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With our revenues, our standing in the game, and Klopp as manager, we could continuously improve in almost every department if we wanted to.
Question for you.. How do you improve over;

Alisson
Robertson
Van Dijk
Alexander Arnold
Fabinho
Salah
Firmino
Mane

Would love to know your thinking as that's 8 players of our 1st team 11 and you specifically say "almost every department".

Ironically 3 players is what sensible posters on here think we will sign this summer.

The other ironic element of your post is you mention Klopp as a key element.. Guess what his preferred option is to marginal gains? No not spending money.. Training/Coaching.. So your post basically contradicts itself.

Sad you've gone back to your anti-FSG rubbish, there was like a week window you seemed alright.
 

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Brandt is good enough to break into our starting 11 midfield within 3 months or even less. He will direct compete with Henderson and AOC for No.8 under our system. My prediction is that Henderson will lag behind a healthy AOC and Brandt, unless he can consistently produce his post-Southampton performance.
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A lot of people hoping we get De Ligt it seems. Would be nice.

Barcelona look to be signing Griezmann finally, after his announcement. They are probably look at hitting the ground running early in terms of transfers. I'd say we will know very soon if De Ligt is a possible, ie, if he hasn't been announced by Barca! They'll have their usual 100 or so mill to spend, plus Coutinho money this summer.
 



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Zaha.

Our equivalent of Citys Mahrez signing. Would be a fantastic player to have on the bench. Like his pace, power and unpredictability. Think he would do well for us. No settling in period needed.
Yeah, coming around to that idea.
 

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We've got to be looking at a wide player this summer. Mane and Salah will be at the African Cup of Nations and that's on the back of the World Cup last summer too. That's three full seasons plus two international tournaments since their last summer off.

We can't expect that not to take a toll and given they're our most important players, we can't take a risk of starting the season or heavily relying on Origi, Shaqiri or AOC covering them out wide.
 



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He's absolutely world class, a wonderful versatile player just entering his peak years. Why would Bayern sell him? He may have 'only' two years left on his contract but he's one of the players who they absolutely have to keep around, isn't he?

Also, even if Bayern would sell it would be for a large fee and no way he comes if he thinks he's going to be back up for anyone.
Robbo is so much world class, that other world class players fight among them to come down to LFC to become his deputy and learn trade from him. And Alaba is the lucky winner.
 

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We don't need much but we do need a replacement for Coutinho/Sturridge and some more cover at LB. And we may have the perfect option - Barca apparently are getting Griezeman for 108m so Coutinho may be on the move. Bring him home. He already knows the set up so he would not need any time to adapt to the team. With this one addition, I think we have a great chance next season. Bring him home.

 
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No to Coutinho for me. Good player, definitely, and much better than what he has managed to show at Barcelona. But for me I didn’t like how he left, but even more than that, I want new adventures and don’t want to go back. Our recruitment team is excellent. We are a top destination and we have means. So I want new heroes to emerge, not old heroes to come back to try to find their magic again.
 

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cheers mate.

place must be pretty positive right now, CL final to look forward to, 97 points....i might just wander into the who would you buy thread and take a gander....id imagine itll be full of hope and positivity.....
This.

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Its still my thought that we need 2 quality options in each position and looking at what we have including youth options, I think we need to buy quality at RB, does not need to be expensive but someone solid and willing to be a squad player, maybe someone like "Matip" reliable. And one more in the forward line that can fill in for any of the front 3 without sacrificing style nor tactics.
 

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Its still my thought that we need 2 quality options in each position and looking at what we have including youth options, I think we need to buy quality at RB, does not need to be expensive but someone solid and willing to be a squad player, maybe someone like "Matip" reliable. And one more in the forward line that can fill in for any of the front 3 without sacrificing style nor tactics.
Tarkowski seems to be a Matip-like reliable CB (and he is only 26), evidenced by the fact that Leicester is going after him to replace Maguire. I think we can comfortably outbid Leicester without driving the price too high.

For RB, probably Reece James, who just had a rather successful loan spell from Chelsea to Wigan this season. Wan Bissaka is very good but will be over £30m.
 

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If there is an English midfielder not named Phil Foden (Man City will never sell him) who can be seriously considered as "the best English midfielder prospect of a generation", perhaps we should make a move.

He was the best English midfielder prospect of a generation.
 

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The likelihood is that De Ligt goes to Barca. It's not the end of the world for LFC, but do we still look to buy a CB, or do we stay with the same 4? Personally, i think we still need to buy one and ship one. VVD has played through quite a few injuries this year. We need to have back ups that can play a game or two in his absence. At the moment, we are lucky to have 2 of them actually fit at one time.

Does Bissaka do enough going forward? Personally only see the point of signing him if we are confident he can progress to a level that we can move Trent to midfield. Even then, i am not sure if we should do that given the season he's just had.
 

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You've been accusing FSG of being in the Cash Cow phase virtually since FSG took over and despite the club running at a loss for much of that time.
When you own a business that operates as a separate legal entity to its owner company, you can extract cash from the owned company to the owner company via inter company charges, whilst making a loss in the owned company.

You can also divert revenues between owned companies in the group, for example having FSM arrange commercial deals for LFC and taking 30% before LFC sees the money.


Question for you.. How do you improve over;

Alisson
Robertson
Van Dijk
Alexander Arnold
Fabinho
Salah
Firmino
Mane

Would love to know your thinking as that's 8 players of our 1st team 11 and you specifically say "almost every department".

Ironically 3 players is what sensible posters on here think we will sign this summer.

The other ironic element of your post is you mention Klopp as a key element.. Guess what his preferred option is to marginal gains? No not spending money.. Training/Coaching.. So your post basically contradicts itself.

Sad you've gone back to your anti-FSG rubbish, there was like a week window you seemed alright.
A department is all players in the department.

Current squad - 21 outfield players including Clyne, excluding Grujic and Ings.

Goalkeeper department - tick (sorted).

Defence - eight players (including Clyne and Moreno, who are likely to leave), two world class players who can't be rotated (VVD and Andy), one full back (TAA) developing fast, three injury prone centre backs, no full back rotation options. We could upgrade a centre back to someone nearer to VVD who can also be the main man when VVD is rested, plus sign a viable full back.

Central midfield (including the four CMS and Keita and Oxlade, excluding Lallana who should be leaving) - mostly sorted, lacks creativity, arguably a man light if we're using midfielders to cover defence. Need to succession plan for Milner.

Forwards - includes attacking midfielders who wouldn't play in a midfield three. Three top quality players, no similar level rotation options, two decent alternatives (Shaqiri and Origi), Sturridge leaving. Needs two quality players.

If our goal is to have quality in depth, with every department like midfield (debatable first choices due to depth and same level rotation options), we would be upgrading a centre back (probably Lovren) to De Ligt, signing at least one viable rotation option for full back to replace Clyne and Moreno, and we'd sign two quality attacking midfielders come forwards.

Out - Clyne, Moreno, Lovren, Lallana, Sturridge, Origi. Plus Ings of course.

In - quality, usable, rotatable players at centre back, full back, attacking midfielder, forward.

That would be 19 senior players, to which we can add a young player or two if Klopp thinks they're ready to play more than bit parts. It seems Brewster is that ready to go youngster.

A club of our means, having noted the issues from this season, and acknowledging the risks (injuries to the forwards we didn't have this season), and looking to be equipped to move forward and compete on all fronts (maybe 7 competitions), would be adding 3 or 4 quality players.

Whether we will do it or not remains to be seen. I am only responding to comments in the media that we won't do much and will be promoting youngsters like Morgan and Hoever to replace outgoing senior players.
 



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When you own a business that operates as a separate legal entity to its owner company, you can extract cash from the owned company to the owner company via inter company charges, whilst making a loss in the owned company.

You can also divert revenues between owned companies in the group, for example having FSM arrange commercial deals for LFC and taking 30% before LFC sees the money.
I suspect they're creaming off the top on our commercial deals as well (either that or they're shit at maximising commercial revenue) but your reference to 30%. Is that hypothetical, just what you postulate is going on or do you have anything to indicate that's the cut they're taking?
 

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I've revised my perspective. I believe we need 4-5, as opposed to 3 players. I really don't want to be taking any risks given how close we are to winning everything. 1 injury to our spine/first team players and we may have another run of 2-3 games with points lost and that's something we cannot afford with City around. If we reinforce and solidify this position, we'll go further in the cups too, and we may be in an unprecedented position where we are asking "Can Liverpool win THE treble?" or back to back champions leagues!

We absolutely still need 1 additional, quality cover for the front 3
A left back (I hate Milner playing there. As solid as he is, we immediately lose one of our strengths in Robbo's crossing)
A centre back - we have 3 injury prone at the moment
A creative midfielder - Errhem... Coutinho***
Maybe a right back.

Ship Lallana, Sturridge, Clyne, Moreno.

*** I know some of you don't like the idea, and it's unlikely, but he is absolutely perfect. Front 3 cover and/or creative midfield. Set piece threat, long range threat, knows our system. Would hit the ground running while other clubs and their new signings are still adjusting. 20-25 goal contributions a season, not to mention VVD and Alisson... I'd forgive him.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
While I agree that we can use Milner, Fab, Gomez in fullback roles, I am comfortable with using only Milner, as Gomez and Fab are required to play their main roles too. We need to get atleast 1 player. It's better if that player can play on both sidea to a decent level. This way questions regarding game time can be tackled. And we will be in a better position to tackle injury, fatigue, poor form and suspensions.
 



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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
The answer probably lies with Larouci and Hoever, or utility players - perhaps midfielders/wingers with the appropriate skill set defensively rather than trying to find a perfect full back to act as back up/competition.
 

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I don't believe they are "good enough" yet to be a part of a team who are going to challenge for the title. Would be nice to see them perform in Championship or a PL club in the bottom half. I really hope they will be a massive part of the team in the future, but don't believe they will get enough time on the pitch.. Makes more sense for me to see them perform every week on a higher level than youth football.
The only thing I fear is that Liverpool Academy loanees always ended up being sold, and every single successful graduate went straight to first team.

Anyway, recent evidence suggests that all of those 3 are likely to be kept in our first team next season, especially Brewster. After all, that Brewster guy belongs to the same group as Hudson Odoi, Sancho and Foden.
 

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The likelihood is that De Ligt goes to Barca. It's not the end of the world for LFC, but do we still look to buy a CB, or do we stay with the same 4? Personally, i think we still need to buy one and ship one. VVD has played through quite a few injuries this year. We need to have back ups that can play a game or two in his absence. At the moment, we are lucky to have 2 of them actually fit at one time.

Does Bissaka do enough going forward? Personally only see the point of signing him if we are confident he can progress to a level that we can move Trent to midfield. Even then, i am not sure if we should do that given the season he's just had.
Tarkowski seems to be a Matip-like reliable CB (and he is only 26), evidenced by the fact that Leicester is going after him to replace Maguire. I think we can comfortably outbid Leicester without driving the price too high.

Bissaka is primarily a defensive RB. And he will cost us no less than £30m.
But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less
It seems probable that Klopp may use Adam Lewis to replace Moreno.
 

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I suspect they're creaming off the top on our commercial deals as well (either that or they're shit at maximising commercial revenue) but your reference to 30%. Is that hypothetical, just what you postulate is going on or do you have anything to indicate that's the cut they're taking?
The figure is open for debate. My estimate would be that in order to extract say 10% of LFC's total revenue, they'd need to take about 30% of the commercial element of that total turnover.

They clearly can't take cuts of TV monies paid directly to the club, as the contract is between two UK based legal entities, LFC and the Premier League.

Matchday revenues are also earned in the UK.

But having a third party, which they happen to own, one which is based in the US, arrange commercial deals on LFC's behalf subject to a X% commission, is the easiest way to do it, and indeed the most discreet way.

That way they book the money elsewhere in their group before it hits LFCs accounts.

Personally I don't believe a club of the size of LFC (£400m turnover), with our profile, with an in-house team commercial team that LFC now has, needs the help of a third party agency. Using FSM in these circumstances can only be about revenue extraction. Hogan and Moore could easily do these deals themselves.

It is the diametric opposite to what City are trying to do. Their owners are trying to find ways to get money into the club to use for transfers, ours are probably using the method outlined to take it out, reducing the money in the club, and the turnover that FFP spend calculations are based on.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
Why would you sell Andy Robertson on the idea he would start 50% less? He shouldn't start much less except to give him the occasional rest or in case of injury. 11 Premier League assists... we would be shooting ourselves in the foot if he started much less.

We either need a top veteran who is getting on with age, or a versatile player who can get games at other positions. Perhaps Filipe Luis? He is 33 but was still playing to a high level at Atletico this season.