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I'll speak plain, no improvement in the squad, and that includes the defence, then we can all kiss goodbye to winning any silverware next season. Even under Shankly and Paisley the squad was always added to, although admittedly it didn't always improve the side. We need another defender who could cover full or centre back roles, an attacking midfielder, and another forward of proven goal scoring ability. Three additional players is what I see in freshening up our squad.
Why does no change in CB personnel equate to no changes in the squad at all? The post you have replied to quite specifically covers only CB and doesn't in any way suggest that there shouldn't be changes elsewhere.

I don't think anyone on this forum has suggested we shouldn't be trying to strengthen the squad.

Worse teams than ours win silverware. Even without strengthening the squad we have now can still win stuff (and be considered one of the favourites to do so).

As unpopular as he Is, Lovren is one of the better CBs around, and it would be difficult to replace As a back up. As much as I liked Klavan, I think some people are forgetting his own limitations and forget his own injury problems and gaffes.
 

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Sturridge is definitely going to be gone and I think Lallana also. That is two homegrown players that are going to be gone from the squad which i think would need to be replaced with homgrown. Henderson and Milner are two homegrown players getting on in age, TAA and Brewster is still young so we are okay there.

Think we are going to have to search for good up and coming homegrown players. Sancho, Hudson odoi or Maddison would be ideal and seems like a FSG type of transfer.

Don't know if we are comfortable with the number of our homegrown players if Lallana and Sturridge leave. Maybe somone can help me with this? Do know you could fill the homgrown with youngsters but you also need a good standard of player in your homegrown players squad
If Lallana, Sturridge and Clyne all leave, we will be short of non-club trained/association trained home-grown players. The Champions League quota requires a minimum of 4 club-trained players and 4 association-trained players.

If we look for a home-grown replacement for Lallana, Maddison is perfect.

Sancho is reported to stay in Dortmund for another year, while Chelsea will not sell Hudson-Odoi, not when Hazard is leaving and the club is facing a 2-year transfer ban. And Dortmund is reported to demand between £50m and £100m for Sancho.

You can even call back Harry Wilson and use him as back-up winger for Mane.

The thing I love about us at the minute is that there are absolutely no noises about who we will or won't sign being leaked at the club. We are water tight. You see nothing of any note on various sports sites unlike most clubs who are linked with every Tom, Sick or Harry. I fully expect another Fabhino type announcement after the CL Final. Long may it continue
I would prefer buying guys like Conor Coady or James Tarkowski for CB positions. The latter can be very cheap. However, Conor Coady will be a £20-30m player as he is the captain and regular starter of a team that have won an Europa League slot for the next season. Coady could be even used as an emergency CDM if Fabinho and Henderson somehow both get injured.
 

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Hudson Odoi is currently injured, and Chelsea will not sell him because of their transfer ban, which suddenly gives him a role there.

Sancho is the one I'd love to buy but you will have to pay no less than £40 million to get him.

Brewster is Sancho and Foden's teammate during their U17 World Cup campaign which they won. If he is as talented as those two, he will catch up very quickly and if that is the case, there is no need for another CF. But until then, we may need to sign another striker.
Those 3 really are the stand outs from that group. Even more than Hudson Odoi. In the world cup last year Foden went in as the player with the highest profile and ended up with the golden ball award, but by the end Brewster had put himself on a par and won the top scorer award.
 

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Why does no change in CB personnel equate to no changes in the squad at all? The post you have replied to quite specifically covers only CB and doesn't in any way suggest that there shouldn't be changes elsewhere.

I don't think anyone on this forum has suggested we shouldn't be trying to strengthen the squad.

Worse teams than ours win silverware. Even without strengthening the squad we have now can still win stuff (and be considered one of the favourites to do so).

As unpopular as he Is, Lovren is one of the better CBs around, and it would be difficult to replace As a back up. As much as I liked Klavan, I think some people are forgetting his own limitations and forget his own injury problems and gaffes.
Cast your mind back to pre-VVD days and how our defence was a shambles, or at least not far off it. As I have said in a previous post if VVD ever suffered a long term injury would we be able to cope, and that's why I say we have to strengthen. Not only at centre back, but also a player for midfield and an extra player for the attack. We all were panicking, or at least I was, when Mo was injured, and then Bobby, so was thankful they were not sidelined at the same time for any length of time. We need to strengthen our squad - that's a no-brainer.
 

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Cast your mind back to pre-VVD days and how our defence was a shambles, or at least not far off it. As I have said in a previous post if VVD ever suffered a long term injury would we be able to cope, and that's why I say we have to strengthen. Not only at centre back, but also a player for midfield and an extra player for the attack. We all were panicking, or at least I was, when Mo was injured, and then Bobby, so was thankful they were not sidelines at the same time for any length of time. We need to strengthen our squad - that's a no-brainer.
Again - where has anyone said we shouldnt be strengthening our squad. If it is such a no brainer to you, why do you keep feeling you have to say it? Name one poster here who doesnt agree on that point?

I do recall the defence - which didnt have Alisson or Fabinho either side. But it still managed to keep lots of clean sheets. Not only have we added those two, but Robertson has also tightened up our left flank. Trent on the right may not be as defensively sound as Clyne yet but is improving and his play going forward and his pace getting back more than compensates for that (and Clyne himself was guilty of the odd mistake).
 

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Again - where has anyone said we shouldnt be strengthening our squad. If it is such a no brainer to you, why do you keep feeling you have to say it? Name one poster here who doesnt agree on that point?

I do recall the defence - which didnt have Alisson or Fabinho either side. But it still managed to keep lots of clean sheets. Not only have we added those two, but Robertson has also tightened up our left flank. Trent on the right may not be as defensively sound as Clyne yet but is improving and his play going forward and his pace getting back more than compensates for that (and Clyne himself was guilty of the odd mistake).
Mistakes, and more than a lot of mistakes that people will admit to, and it kept us struggling to get into European placings in the Prem. If we still had that defence we would be up that creek without a paddle. Jürgen realised the problems when he took over and since that time we have seen a revolution in playing strength at the back. We're good at present, but if we stand still and rub our hands saying that's a job well done and our defence should be good for years, that's when we'll start treading water. Our best title and cup winning sides of the past were always strengthened while we were at the top. We can't stand still. All we need is a few more players to bulk out the squad for the coming season. I mentioned de Ligt because he's Virgil's national team mate, but It doesn't necessarily have to be him. Any decent centre back would do.
 

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Again - where has anyone said we shouldnt be strengthening our squad. If it is such a no brainer to you, why do you keep feeling you have to say it? Name one poster here who doesnt agree on that point?

I do recall the defence - which didnt have Alisson or Fabinho either side. But it still managed to keep lots of clean sheets. Not only have we added those two, but Robertson has also tightened up our left flank. Trent on the right may not be as defensively sound as Clyne yet but is improving and his play going forward and his pace getting back more than compensates for that (and Clyne himself was guilty of the odd mistake).
Exactly. Disagreeing on what specifically needs to be done is not the same as saying as that we dont need to strengthen.

I think the midfield is set (at minimum, Fab, Hendo, Gini, Milner, Keita, Ox, but likely Shaq and possibly Lallana as well). Probably the CBs as well unless Lovren or Matip asks to leave, which I dont see. That leaves adding numbers at FB and for the front line, maybe a LW, and possibly a replacement for Migs if he wants to go. It isnt very much, but it's clearly important work. And if we get it right could kick us on even further. Remember, when we signed Mo most fans couldnt understand paying that much for a player who would be a reserve behind what was then our first choice front 3.
 

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Mistakes, and more than a lot of mistakes that people will admit to, and it kept us struggling to get into European placings in the Prem. If we still had that defence we would be up that creek without a paddle. Jürgen realised the problems when he took over and since that time we have seen a revolution in playing strength at the back.
You've been posting on these forums for at least a couple of years - you know as well as i do that the bolded bit isnt true. The majority of our fans have routinely criticised the team over mistakes made.

We're good at present, but if we stand still and rub our hands saying that's a job well done and our defence should be good for years, that's when we'll start treading water. Our best title and cup winning sides of the past were always strengthened while we were at the top. We can't stand still. All we need is a few more players to bulk out the squad for the coming season. I mentioned de Ligt because he's Virgil's national team mate, but It doesn't necessarily have to be him. Any decent centre back would do.
Who said anything about leaving the defence as it is for years? Anyone saying that we shouldnt be actively making changes to our CBs are talking about this summer only because other areas are of greater priority.
 

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You've been posting on these forums for at least a couple of years - you know as well as i do that the bolded bit isnt true. The majority of our fans have routinely criticised the team over mistakes made.


Who said anything about leaving the defence as it is for years? Anyone saying that we shouldnt be actively making changes to our CBs are talking about this summer only because other areas are of greater priority.
What I'm advocating is we get a few more players into the squad, nothing more.
 

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What I'm advocating is we get a few more players into the squad, nothing more.
I am for buying cheaper backups like James Tarkowski or Conor Coady, who can start in smaller league matches. But buying De Ligt for £60m is questionable. Use that £60m to buy a backup CB, a backup LB (Lloyd Kelly who can play both LB and CB) and a backup RB (perhaps Reece James from Chelsea). This summer big purchases should be for CAM, CF or winger positions.
 

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I will repeat, I think if we are looking for a Klavan style back up central defender we could do a lot worst than Cardiff City's Manga.
I mean why mention the likes of Connor Coady not only a starter for a strong opposition side but also there fucking captain. That would take some fight to pry him away. Where as Cardiff can not have much fight left in them as it stands. :)
 

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Personally I think there's a huge danger in proposing we spend money on 'back ups'.

We already have backup level people in Clyne, Lovren, Origi, Lallana and Shaqiri.

What we need is more genuine rotation options without results being at risk, particularly up front.

For me the decisive difference between us and City is depth in the forwards. It's that which turns draws into wins. We had little creatively and decisiveness in those draws at United and Everton, plus the West Ham one.

Seems odd to say when we scored 80+ goals in the PL, but a number of very convincing wins bolstered that tally yet in several matches we couldn't score at all, or get more than one.

Genuine rotation at full back, upgrading a centre back and quality options in the final third.

We can't go into next season with a 'senior' squad of 20, of which 2 or 3 are unproven kids, especially with injury prone centre backs.

If we were really ambitious to go to another level, we'd let Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana and Lovren go and replace them with 3 or 4 top quality players.
 

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I will repeat, I think if we are looking for a Klavan style back up central defender we could do a lot worst than Cardiff City's Manga.
I mean why mention the likes of Connor Coady not only a starter for a strong opposition side but also there fucking captain. That would take some fight to pry him away. Where as Cardiff can not have much fight left in them as it stands. :)
Conor is an ex-Liverpool player and life-long supporter, so you never know. Good shout by you mentioning Cardiff's Manga, he would be a good squad player.
 

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I am for buying cheaper backups like James Tarkowski or Conor Coady, who can start in smaller league matches. But buying De Ligt for £60m is questionable. Use that £60m to buy a backup CB, a backup LB (Lloyd Kelly who can play both LB and CB) and a backup RB (perhaps Reece James from Chelsea). This summer big purchases should be for CAM, CF or winger positions.
There are no small league matches for LFC, we drop off at all and results are at risk. Look at Lovren against Newcastle, unsettled the whole defence.
 

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Conor is an ex-Liverpool player and life-long supporter, so you never know. Good shout by you mentioning Cardiff's Manga, he would be a good squad player.
I know about Conor been keeping an eye on his career as I thought he was a good Championship mid EPL quality prospect. He's not doing to badly. ;-)
 

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I am more interested in who we should not sell.... This bunch of boys have done fucking well, and clicking to the level we've not seen before. So let's hope we add those that don't disrupt this momentum have, and win this damn thing next year!
 

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Improving the first eleven has to start with the midfield. Outside that another top quality forward. Then look at another centre back and fullback. The club needs to go out and sign a few key players. Players to kick this team on, further improve and make it more competitive.

Hopefully the money will be there to spend. The club has earned another €26m this Champions League in prize money, with possibly another €4m if we win. Plus prize money of roughly €3.5m or €4.5m for the UEFA Super Cup if we win the Champions League.
 

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I think Ming, Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, Woodburn, Camacho all go.
Maybe Lovren and Origi as well.

Whoever we bring in they need to be as good as our starting 11 so that the quality doesn’t drop when they are rotated.
 

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I am more interested in who we should not sell.... This bunch of boys have done fucking well, and clicking to the level we've not seen before. So let's hope we add those that don't disrupt this momentum have, and win this damn thing next year!
I don't think anyone will want to leave. We are arguably the second best team in the world at the moment (maybe even first best, considering recent form). Going to a club like Barcelona and Real Madrid will now be a major step-down.

The only people I can see leaving are players who are not happy with the amount of game time they get e.g. Mignolet.
 

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Cast your mind back to pre-VVD days and how our defence was a shambles, or at least not far off it. As I have said in a previous post if VVD ever suffered a long term injury would we be able to cope, and that's why I say we have to strengthen. Not only at centre back, but also a player for midfield and an extra player for the attack. We all were panicking, or at least I was, when Mo was injured, and then Bobby, so was thankful they were not sidelined at the same time for any length of time. We need to strengthen our squad - that's a no-brainer.
I'm with you 100% mate. When Gomez got clattered we had to raid the midfield to cover with Matip and Lovren struggling. We shouldn't have to do that at this level. Maybe not the absolute #1 priority but definitely an Achilles heel that needs to be addressed, and Lovren isn't good enough even when fully fit IMO. The Gomez injury was a massive issue and messed with our momentum. We got through it, but only by spreading ourselves thinly for a while.
 

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I'm with you 100% mate. When Gomez got clattered we had to raid the midfield to cover with Matip and Lovren struggling. We shouldn't have to do that at this level. Maybe not the absolute #1 priority but definitely an Achilles heel that needs to be addressed, and Lovren isn't good enough even when fully fit IMO. The Gomez injury was a massive issue and messed with our momentum. We got through it, but only by spreading ourselves thinly for a while.
There are some who say we are covered in the centre back role because Fabinho can play there, but always thought he had been bought as a midfielder. This in itself proves that we have a weakness in our squad strength that we have to rectify. We don't need wholesale changes just a few imports to bulk out our squad, and those imports don't have to be that costly. Someone in an earlier post suggested a player similar to Klaven could be bought, someone who's willing to sit on the bench and come on when needed, and I think that's an avenue that could be exploited.
 

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I'm with you 100% mate. When Gomez got clattered we had to raid the midfield to cover with Matip and Lovren struggling. We shouldn't have to do that at this level. Maybe not the absolute #1 priority but definitely an Achilles heel that needs to be addressed, and Lovren isn't good enough even when fully fit IMO. The Gomez injury was a massive issue and messed with our momentum. We got through it, but only by spreading ourselves thinly for a while.
The players that definitely need to go are: Moreno, Sturridge and Mignolet.
One player that we should definitely look to buy is James Maddison of Leicester City, exceptional young English player who has had a great first season in the Premiership. Not alone would he be a great link up player to the front 3, but he gets plenty of goals as well. The legendary Stevie Nicol has also identified James as a player we need to buy and I totally agree 100%.
 

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97 points and a CL final and a big inquest is needed. A load of mediocre players who aren't better than what we have here are listed.

Let's replace Moreno, Lallana and Sturridge with 3 players who can contribute properly. That'll do nicely. Maybe Lovren if that's an option.

Nothing else needs to be done, this squad is fucking ace.
 

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There are some who say we are covered in the centre back role because Fabinho can play there, but always thought he had been bought as a midfielder. This in itself proves that we have a weakness in our squad strength that we have to rectify. We don't need wholesale changes just a few imports to bulk out our squad, and those imports don't have to be that costly. Someone in an earlier post suggested a player similar to Klaven could be bought, someone who's willing to sit on the bench and come on when needed, and I think that's an avenue that could be exploited.
Exactly! Fabinho shouldn't be playing at the back and neither should Milner. They're both massively important midfielders! It's a clear weakness and should be addressed. There really isn't any grey area here. We need to be bulletproof in every area if we're going to win it next season and, make no mistake, we very nearly won it this year! Spend some money wisely and we'll win it next season. There aren't any obvious areas where our only real rivals can improve. They're pretty much flat out with their squad and we are not, but we're not far off at all. Take the gamble and spend two year's budget this window in my opinion. We are the better side, the bigger club, the more deserving, and never have we been more investible in our history IMO.
 

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There are no small league matches for LFC, we drop off at all and results are at risk. Look at Lovren against Newcastle, unsettled the whole defence.
I mean the names I mentioned are capable of starting in non-Big 6 matches and in domestic cups.


Let's replace Moreno, Lallana and Sturridge with 3 players who can contribute properly. That'll do nicely. Maybe Lovren if that's an option.
Lallana -> Maddison
Moreno -> Lloyd Kelly
Sturridge -> Timo Werner/Neres/Ziyech (you can also use Brewster, the boy is as talented as Sancho).
Clyne -> Reece James

Nothing else needs to be done, this squad is fucking ace.
The midfield seems underwhelmed and lacks a creative midfielder. Unlike our defense and attack which are packed with world-class players, our only world-class or potentially world-class midfielders is Fabinho and Chamberlain (who would have become such a player had he not been forced out by injury for the whole season).

I will repeat, I think if we are looking for a Klavan style back up central defender we could do a lot worst than Cardiff City's Manga.
I mean why mention the likes of Connor Coady not only a starter for a strong opposition side but also there fucking captain. That would take some fight to pry him away. Where as Cardiff can not have much fight left in them as it stands. :)
He will cost nowhere near De Ligt's price tag.
If not Coady, then Tarkowski. Currently only Leicester is going after Tarkowski and we can beat them.
 
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97 points and a CL final and a big inquest is needed. A load of mediocre players who aren't better than what we have here are listed.

Let's replace Moreno, Lallana and Sturridge with 3 players who can contribute properly. That'll do nicely. Maybe Lovren if that's an option.

Nothing else needs to be done, this squad is fucking ace.
Exactly. Another full back with similar ability to Robbo/TAA. Another hardworking 9. Another wide forward and we will win the lot. Ox will be like a new signing - He replaces Lallana. The key here is to ensure that subs don't change our style too much as we have a winning formula (for the most part). Only 6 points dropped out of 84 against non-top 6 sides and a couple duds in games where we needed fresh legs.

I don't follow world football as avidly as some others so can't name names - Which 3-4 players would fit this system?
 

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97 points and a CL final and a big inquest is needed. A load of mediocre players who aren't better than what we have here are listed.

Let's replace Moreno, Lallana and Sturridge with 3 players who can contribute properly. That'll do nicely. Maybe Lovren if that's an option.

Nothing else needs to be done, this squad is fucking ace.
No backup for TAA? Or Milner becomes the backup RB?
 

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Exactly. Another full back with similar ability to Robbo/TAA. Another hardworking 9. Another wide forward and we will win the lot. Ox will be like a new signing - He replaces Lallana. The key here is to ensure that subs don't change our style too much as we have a winning formula (for the most part). Only 6 points dropped out of 84 against non-top 6 sides and a couple duds in games where we needed fresh legs.

I don't follow world football as avidly as some others so can't name names - Which 3-4 players would fit this system?
Even with Ox, we still lack a Coutinho-style creativity midfielder. I personally pick James Maddison, while others may choose Julian Brandt.

For LB, personally I would promote Adam Lewis. Lewis has a similar offensive playing style to Robbo, also started as a midfielder like Trent. If we need to buy someone, then Lloyd Kelly.

No backup for TAA? Or Milner becomes the backup RB?
For RB backup I would recommend Reece James (born in 1999), currently on loan to Wigan from Chelsea and is playing as a starter there. James, while mainly a RB, can also play as CB if required.