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If De Light comes, I think he'll play almost every minute of our CB slots without rotation (much like VVD does now). If he's good enough, so be it and Gomez may need to be content with sitting on the bench for a season at least (he should move on if he's not a regular starter).
 

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I don't understand the love in for DeLigt. He is a good player no doubt but has shown nothing to think he will be as good as Gomez who we already have. He isn't anywhere near as athletic or shown the splitting forward passing ability.There is a reason we have conceded more goals in the second half of the season than the first half. People forget so quickly and get starry eyed watching a few CL games.
Even if you love the guy CB is hardly a priority for us. A backup RB certainly is as is another quality midfielder or even 2 if Lallana and another depart. We also really need another wide player backup as our options when Mane or Salah are out are a massive drop off in quality. There is only so much money we have to spend so spending it unwisely on a big name is the sort of recruiting Man U do. We have been a bit smarter than that.
 

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Can we possibly buy Conor Coady from Wolves as a CB bench option? Because it is likely that Lovren will be sold this summer.

A backup RB certainly is as is another quality midfielder or even 2 if Lallana and another depart
Maddison, and either Ziyech or Neres. For Maddison, we can offer Lallana and even Clyne (if the guy refuses to be a RB backup) to reduce cash payment. Maddison is probably the biggest English midfield talent for years, and since Leicester tactics also emphasize pressing and counter-attack, he will probably adapt quickly to our game.

I used to think about Rabiot because he will be a free agent, but backed away after reading about some of his conflicts with his own club. There is not guarantee that such issues will not happen again if we buy him.

Ziyech or Neres, I would probably choose Ziyech since he is mainly a left winger, and we need a left winger as a back up for Mane as we already have Shaqiri on the right wing. However, Harry Wilson will have me think twice before buying Ziyech.

A cheap RB option, do you guys know any? Because Wan Bissaka will cost us at least £30m.
 

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If De Light comes, I think he'll play almost every minute of our CB slots without rotation (much like VVD does now). If he's good enough, so be it and Gomez may need to be content with sitting on the bench for a season at least (he should move on if he's not a regular starter).
We will be guaranteed to play at least 46 games next season and possibly anywhere up to 69. If we played 2 CBs for every minute those two players would likely end up injury riddled at some point in their careers. We are already playing VvD too much and every now and again post match talk has listed his performance as "not quite his dominating best"! We want him to dominate and own games? We need to keep him fresh! Will be even more important with a young player like De Ligt new to the league and team and needing to settle into Klopps tactics. Gomez would still get plenty of game time if we bought the Dutch lad. There'd probably be plenty of game time for Matip still too and a couple of development chances for Hoever. VvD has been played too much but has still only played 48 times this season and will probably end the season on 50. If we were to try and play him for 60+ we might end up breaking one of our top players.
 

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Actually I never believe that this De Ligt hypetrain would have been that huge had Gomez avoided his injury in the Burnley match while playing as RB. I don't know why but Gomez seemed to always get injured while playing as wing-back.
"Seemed to always"? Either he always gets injured when he plays at RB or he doesn't. I would say he doesn't. If that actually is a problem then we could play some one else at RB when resting Trent. Maybe Camacho, or buy a back-up RB without breaking the bank.
I get your point, we could rely on our Academy players coming through to save us money, but there's no guarantees of them coming good and settling in. I'm not saying it can't happen because we have such a player in the side now, namely our right back TA-A, but these players don't come through that often. I'm all for our club saving big bucks, but our current first team squad has been stretched to the limits on a few occasions this season. Our squad needs strengthening both in players and quality of player.
I'm not saying "rely on our academy players". I mentioned one academy player to point out that we do have four CBs even if we sold Lovren. But of course if we sell then we should buy someone experienced as a replacement.
If De Light comes, I think he'll play almost every minute of our CB slots without rotation (much like VVD does now). If he's good enough, so be it and Gomez may need to be content with sitting on the bench for a season at least (he should move on if he's not a regular starter).
So you're willing to bin Gomez in favour of some 19 year old who has limited experience, would cost a ridiculous amount, and might not develop into the great player that people seem to assume he'll become. Maybe Hoever will be that great player. So why don't we stand by our players and give them opportunities to develop instead of jumping at the flavour of the month?
 

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If De Light comes, I think he'll play almost every minute of our CB slots without rotation (much like VVD does now). If he's good enough, so be it and Gomez may need to be content with sitting on the bench for a season at least (he should move on if he's not a regular starter).
De Ligt won't be coming. Given the performances Gomez and Matip have had this season, and Hoever waiting in the wings it would be an un Klopp signing.
 

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De Ligt won't be coming. Given the performances Gomez and Matip have had this season, and Hoever waiting in the wings it would be an un Klopp signing.
CB is probably the second last thing to look at during this summer window with GK being the last one.
LB cover, RB cover, 1 or 2 attacking player (winger, number 10, number 8, striker - its confusing right now - to tell exactly what kind of player we will buy).
 

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I don't understand the love in for DeLigt. He is a good player no doubt but has shown nothing to think he will be as good as Gomez who we already have. He isn't anywhere near as athletic or shown the splitting forward passing ability.There is a reason we have conceded more goals in the second half of the season than the first half. People forget so quickly and get starry eyed watching a few CL games.
Even if you love the guy CB is hardly a priority for us. A backup RB certainly is as is another quality midfielder or even 2 if Lallana and another depart. We also really need another wide player backup as our options when Mane or Salah are out are a massive drop off in quality. There is only so much money we have to spend so spending it unwisely on a big name is the sort of recruiting Man U do. We have been a bit smarter than that.
What I think you're saying is we shouldn't spend big money like Manure, so how much do you think we forked out for Virg and Allison? We have to start using rotation in our defence and that means resting Virg from time to time, so who do you believe will cover for him. Lovren, if he's still with us, Matip or Gomez? Of those three I would say only Gomez stacks up for me, so I would definitely want to see another class centre back being brought in, even if it's not de Ligt.
 
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Didn't James Pearce or someone from the Echo say Lovren would not be sold this summer?
I know Kloppo likes Lovren, but I hope the Echo have it all wrong. I see Lovren as being too panicky to be one of our front line centre backs and would like to see him sold.
 

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Didn't James Pearce or someone from the Echo say Lovren would not be sold this summer?
Exactly.

And even if Lovren decides to leave we would probably replace him with another 'senior' option.

Matip is our most improved player this season and Gomez is the future but already had some very good performances at the start of the season. Makes no sense to 'punish' them by making them third and fourth choice.

What happened to our interest in Lloyd Kelly? Don’t know much about him but it was reported that he can play CB and Lb.
 

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What I think you're saying is we shouldn't spend big money like Manure, so how much do you think we forked out for Virg and Allison? We have to start using rotation in our defence and that means resting Virg from time to time, so who do you believe will cover for him. Lovren, if he's still with us, Matip or Gomez? Of those three I would say only Gomez stacks up for me, so I would definitely want to see another class centre back being brought in, even if it's not de Ligt.
If we are rotating out of choice, our current crop should be fine. Matip and Lovren had a relatively good record despite their ability to drop a clanger. That was also before we had Fabinho to give them added protection.
 

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Don't see any CB been bought this summer. Think Klopp is happy with what he has got. Nothing wrong with Lovern been your fourth choice CB. Three of them might be suspect to injury but i feel klopp sees other areas as priority.

Cover for Robertson is one i think Klopp sees as more important. Need to find somone who knows he is not going to take Robertson's place in the team but happy to be there.

I think high up in the list is a number 10 who is good enough to come into the first eleven to give Klopp a different option to the way we can play. A bonus if they can also do a job on the wing.

A winger who can rotate with either Mane or Salah when they need resting. Who i think would be an ideal signing here would be Sancho or Hudson Odoi. English nationality who would be hungry and also believe in their capabilities that they could eventually break their way into the first eleven which would be important.

Think we will need to add a striker to the squad with Sturridge going. The type of striker we go for will depend on where Klopp sees Brewsters future in the team.
 
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Exactly.

And even if Lovren decides to leave we would probably replace him with another 'senior' option.

Matip is our most improved player this season and Gomez is the future but already had some very good performances at the start of the season. Makes no sense to 'punish' them by making them third and fourth choice.

What happened to our interest in Lloyd Kelly? Don’t know much about him but it was reported that he can play CB and Lb.
Sorry @GermanRed but I don't see centre backs being rotated as being 'PUNISHED'. When Virgil is rested during the coming season, as he should be, would you say he was being punished or that he was second choice? No, they would all be equal and rightly so. I believe we need another centre back of proven quality, it doesn't have to be de Ligt, to completely cover all eventualities during an arduous season to come. Think, if Virgil suffered a bad injury, what then?
 

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Sorry @GermanRed but I don't see centre backs being rotated as being 'PUNISHED'. When Virgil is rested during the coming season, as he should be, would you say he was being punished or that he was second choice? No, they would all be equal and rightly so. I believe we need another centre back of proven quality, it doesn't have to be de Ligt, to completely cover all eventualities during an arduous season to come. Think, if Virgil suffered a bad injury, what then?
If there is a CB to come in I think there is more of a chance it will be someone like Klaven who was there to cover for injuries than there is a chance of it been somone like de Ligt.
 

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If there is a CB to come in I think there is more of a chance it will be someone like Klaven who was there to cover for injuries than there is a chance of it been somone like de Ligt.
I go along with what you say. One thing for sure is that a Klaven-type player would certainly fit the bill and wouldn't cost the earth. The player would have to be an upgrade to Lovren, who I consider as being the weak link in our centre back line.
 

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Sorry @GermanRed but I don't see centre backs being rotated as being 'PUNISHED'. When Virgil is rested during the coming season, as he should be, would you say he was being punished or that he was second choice? No, they would all be equal and rightly so. I believe we need another centre back of proven quality, it doesn't have to be de Ligt, to completely cover all eventualities during an arduous season to come. Think, if Virgil suffered a bad injury, what then?
All 4 of our centre backs are proven quality, part of the best defence in the league, a quartet that's gotten to back to back cl finals. Do you honestly believe we couldn't rest virg next season at home to Norwich, Sheffield United, Brighton, Southampton etc? Of course we could, our defence is better because of more then just vvd, the keeper and fab being huge reasons. The confidence defensively is in the whole team now. I'd nearly guarantee you we won't see any change at cb this summer.
 

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All 4 of our centre backs are proven quality, part of the best defence in the league, a quartet that's gotten to back to back cl finals. Do you honestly believe we couldn't rest virg next season at home to Norwich, Sheffield United, Brighton, Southampton etc? Of course we could, our defence is better because of more then just vvd, the keeper and fab being huge reasons. The confidence defensively is in the whole team now. I'd nearly guarantee you we won't see any change at cb this summer.
I'll speak plain, no improvement in the squad, and that includes the defence, then we can all kiss goodbye to winning any silverware next season. Even under Shankly and Paisley the squad was always added to, although admittedly it didn't always improve the side. We need another defender who could cover full or centre back roles, an attacking midfielder, and another forward of proven goal scoring ability. Three additional players is what I see in freshening up our squad.
 

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I don't know why but I can't get the Echo website to stay on my iPad Mini. It continually crashes on me, but I managed to read some of it. It said we have to move fast in the coming summer transfer market and that there wouldn't be a significant increase in personnel coming through the Melwood door. All I am hoping for is good cover for Virgil and Gomez coming in because I am concerned if Virgil has a long term injury, it would completely scupper our season.
 

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Who i think would be an ideal signing here would be Sancho or Hudson Odoi. English nationality who would be hungry and also believe in their capabilities that they could eventually break their way into the first eleven which would be important
Hudson Odoi is currently injured, and Chelsea will not sell him because of their transfer ban, which suddenly gives him a role there.

Sancho is the one I'd love to buy but you will have to pay no less than £40 million to get him.

Brewster is Sancho and Foden's teammate during their U17 World Cup campaign which they won. If he is as talented as those two, he will catch up very quickly and if that is the case, there is no need for another CF. But until then, we may need to sign another striker.

I think high up in the list is a number 10 who is good enough to come into the first eleven to give Klopp a different option to the way we can play
I'd like to sign Maddison for our CAM position, and such a move also allows us to bin Lallana by putting him into the deal. If you want an English player who can start in our squad, then Maddison is the obvious target. He is good enough to drive Henderson and Gini to the bench as a No.8 player.

All I am hoping for is good cover for Virgil and Gomez coming in because I am concerned if Virgil has a long term injury, it would completely scupper our season
Maybe Conor Coady of Wolves, if you want a Klavan approach.
 

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But if were to buy de Ligt then what would happen to Gomez? I would prefer to grow our own where possible rather than buy expensive imports. In my view the partnership between VvD and Gomez should be allowed to flourish and bringing in some 19 year old wonderkid would have the opposite effect. We should offload Lovren and replace him with someone who doesn't expect regular first team football with us but would be glad to be part of LFC. I'm thinking James Tarkowski, despite him being a Mancunian.
You could have asked the same question of midfield last summer, when we added Fabinho and Keita to Gini, Hendo and Milner (and lost Can).

What happened?

All five of them saw plenty of football, all of them improved as players due to competition for places (except Milner who is already at peak), we didn't have the midfield injury crisis we had at the tail end of last season, and we had fresh rotatable players during the intense run in of midweek CL matches and must win PL weekend ones.

Gomez, Lovren and Matip have been injury prone during their time here. VVD is playing too much and may well become injury prone himself if it continues. We had a defensive injury crisis in Jan/Feb. It is very reasonable to consider how we can improve that situation.

For me the best way to improve our defensive squad to one of a similar situation to the midfield squad, would be to sell Lovren and sign a top quality centre back who isn't injury prone, who can deputise for VVD as well as play alongside. Gomez can play centre back sometimes and right back sometimes. We then sign a left back deputy for Robertson.

It is fair enough to consider replacing departing players with unproven youngsters, and carrying a light squad, as long as you are prepared to accept that you are risking your competitiveness, will probably end up over-using your best players, and that your season might well unravel if you get a few injuries to the wrong guys.

It seems to me that the goal posts are being slowly but surely moved.

It was said that we only need a 19 or 20 man senior outfield squad, instead of a 22 or 23 man one, because it's better to have a tighter group of versatile players of the right quality.

IMO we haven't reached that point anyway, and the replacing of the likes of Moreno, Sturridge, Lallana and maybe Lovren (possibly Shaqiri and Origi) this summer with better quality players was the next step in that.

But now it seems we're talking about there being several unproven youngsters in that 19 or 20.

This season two or three injuries at any one time, about the average you'd expect in a group of 20 players (10%), has meant the likes of Moreno appearing on the bench when almost any other alternative would be considered before he'd get on the pitch.

For me that has to improve, we have to have 20 proven, usable and senior outfield players as a minimum.

If the likes of Camacho, Brewster, Morgan, Wilson et al perform when called on, in the cups, or prove they're ready on loan, by all means promote them through to replace an outgoing senior player in the senior 20 man group.

But for me not adding to our quality senior depth this summer, as we should be doing, and actually taking out experienced pros and using unproven youth in that 20, would be taking risks with our on-going competitiveness in a season when we could end up playing seven competitions and 60+ matches.
 

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I don't know why but I can't get the Echo website to stay on my iPad Mini. It continually crashes on me, but I managed to read some of it. It said we have to move fast in the coming summer transfer market and that there wouldn't be a significant increase in personnel coming through the Melwood door. All I am hoping for is good cover for Virgil and Gomez coming in because I am concerned if Virgil has a long term injury, it would completely scupper our season.
Exactly why we need a De Ligt. Along with cover for LB and a number 10. Cant see us doing much more business than that.
 

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I said it last season and was mocked...

But I’d love to see us buy Grealish, Sessegnon and Werner.
 

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You could have asked the same question of midfield last summer, when we added Fabinho and Keita to Gini, Hendo and Milner (and lost Can).

What happened?

All five of them saw plenty of football, all of them improved as players due to competition for places (except Milner who is already at peak), we didn't have the midfield injury crisis we had at the tail end of last season, and we had fresh rotatable players during the intense run in of midweek CL matches and must win PL weekend ones.

Gomez, Lovren and Matip have been injury prone during their time here. VVD is playing too much and may well become injury prone himself if it continues. We had a defensive injury crisis in Jan/Feb. It is very reasonable to consider how we can improve that situation.

For me the best way to improve our defensive squad to one of a similar situation to the midfield squad, would be to sell Lovren and sign a top quality centre back who isn't injury prone, who can deputise for VVD as well as play alongside. Gomez can play centre back sometimes and right back sometimes. We then sign a left back deputy for Robertson.

It is fair enough to consider replacing departing players with unproven youngsters, and carrying a light squad, as long as you are prepared to accept that you are risking your competitiveness, will probably end up over-using your best players, and that your season might well unravel if you get a few injuries to the wrong guys.

It seems to me that the goal posts are being slowly but surely moved.

It was said that we only need a 19 or 20 man senior outfield squad, instead of a 22 or 23 man one, because it's better to have a tighter group of versatile players of the right quality.

IMO we haven't reached that point anyway, and the replacing of the likes of Moreno, Sturridge, Lallana and maybe Lovren (possibly Shaqiri and Origi) this summer with better quality players was the next step in that.

But now it seems we're talking about there being several unproven youngsters in that 19 or 20.

This season two or three injuries at any one time, about the average you'd expect in a group of 20 players (10%), has meant the likes of Moreno appearing on the bench when almost any other alternative would be considered before he'd get on the pitch.

For me that has to improve, we have to have 20 proven, usable and senior outfield players as a minimum.

If the likes of Camacho, Brewster, Morgan, Wilson et al perform when called on, in the cups, or prove they're ready on loan, by all means promote them through to replace an outgoing senior player in the senior 20 man group.

But for me not adding to our quality senior depth this summer, as we should be doing, and actually taking out experienced pros and using unproven youth in that 20, would be taking risks with our on-going competitiveness in a season when we could end up playing seven competitions and 60+ matches.
Couldn't have put your reasoning better myself @RedForever2014 The squad season after season always has to be improved, and I'm not talking of wholesale changes, but just two or three additions to our squad.
 

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Couldn't have put your reasoning better myself @RedForever2014 The squad season after season always has to be improved, and I'm not talking of wholesale changes, but just two or three additions to our squad.
Indeed. And we're now in the position whereby two or three quality additions a summer is all that's needed.

But we need them, we won't get the same points tally again if we don't and end up with over used players getting injured for long periods.
 

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Hudson Odoi is currently injured, and Chelsea will not sell him because of their transfer ban, which suddenly gives him a role there.

Sancho is the one I'd love to buy but you will have to pay no less than £40 million to get him.

Brewster is Sancho and Foden's teammate during their U17 World Cup campaign which they won. If he is as talented as those two, he will catch up very quickly and if that is the case, there is no need for another CF. But until then, we may need to sign another striker.


I'd like to sign Maddison for our CAM position, and such a move also allows us to bin Lallana by putting him into the deal. If you want an English player who can start in our squad, then Maddison is the obvious target. He is good enough to drive Henderson and Gini to the bench as a No.8 player.


Maybe Conor Coady of Wolves, if you want a Klavan approach.
Sturridge is definitely going to be gone and I think Lallana also. That is two homegrown players that are going to be gone from the squad which i think would need to be replaced with homgrown. Henderson and Milner are two homegrown players getting on in age, TAA and Brewster is still young so we are okay there.

Think we are going to have to search for good up and coming homegrown players. Sancho, Hudson odoi or Maddison would be ideal and seems like a FSG type of transfer.

Don't know if we are comfortable with the number of our homegrown players if Lallana and Sturridge leave. Maybe somone can help me with this? Do know you could fill the homgrown with youngsters but you also need a good standard of player in your homegrown players squad
 
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You could have asked the same question of midfield last summer, when we added Fabinho and Keita to Gini, Hendo and Milner (and lost Can).

What happened?

All five of them saw plenty of football, all of them improved as players due to competition for places (except Milner who is already at peak), we didn't have the midfield injury crisis we had at the tail end of last season, and we had fresh rotatable players during the intense run in of midweek CL matches and must win PL weekend ones.

Gomez, Lovren and Matip have been injury prone during their time here. VVD is playing too much and may well become injury prone himself if it continues. We had a defensive injury crisis in Jan/Feb. It is very reasonable to consider how we can improve that situation.

For me the best way to improve our defensive squad to one of a similar situation to the midfield squad, would be to sell Lovren and sign a top quality centre back who isn't injury prone, who can deputise for VVD as well as play alongside. Gomez can play centre back sometimes and right back sometimes. We then sign a left back deputy for Robertson.

It is fair enough to consider replacing departing players with unproven youngsters, and carrying a light squad, as long as you are prepared to accept that you are risking your competitiveness, will probably end up over-using your best players, and that your season might well unravel if you get a few injuries to the wrong guys.

It seems to me that the goal posts are being slowly but surely moved.

It was said that we only need a 19 or 20 man senior outfield squad, instead of a 22 or 23 man one, because it's better to have a tighter group of versatile players of the right quality.

IMO we haven't reached that point anyway, and the replacing of the likes of Moreno, Sturridge, Lallana and maybe Lovren (possibly Shaqiri and Origi) this summer with better quality players was the next step in that.

But now it seems we're talking about there being several unproven youngsters in that 19 or 20.

This season two or three injuries at any one time, about the average you'd expect in a group of 20 players (10%), has meant the likes of Moreno appearing on the bench when almost any other alternative would be considered before he'd get on the pitch.

For me that has to improve, we have to have 20 proven, usable and senior outfield players as a minimum.

If the likes of Camacho, Brewster, Morgan, Wilson et al perform when called on, in the cups, or prove they're ready on loan, by all means promote them through to replace an outgoing senior player in the senior 20 man group.

But for me not adding to our quality senior depth this summer, as we should be doing, and actually taking out experienced pros and using unproven youth in that 20, would be taking risks with our on-going competitiveness in a season when we could end up playing seven competitions and 60+ matches.
I'm not saying "don't buy a CB", I'm just questioning the wisdom of buying de Ligt, probably for about the same that paid for VvD, when we already have Gomez and with Hoever making his way through the ranks. The money that de Ligt would cost could be spent elsewhere in the team. A back-up CB, a back-up LB and maybe RB, a winger and maybe a forward although the latter might not needed if we're keeping Origi and giving Brewster game time. Also if Lallana leaves, then his place in the squad / treatment room will need to be filled.