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Well Fabinho signed 2 days after last years final. I expect we've wrapped up most deals already
But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
 

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But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
Think we will do our incoming business regardless of outgoing deals being completed yet.
 

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But what does 'most deals' in our case mean?

IMO most of our business depends on the future of players like Mignolet, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Origi.

Mignolet probably the only one from them who knows that he won't stay. Milner might want to wait what happens with Leeds.
I doubt it, we have historically bought before selling as not to have a hole in the squad.

Considering we need probably 2 first team ready players, why would our fringe players have any bearing on those as incomings?

I highly expect our approach is - buy in a quality player who becomes rotation for the first team (i.e. another wide forward) and then Lallana/Shaqiri etc. get offered the option to stay and be lower in the pecking order or be allowed to move on for 1st team football.
 

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Worth another mention.
Is he on loan at Spurs? Or did they sign him permanently? If the latter, we’ve got no chance. Spurs are (almost) peers, and they won’t sell anyone they don’t want to sell, especially to a rival, and if they are forced to sell, say due to contract reasons, they always seem to extract a pretty penny. If Moura is locked down on contract to them he will be there for the duration.

I do agree that he is a quality player, and would do well here.

If I was Pochettino I’d sell Kane and buy three players (sort of like their version of selling Coutinho and upgrading the team with the proceeds). It’s a risky move, but if the financial shackles are on the club due to having to pay for the stadium, that might be a bold move for them to consider.
 

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It gets tempting to say little needs doing, but we have punched above the weight of the squad in the CL and PL, partly because we rode our luck with injuries and didn't need to use squad players for extended periods. We also didn't go far in domestic cups using squad players and that has to be considered.

Do you rest on that, or look to ensure that if we get injuries to key people the season doesn't implode?

Win the PL or CL and we become even more of a scalp. Every match will be even more intense. We'll have to keep the energy in the side by rotation.

We could have Super Cup and Community Shield matches in August, whilst a quarter of the squad will have played long summer tournaments.

You've got to have 20 senior outfield players, and youngsters have to force their way into that 20 by proving themselves in lesser matches.

Defence is a separate unit, I'm not sure if we'll go with 7 or 8 and how rotatable they'll be, but in midfield/attack we need 12 or 13 rotatable players.

Take the five CMs, add the front three, plus Oxlade (who straddles both departments). That's nine players who are definitely good enough to play regularly, for six positions, which isn't enough.

At the next level down, Origi and Shaqiri offer something, but Lallana is yesterday's man. Sturridge is gone.

You'd maybe have one or two of them in an ideal squad, but 25% of your midfield/forward squad?

It didn't feel for a lot of this season that we were blessed with rotatable attacking midfield and forward cover, especially in those cup defeats and when forwards really needed resting in the intense runs.

So for me one midfield or forward signing isn't enough. If we don't sign anyone there and just keep what we have plus promote Brewster to take Sturridge's place, that will be disappointing.

We have to keep improving the quality of our depth.
 
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Wow... Luka Jovic. The more I see of him, the more I'm convinced we need to either buy him or make sure none of our rivals get him. He would be a golden boot threat wherever he went.

That Man City are rumoured to be scouting him scares me! Hope we get him or he otherwise goes to Real Madrid.
 

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Wow... Luka Jovic. The more I see of him, the more I'm convinced we need to either buy him or make sure none of our rivals get him. He would be a golden boot threat wherever he went.

That Man City are rumoured to be scouting him scares me! Hope we get him or he otherwise goes to Real Madrid.
Reckon he's going to Real. Class player but not sure he'd suit us tbh.
 

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Wow... Luka Jovic. The more I see of him, the more I'm convinced we need to either buy him or make sure none of our rivals get him. He would be a golden boot threat wherever he went.

That Man City are rumoured to be scouting him scares me! Hope we get him or he otherwise goes to Real Madrid.
Always a great topic, especially as with what JK has done there are few desperate obvious needs and we are talking about buys that may create one of the great teams of all time.

I don’t disagree with any of this talk but I have a different take on it. Milner and Henderson are men possessed under Klopp now. Match winners. Origi and Wijnalsum have joined (and perhaps exceeded) them. Klopp’s system is bringing the best out of players one might have expected to go elsewhere or remain on the fringe.

Nathaniel Clyne, if he’s smart, will come back. He has no need to worry about playing time - when you’re in the contest for the EPL and the Champions (and the FA in a year or 2) depth and variety are critical and you will inevitably get plenty of game time, no question ...game time in a club going places, one that demands the best of you and one that gives you opportunities you won’t get elsewhere to play with the greatest players going around in the best competitions there are.

This is how the triple trophy United and the Arsenal invincibles sides worked. Rotation, multiple successful combinations that only strengthen over time. A system that unifies players even if they are forming say a new midfield combination for the first time. Multiple successful combinations that give the boss the options he needs to outthink his opponents.

We need to celebrate the Sturridges, Origis, Wijnalsuma, Clynes, Camachos, Matips, Lovrens, etc etc even if they aren’t seen as the first stringers. In fact we need to be thinking of having 2, 3 or 4 first string sides. And I’d take Coutinho back in a heartbeat because of his ability to fit such a dynamic system - a special player who can change tactics and adapt to different combinations successfully.

So while it’s great to consider buying a Timo Werner or a Nabil Fekir, I’d just as soon look at the extreme talent currently building under Jürgen Klopp’s system. Daniel Sturridge is quality. If he stays he’ll become a game changer.
 
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Always a great topic, especially as with what JK has done there are few desperate obvious needs and we are talking about buys that may create one of the great teams of all time.

I don’t disagree with any of this talk but I have a different take on it. Milner and Henderson are men possessed under Klopp now. Match winners. Origi and Wijnalsum have joined (and perhaps exceeded) them. Klopp’s system is bringing the best out of players one might have expected to go elsewhere or remain on the fringe.

Nathaniel Clyne, if he’s smart, will come back. He has no need to worry about playing time - when you’re in the contest for the EPL and the Champions (and the FA in a year or 2) depth and variety are critical and you will inevitably get plenty of game time, no question ...game time in a club going places, one that demands the best of you and one that gives you opportunities you won’t get elsewhere to play with the greatest players going around in the best competitions there are.

This is how the triple trophy United and the Arsenal invincibles sides worked. Rotation, multiple successful combinations that only strengthen over time. A system that unifies players even if they are forming say a new midfield combination for the first time. Multiple successful combinations that give the boss the options he needs to outthink his opponents.

We need to celebrate the Sturridges, Origis, Wijnalsuma, Clynes, Camachos, Matips, Lovrens, etc etc even if they aren’t seen as the first stringers. In fact we need to be thinking of having 2, 3 or 4 first string sides. And I’d take Coutinho back in a heartbeat because of his ability to fit such a dynamic system - a special player who can change tactics and adapt to different combinations successfully.

So while it’s great to consider buying a Timo Werner or a Nabil Fekir, I’d just as soon look at the extreme talent currently building under Jürgen Klopp’s system. Daniel Sturridge is quality. If he stays he’ll become a game changer.
I understand what you are trying to say but I don't agree at all. Daniel Sturridge, if he stays, will likely not become a game changer because he has lost his pace.

Likewise, while Klopp is a great coach... certain players have limited upside that no matter how good the coaching is, will be very hard to change. For example, we brought in Alisson because Migs wasn't going to get to his level even with coaching. Same too when we brought in VVD because none of our CBs at the time seemed likely to get to his level.

It's like a hospital that hires the world's best surgeon... and because he is soooo good, he doesn't need to use the best instruments to perform a successful surgery. So should the hospital save on his tools and his surgical team (which could inevitably handicap him and bring his performance in line with his peers)? Or should they provide him the best tools and team they can afford so he can save more lives and perform to his best?

We can improve on Sturridge, Clyne, etc. and build a more competitive squad... so (ignoring other factors that could impact this decision) we generally should improve on them.
 

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Players I would like sold:

1. Sturridge
2. Lallana
3. Moreno
4. Lovren
5. Grujic
6. Bogdan
7. Danny Ings
8. Ojo
9. Kent
10. Chirivella
11. Karius

Players I would like brought in:

1. Matthijs De ligt
2. Nicolas Pepe
3. Ruben Vinagre
4. Kai Havertz


2019/2020 Squad

KEEPERS
1. Alisson
2. Mignolet

DEFENDERS
3. Trent
4. Clyne
5. Van Djik
6. De Ligt
7. Gomes
8. Matip
9. Robertson
10. Vinagre

MIDFIELDERS
11. Fabinho
12. Henderson
13. Gini
14. Keita
15. Oxlade
16. Milner
17. Wilson
18. Havertz

FORWARDS
19. Salah
20. Firmino
21. Mane
22. Pepe
23. Brewster
24. Divock
 

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Well it looks like you were right so far @RedForever2014

Origi's not capable to fill in for Firmino even against the likes of Huddersfield never mind Barcelona. Hes not got the quality we need in the decisive games.

We've desperately missed Clyne. If only we'd kept him since January we may have still been competing for the Premier league on the last day of the season and probably would have qualified for the champions league final!

Insert lots of winky emojis here to show my playful nature.

However i agree with you. It goes without saying that we need to sign new players in the summer. You always strive to improve on your previous season and squad.
 

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Are you saying that teams raise their game when they are facing the champions?

It sure hasn’t looked like it when City have been playing this season. Most clubs just roll over for them.
That's a fair point. But I wonder if it would be the same if it was us.

Well it looks like you were right so far @RedForever2014

Origi's not capable to fill in for Firmino even against the likes of Huddersfield never mind Barcelona. Hes not got the quality we need in the decisive games.

We've desperately missed Clyne. If only we'd kept him since January we may have still been competing for the Premier league on the last day of the season and probably would have qualified for the champions league final!

Insert lots of winky emojis here to show my playful nature.

However i agree with you. It goes without saying that we need to sign new players in the summer. You always strive to improve on your previous season and squad.
Origi has surprised us all, but there is a big difference in filling in for a few games and an extended run of games if one of the front three were injured for an extended period.

Do you think we'd be competing for the title until the last day of the season, if we'd been playing Origi and Shaqiri in most matches over the past two months?

Good players, who I personally like, but you need better quality as the next in line after the front three.

As to Clyne, I'll give you that one, although even then one never knows what result could have been different, so we'd be going into the last day in control of it, if he'd been around. We suffered against Leicester at home in the PL in January down the right defensive flank, and it unnerved the whole side.

We have done brilliantly, but it's been because our squad has not been tested over an extended run by the sort of injuries other top clubs have had.

All I'm saying is don't navel gaze, keeping improving, others will.
 

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That's a fair point. But I wonder if it would be the same if it was us.



Origi has surprised us all, but there is a big difference in filling in for a few games and an extended run of games if one of the front three were injured for an extended period.

Do you think we'd be competing for the title until the last day of the season, if we'd been playing Origi and Shaqiri in most matches over the past two months?

Good players, who I personally like, but you need better quality as the next in line after the front three.

As to Clyne, I'll give you that one, although even then one never knows what result could have been different, so we'd be going into the last day in control of it, if he'd been around. We suffered against Leicester at home in the PL in January down the right defensive flank, and it unnerved the whole side.

We have done brilliantly, but it's been because our squad has not been tested over an extended run by the sort of injuries other top clubs have had.

All I'm saying is don't navel gaze, keeping improving, others will.
The issue against Leicester wasnt solely down to injuries to right back, but a wider one across the back and midfield and poor weather conditions. Of bigger consequence were the poor refereeing decisions.

Same as in the cup game against Wolves were we had to put together a rag tag of back up and youth players because of injuries who had never played together. We played badly but only really went out to a worldy by Neves.

We have had extended injuries like the other clubs.
 

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You've got to have 20 senior outfield players, and youngsters have to force their way into that 20 by proving themselves in lesser matches.

Defence is a separate unit, I'm not sure if we'll go with 7 or 8 and how rotatable they'll be, but in midfield/attack we need 12 or 13 rotatable players.
I think you over state that. City is the side many look to as a the gold standard of strength in depth, yet we have used more players for a decent amount of minutes than they have this season. That midfield and attack group that you think needs 12-13 rotatable players, City have just 10 players for that group of 6 positions (Silva, Silva, KdB, Fernando, Gundogan, Jesus, Kun, Sterling, Sane, Mahrez). And of that group, Jesus and Mahrez are a big come down from the rest.

The situation with those two I think speaks to the reality is that it is very difficult to build a squad that allows you to get much out of players 17-25. That isn't an issue of the cost of buying players with sufficient quality. It is far more an issue of how difficult it is to extend import roles out past a smaller core of players and the difficulty of performing reliably on limited time, as is the requirement for players outside of that core. We have enough players in terms of raw numbers. I think what we need is to bring in players who can offer better contributions from that fringe than the likes of Moreno and Sturridge.
 
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Without Firmino + Salah + Keita and lost Robertson through injury after 45mins..

Que?
Note, a part of the path to that game required us to play with 2 senior CBS injured and a third, the lynchpin, suspended. We are also currently on the 3rd highest point total in top flight history, will possibly get to the 2nd highest ever, despite going through a period of the season with 3 CBs out simultaneously and one RB. Our captain has been in and out of the side all season because of various niggling injuries. Our 50 million pound midfield transformer, the guy we waited on for 12 months because he was such a good fit, has had it even ever worse.
 

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GK - Grabara to step up and be a #3, If Mignolet decides that he wants regular football, All for getting in an experienced keeper as backup.

Defense
Backup to Robertson - while Milner has the ability to depute at a pinch, He's getting on the years himself and he might even go to Leeds if those lot get promoted to see out the rest of his career. I'd be looking at Sessegnon (who can depute both robbo and play as a winger if need be.
Backup to CB - To compete at all competitions the next year, including FA and League Cups, Liverpool need to have more reliability in their CB's going forward. Even keeping Lovren, Matip for one more year. we are still short of one defender especially considering that 3 off our 4 CB's with the exception of VVD seem to have persistent injury problems. Fabinho can probably do a damn fine job in defense but i'd rather have him as a midfield enforcer
Backup to Trent - How far along are the likes of Camacho , Ki-Jana Hoever in terms of development from their youth academy ? we really need backups to our lb/rb? Yes Gomez can do a job there but that brings us back to this past year when we got ourselves into trouble when he limped off injured. Fabinho again does a job here but i'd rather have him in midfield

Midfield
This is one department where we are stocked. Could do with adding some quality though. Get Grujic back from Loan. The likes of Ox, Keita coming back fit from injury and where we have Fabinho, Gini, Milner ,Henderson. Taking it as a given that we're letting Lallana leave , the likes of Grujic, woodburn and wilson should be enough in terms of replacing him.

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Backup and Competition for Salah and Mane. Shaqiri is essentially an impact sub. Need someone who can press them hard. Sessegnon might be filling in for Mane in a pinch but this is something that is needed. Both Salah and Mane have been proven to be wasteful at times and a good backup winger who can play with relative ease on both sides is an absolute requirement. Not sure if that's Brandt but that's what the rumours seem to be saying. I'd even like a Neres type signing here.

Rhiaan Brewster and Origi to provide backup in the central role. while they won't be offering the same style of play as Bobby does, No one probably can do that. But both of them should be lining up to play games across the forward line to prove themselves.

One LB(Sessegnon),One Backup Keeper(Providing Mignolet wants out), One RB, One CB(To cover for Injuries as our present lot seem to get injured often), a backup winger to Mane and Salah. Brewster essentially is a new signing for the forward line.
 

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Without Firmino + Salah + Keita and lost Robertson through injury after 45mins..

Que?
Extended run - the point is would we cope with using Origi and Shaqiri over an extended run?

If we'd lost Bobby, Mo or Mane for much of the run in, how would we have coped?

No need to bait and ridicule about a simple question.

Nobody is saying they can't contribute. Personally I think Origi could be an ideal squad player as a tall 9 option and wide man.

But we really need at least one similar level quality alternative to the front three.
 

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We need to beat Newcastle for the signing of Dan James from Swansea who is an LFC supporter anyway but he ran rings around the Shitty players in the FA cup
 

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We need to beat Newcastle for the signing of Dan James from Swansea who is an LFC supporter anyway but he ran rings around the Shitty players in the FA cup
He's just a speed merchant isn't he or does he have more to his game?
 

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He's just a speed merchant isn't he or does he have more to his game?
Watching him against shitty he took on their defense one on one with speed as well as good dribbling skills and something that might appeal to Klopp is his willingness to defend when his team did not have the ball.
 

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That's a fair point. But I wonder if it would be the same if it was us.



Origi has surprised us all, but there is a big difference in filling in for a few games and an extended run of games if one of the front three were injured for an extended period.

Do you think we'd be competing for the title until the last day of the season, if we'd been playing Origi and Shaqiri in most matches over the past two months?

Good players, who I personally like, but you need better quality as the next in line after the front three.

As to Clyne, I'll give you that one, although even then one never knows what result could have been different, so we'd be going into the last day in control of it, if he'd been around. We suffered against Leicester at home in the PL in January down the right defensive flank, and it unnerved the whole side.

We have done brilliantly, but it's been because our squad has not been tested over an extended run by the sort of injuries other top clubs have had.

All I'm saying is don't navel gaze, keeping improving, others will.

Which is exactly what Klopp and the club will and what every single person on this forum wants and expects too.
You have to constantly improve as a team and a club , every single one of us knows that.
 

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Seen a lot of hype for him but just 4 goals this season - Harry Wilson has 15 this season in the same division (and they are a similar age)
Good point but I am not sure Wilson would come back to sit on the bench as cover for Salah and he has another skill over James is his ability to score from dead ball situations but we already have Shaquiri and TAA for that? Don’t get me wrong I would love Wilson back as a first team player.
 

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Watching him against shitty he took on their defense one on one with speed as well as good dribbling skills and something that might appeal to Klopp is his willingness to defend when his team did not have the ball.
Signing for Utd apparantly (well accordingly to sky sports).
 

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Defense:
I will promote Adam Lewis as the substitute for Robertson regarding LB, and remove Moreno; however, Lloyd Kelly could be considered as well. For RB, I am tempted to give Clyne another chance as a substitute for Trent, but at the same time I want to use him as part of a deal to buy Maddison. For now, my decision is to promote Hoever and Camacho, since I lack knowledge of cheap, quality back-up options for RB, and Wan Bissaka will be very pricey. The main purchases will be for CB positions. Mathis De Ligt seems to be the most obvious choice, however we already have Gomez for the same position. If we decide to play Gomez as a full-time CB and stop playing him as RB (from what I have seen, he usually caught injuries when playing as RB not as CB), a cheaper Klavan-style substitute option (Nathan Ake e.g.) is the way to go.

Midfield:
Sell Lallana, of course. I will try to buy James Maddison from Leicester, and will include either Lallana or Lallana + Clyne to reduce the cash payment. James Maddison really impresses me as a creative midfielder. Actually, he leads the League this season in terms of key passes per game (2.8) and total chances created (98), exceeding every single Liverpool midfielder. Also, he is a home-grown player and since at least two of our home-grown players will leave the club this summer, there will be a gap to fill. If Maddison does not flop next season (well, like Henderson in his first season here), Jordan Henderson will almost certainly go to the bench. If the Maddison deal fails, I will buy Julian Brandt, but it may take time for him to adjust to EPL like in the case of Fabinho, and if so Henderson will be still my No.8 starter in the medium term.

Forward:
Bring back Harry Wilson and use him as a substitute for Mane. However, either Ziyech or Neres will be considered, but I will probably go with Ziyech. Brewster and Origi will be used as Firmino's backup. The same will be applied to Shaqiri regarding Salah's position. Sturridge must go.

Starting 11:
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TAA - Gomez - Van Dijk - Robertson
AOC - Fabinho - Maddison/Brandt/Henderson (the midfield formation will similar to the one in our home demolition of City last year CL)
Salah - Firmino - Mane
 

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What also needs to be remembered in our squad planning for next season, is that if we do win the Champions League, we could be competing for seven trophies next season.

1. Premier League - 38 matches.
2. Champions League - minimum 6 matches, up to 13 matches.
3. FA Cup - up to 6 matches.
4. League Cup - up to 6 matches.
5. Community Shield - 1 match in August (if City win the FA Cup or we win the title).
6. UEFA Super Cup - 1 match in August (if we win the Champions League).
7. FIFA World Club Championship - up to 4 matches in December (if we win the Champions League).

That would be a minimum of 50 matches, maximum of 69 matches. This would include a December trip to the World Club Championship, just before the crucial Xmas period.

Several of our top players will also have played tournaments in the summer.

We struggled with fatigue this Jan/Feb, Klopp said so himself, so if we do win the CL, we might need to consider carrying a larger squad next season than the 19 or 20 outfield players we've had the past couple of seasons.

Youngsters like Wilson and Brewster can make up the numbers, but in such a scenario my view is that you'd need them on top of 20 senior outfield players, not as part of the 20 man main senior outfield squad.
 

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I'm thinking not too many additions but just enough to freshen up the squad. Big Virg's Dutch national teammate Matthijs de Ligt would fit the bill for another centre back. Could see another attacking midfielder option, maybe try again for Lyon's Nabil Fekir or Real's Marco Asensio. We could also look to strengthen our forward line, our 3 amigos aren't injury proof, so we could enquire about Lille's Nicolas Pepe or, and why not, PSG's Edinson Cavani. He says he wants to play in the EPL, so why not, he's a proven goalscorer. All the above, of course, would depend on whether we have the appropriate funds to complete the deals.