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I find maybe 1 other team better (Wolves), but after that things are very even, to say the least. Also, if you think only about players and money,, not about teams, you will miss too much. I'd never imagined a team composed of Milner, Gini and Henderson would trash City with Fernandinho, Silva and KDB, for example. Bundesliga look like a very good league with very interesting teams like Hoffenheim and Monchengladbach, for example.

And if you think teams like Wolves and Leicester are certainly better than Hoffenheim or Wolfs just because they have a few better players (and that's debatable), I think you should watch the Germany teams a little bit more, you'd be surprised. Money and players are not everything, otherwise Roma wouldn't have beaten Barcelona and United wouldn't look horrible. There's also Ajax as another good example that tactics > money. Frankfurt are in EL semi-final, Salzburg had their chances vs Napoli, etc.

Imo, Premier League have 6 great teams, 2, maybe 3 good teams and after that I can't see anything especial or different than Bundesliga.

More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2. :)
 

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More money, better players, it means nothing if you can't do a proper job. And the Germany teams have been doing good bar a few disapointments.
Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol

Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.

I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 

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@rab, I think that Real Madrid's press released a story about Zidane making Ferland Mendy his first choice left back target for this summer. Not sure about the rest, all of them are good players but I always think of how Klopp is loyal to his players - Aouar might be a target for him but could he play on the wing? I don't think Klopp will be looking to sign a central midfielder with the sort of money he has already invested in Keita and AOC... I also wonder if there was maybe a centre back his scouts were watching.
 

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Losing 7 out of 9 games against the English? lol

Tactics are important, so are good players. There's nothing to suggest the German league is tactically superior but everything to suggest the English sides have the better players.

I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Out top 6 is way better, of course they are going to lose much more, it makes total sense.

There's also nothing to sugggest that the bottom 7 are not as good as the English. But from what I've been seeing for the past 2 years (and I watch a fair amount of Bundesliga), I can't see any difference at all and in fact, as I said before, the Germany have are more versatile tactically, more teams playing with different setups. United are the living proof that more money and even better players (and as I said before, very debatable if you think about bottom 7) are not a guaratee of a better team.

That's the way I see things. All of it pure especulation.

I'll leave it here too.

If you put a german team in the EPL and they didn't completely change their tactics, philosophy and intensity I reckon they wouldn't fare better than Huddersfield. Most would end up in league 1 or 2. :)
If you put an English team in Bundesliga they would also have to change. That's part of the business.

The biggest issue I have with people who support English teams is thinking that EPL clubs are much better than others. They are not. The top 6 is clearly way ahead, but after that you could compare Bundesliga and La Liga easily. Money and good players won't bring you the best team. It will help for sure, but there's also a lot more to it.

If Bundesliga was such a weak league, people like Sané, KDB, Gundogan, Keita wouldn't be at top clubs in EPL. Also, the likes of Havertz, Brandt, Bailey, Jovic, Upamecano and Thorgan Hazard wouldn't be scouted. And there are many more. Lots of good prospects but above all, lots of good teams too.

I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.
 

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Is it even worth asking that?
Lyon won't let this 'kid' go and when they do Lyon are going to ask a kings ransom.
Oh, I have no doubt about it but the nature of French league is such that only PSG can keep their prized assets. Maybe Aouar won't leave this summer (and I think he most likely won't) but if the offer is right, who knows. That said, Ndombele is probably more likely to leave but I'd keep an eye on Aouar.
 

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I dislike this kind of presumption. It's very arrogant and narrow-minded.
This presumes I actually care which league is better, maybe due to national pride or whatever. I couldn't care any less.

I love German football, the way it's ran, the stadiums, the matchday experience. It all blows English footy out of the water.

The teams aren't as good though. That's my opinion, you have yours. No problem.
 

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@rab, I think that Real Madrid's press released a story about Zidane making Ferland Mendy his first choice left back target for this summer. Not sure about the rest, all of them are good players but I always think of how Klopp is loyal to his players - Aouar might be a target for him but could he play on the wing? I don't think Klopp will be looking to sign a central midfielder with the sort of money he has already invested in Keita and AOC... I also wonder if there was maybe a centre back his scouts were watching.
I think we could probably rule out centre backs. No way we're after Jason Denayar or Jose Fonte. Then there's two Brazilians, one a thirty one year old uncapped journeyman and an uncapped twenty one year old.

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I would not buy Sessegnon. For me the biggest gamble there is, kind of reminds me of how Shaun Wright-Phillips burst on the scene at the same age and then burned out when he hit 22

Not worth the gamble
 

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In the aftermath of performances like last night, it's tough to contemplate certain changes that previously were being discussed.

But you've got to step away from euphoria, or despair when that happens, and coldly look at what needs doing.

It's about who can perform at the level we need, where and when we need it, against who we need it.

Centre back is a difficult one because Matip is playing so well, Gomez looked superb there and Lovren is a character, a dedicated servant who is great on his day but prone to mishaps. But we have to consider the fact that VVD can rarely be rested and that three centre backs are injury prone. We also might consider that full back cover could come from a change at centre back.

At full back it's tough to contemplate TAA and Andy not playing too much, but at the same time the demands of the position mean you've got to rest them a certain proportion of the time. Plus you have to ensure that if they get injured the whole game plan doesn't unravel.

In midfield, we have to consider Milner's longevity, and succession plan a bit.

Up top it's about having genuine quality alternatives so that we can rest the front three more.

In addition to keeping us competitive in the CL and PL, depth also increase our chances in domestic cups.

As we wake us this morning I still think that those out on loan should stay on loan or be sold. I still think Moreno and Sturridge need to go and that Lallana probably needs to go too. Lovren is the obvious centre back to make way.

Origi is the one who is starting to change minds, the advantage with him being that he's rare in being a tall guy who can be a target man and play wide.

So a couple of new defenders would be on the cards, especially if Milner stays as further full back cover. If we stick with 7 defenders and 6 midfielders (including Oxlade), then there's a place for Shaqiri as a attacking midfielder come forward plus 6 other forwards.

For me a couple of quality forwards definitely remain on the agenda, especially with the need to get a similar points tally in the PL to be able to win it.
 

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Well here's some weird coincidence which shows how good Klopp is... Wijnaldum, Robertson and Shaqiri, all 3 started for us against Barcelona and all of them came from a team relegated and we picked them out on a cheap. Maybe we should look at Fulham and who we could pinch?
 

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First XI (cover) for next season :

GK : Alisson (Mignolet)
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RB: Alexander-Arnold (_____)
RCB: Matip (Gomez)
LCB: Van Dijk (Lovren)
LB: Robertson (_____)
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CDM: Fabinho (Henderson)
CM: Wijnaldum (Keita)
CAM: _____ (Oxlade-Chamberlain)
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RW: Salah (Shaqiri)
CF: Firmino (_____)
LW: Mané (_____)

Three new players therefore required:
1) A creative, proven CAM able to earn a starting spot (Bruno Fernandes, Pablo Fornals, Nabil Fekir?). I feel this season we were lucky to get away with the lack of creativity in midfield, with some last-minute winners and a few lucky situations. Man City in the other hand always looked more confortable and convincing against stubborn defences.
2) A full-back able to cover for both sides (Djibril Sidibé, Kenny Lala?).
3) A forward capable of covering the three positions (Thorgan Hazard, Mark Uth?).

I would probably keep Milner and Origi at least one more season, and let go of Sturridge, Lallana and Moreno.
 

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After a really slow start, I have become really impressed with Lucas Moura the past 6 weeks or so. He didnt arrive with the greatest reputation for aptitude, but everytime I have seen him in this current run he has looked 100% a Klopp player. I think he was arguably the best player on the pitch when we beat them a few weeks ago.
Worth another mention.
 

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Personally think we may be only looking at full-back cover and a back-up to Mane/Salah. Big Div and Rhian seem to be set as the additional front men, Ox returning to bolster the midfield.
Unless someone unexpected leaves (why would they??) there seems little need for more.
Personally would be happy for Lovren and Lallana to move on but don't see that happening
 

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Think reaching the CL final means we have to wait a bit longer for reliable rumors.
 

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Well Fabinho signed 2 days after last years final. I expect we've wrapped up most deals already
But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
 

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But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
Think we will do our incoming business regardless of outgoing deals being completed yet.
 

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But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
I doubt it, we have historically bought before selling as not to have a hole in the squad.

Considering we need probably 2 first team ready players, why would our fringe players have any bearing on those as incomings?

I highly expect our approach is - buy in a quality player who becomes rotation for the first team (i.e. another wide forward) and then Lallana/Shaqiri etc. get offered the option to stay and be lower in the pecking order or be allowed to move on for 1st team football.
 

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Worth another mention.
Is he on loan at Spurs? Or did they sign him permanently? If the latter, we’ve got no chance. Spurs are (almost) peers, and they won’t sell anyone they don’t want to sell, especially to a rival, and if they are forced to sell, say due to contract reasons, they always seem to extract a pretty penny. If Moura is locked down on contract to them he will be there for the duration.

I do agree that he is a quality player, and would do well here.

If I was Pochettino I’d sell Kane and buy three players (sort of like their version of selling Coutinho and upgrading the team with the proceeds). It’s a risky move, but if the financial shackles are on the club due to having to pay for the stadium, that might be a bold move for them to consider.
 

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It gets tempting to say little needs doing, but we have punched above the weight of the squad in the CL and PL, partly because we rode our luck with injuries and didn't need to use squad players for extended periods. We also didn't go far in domestic cups using squad players and that has to be considered.

Do you rest on that, or look to ensure that if we get injuries to key people the season doesn't implode?

Win the PL or CL and we become even more of a scalp. Every match will be even more intense. We'll have to keep the energy in the side by rotation.

We could have Super Cup and Community Shield matches in August, whilst a quarter of the squad will have played long summer tournaments.

You've got to have 20 senior outfield players, and youngsters have to force their way into that 20 by proving themselves in lesser matches.

Defence is a separate unit, I'm not sure if we'll go with 7 or 8 and how rotatable they'll be, but in midfield/attack we need 12 or 13 rotatable players.

Take the five CMs, add the front three, plus Oxlade (who straddles both departments). That's nine players who are definitely good enough to play regularly, for six positions, which isn't enough.

At the next level down, Origi and Shaqiri offer something, but Lallana is yesterday's man. Sturridge is gone.

You'd maybe have one or two of them in an ideal squad, but 25% of your midfield/forward squad?

It didn't feel for a lot of this season that we were blessed with rotatable attacking midfield and forward cover, especially in those cup defeats and when forwards really needed resting in the intense runs.

So for me one midfield or forward signing isn't enough. If we don't sign anyone there and just keep what we have plus promote Brewster to take Sturridge's place, that will be disappointing.

We have to keep improving the quality of our depth.
 
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Wow... Luka Jovic. The more I see of him, the more I'm convinced we need to either buy him or make sure none of our rivals get him. He would be a golden boot threat wherever he went.

That Man City are rumoured to be scouting him scares me! Hope we get him or he otherwise goes to Real Madrid.
 

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Wow... Luka Jovic. The more I see of him, the more I'm convinced we need to either buy him or make sure none of our rivals get him. He would be a golden boot threat wherever he went.

That Man City are rumoured to be scouting him scares me! Hope we get him or he otherwise goes to Real Madrid.
Reckon he's going to Real. Class player but not sure he'd suit us tbh.