (and I think he most likely won't) but if the offer is right, who knows. That said, Ndombele is probably more likely to leave but I'd keep an eye on Aouar.Is it even worth asking that?
Lyon won't let this 'kid' go and when they do Lyon are going to ask a kings ransom.
This presumes I actually care which league is better, maybe due to national pride or whatever. I couldn't care any less.I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.
I think we could probably rule out centre backs. No way we're after Jason Denayar or Jose Fonte. Then there's two Brazilians, one a thirty one year old uncapped journeyman and an uncapped twenty one year old.@rab, I think that Real Madrid's press released a story about Zidane making Ferland Mendy his first choice left back target for this summer. Not sure about the rest, all of them are good players but I always think of how Klopp is loyal to his players - Aouar might be a target for him but could he play on the wing? I don't think Klopp will be looking to sign a central midfielder with the sort of money he has already invested in Keita and AOC... I also wonder if there was maybe a centre back his scouts were watching.
Worth another mention.After a really slow start, I have become really impressed with Lucas Moura the past 6 weeks or so. He didnt arrive with the greatest reputation for aptitude, but everytime I have seen him in this current run he has looked 100% a Klopp player. I think he was arguably the best player on the pitch when we beat them a few weeks ago.