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I've revised my perspective. I believe we need 4-5, as opposed to 3 players. I really don't want to be taking any risks given how close we are to winning everything. 1 injury to our spine/first team players and we may have another run of 2-3 games with points lost and that's something we cannot afford with City around. If we reinforce and solidify this position, we'll go further in the cups too, and we may be in an unprecedented position where we are asking "Can Liverpool win THE treble?" or back to back champions leagues!

We absolutely still need 1 additional, quality cover for the front 3
A left back (I hate Milner playing there. As solid as he is, we immediately lose one of our strengths in Robbo's crossing)
A centre back - we have 3 injury prone at the moment
A creative midfielder - Errhem... Coutinho***
Maybe a right back.

Ship Lallana, Sturridge, Clyne, Moreno.

*** I know some of you don't like the idea, and it's unlikely, but he is absolutely perfect. Front 3 cover and/or creative midfield. Set piece threat, long range threat, knows our system. Would hit the ground running while other clubs and their new signings are still adjusting. 20-25 goal contributions a season, not to mention VVD and Alisson... I'd forgive him.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
While I agree that we can use Milner, Fab, Gomez in fullback roles, I am comfortable with using only Milner, as Gomez and Fab are required to play their main roles too. We need to get atleast 1 player. It's better if that player can play on both sidea to a decent level. This way questions regarding game time can be tackled. And we will be in a better position to tackle injury, fatigue, poor form and suspensions.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
The answer probably lies with Larouci and Hoever, or utility players - perhaps midfielders/wingers with the appropriate skill set defensively rather than trying to find a perfect full back to act as back up/competition.
 

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I don't believe they are "good enough" yet to be a part of a team who are going to challenge for the title. Would be nice to see them perform in Championship or a PL club in the bottom half. I really hope they will be a massive part of the team in the future, but don't believe they will get enough time on the pitch.. Makes more sense for me to see them perform every week on a higher level than youth football.
The only thing I fear is that Liverpool Academy loanees always ended up being sold, and every single successful graduate went straight to first team.

Anyway, recent evidence suggests that all of those 3 are likely to be kept in our first team next season, especially Brewster. After all, that Brewster guy belongs to the same group as Hudson Odoi, Sancho and Foden.
 

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The likelihood is that De Ligt goes to Barca. It's not the end of the world for LFC, but do we still look to buy a CB, or do we stay with the same 4? Personally, i think we still need to buy one and ship one. VVD has played through quite a few injuries this year. We need to have back ups that can play a game or two in his absence. At the moment, we are lucky to have 2 of them actually fit at one time.

Does Bissaka do enough going forward? Personally only see the point of signing him if we are confident he can progress to a level that we can move Trent to midfield. Even then, i am not sure if we should do that given the season he's just had.
Tarkowski seems to be a Matip-like reliable CB (and he is only 26), evidenced by the fact that Leicester is going after him to replace Maguire. I think we can comfortably outbid Leicester without driving the price too high.

Bissaka is primarily a defensive RB. And he will cost us no less than £30m.
But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less
It seems probable that Klopp may use Adam Lewis to replace Moreno.
 

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I suspect they're creaming off the top on our commercial deals as well (either that or they're shit at maximising commercial revenue) but your reference to 30%. Is that hypothetical, just what you postulate is going on or do you have anything to indicate that's the cut they're taking?
The figure is open for debate. My estimate would be that in order to extract say 10% of LFC's total revenue, they'd need to take about 30% of the commercial element of that total turnover.

They clearly can't take cuts of TV monies paid directly to the club, as the contract is between two UK based legal entities, LFC and the Premier League.

Matchday revenues are also earned in the UK.

But having a third party, which they happen to own, one which is based in the US, arrange commercial deals on LFC's behalf subject to a X% commission, is the easiest way to do it, and indeed the most discreet way.

That way they book the money elsewhere in their group before it hits LFCs accounts.

Personally I don't believe a club of the size of LFC (£400m turnover), with our profile, with an in-house team commercial team that LFC now has, needs the help of a third party agency. Using FSM in these circumstances can only be about revenue extraction. Hogan and Moore could easily do these deals themselves.

It is the diametric opposite to what City are trying to do. Their owners are trying to find ways to get money into the club to use for transfers, ours are probably using the method outlined to take it out, reducing the money in the club, and the turnover that FFP spend calculations are based on.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
Why would you sell Andy Robertson on the idea he would start 50% less? He shouldn't start much less except to give him the occasional rest or in case of injury. 11 Premier League assists... we would be shooting ourselves in the foot if he started much less.

We either need a top veteran who is getting on with age, or a versatile player who can get games at other positions. Perhaps Filipe Luis? He is 33 but was still playing to a high level at Atletico this season.
 

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The figure is open for debate. My estimate would be that in order to extract say 10% of LFC's total revenue, they'd need to take about 30% of the commercial element of that total turnover.

They clearly can't take cuts of TV monies paid directly to the club, as the contract is between two UK based legal entities, LFC and the Premier League.

Matchday revenues are also earned in the UK.

But having a third party, which they happen to own, one which is based in the US, arrange commercial deals on LFC's behalf subject to a X% commission, is the easiest way to do it, and indeed the most discreet way.

That way they book the money elsewhere in their group before it hits LFCs accounts.

Personally I don't believe a club of the size of LFC (£400m turnover), with our profile, with an in-house team commercial team that LFC now has, needs the help of a third party agency. Using FSM in these circumstances can only be about revenue extraction. Hogan and Moore could easily do these deals themselves.

It is the diametric opposite to what City are trying to do. Their owners are trying to find ways to get money into the club to use for transfers, ours are probably using the method outlined to take it out, reducing the money in the club, and the turnover that FFP spend calculations are based on.
It’s about the 17th time I’ve asked and you’ve avoided the question but why does it matter?

- If Klopp has the money he needs to buy the players he wants...

- If Edwards and his team are driving fantastic deals for players we sell and buy...

- If the academy are developing lads to the quality of Trent, with Brewster next in line...

- If Klopp and his coaches are are to take unfancied low cost lads like Robertson, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri and coach stellar performances from them...

Why does it matter?

Your central argument is that Liverpool should spend more. Why? For the sake of spending more? Whatever FSG are taking out the club, it’s clearly not impacting on our ability to compete. We’ve just posted the third best season in league history and reached two consecutive European Cup finals.

I’ll be on board with this argument when Klopp can’t get the players he needs or there is evidence it’s holding us back. At the minute the club is running like a well oiled machine. There is no need to worry about this in the slightest.
 

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Why would you sell Andy Robertson on the idea he would start 50% less? He shouldn't start much less except to give him the occasional rest or in case of injury. 11 Premier League assists... we would be shooting ourselves in the foot if he started much less.

We either need a top veteran who is getting on with age, or a versatile player who can get games at other positions. Perhaps Filipe Luis? He is 33 but was still playing to a high level at Atletico this season.
Yes, exactly. My point wasn’t that that you start Robbo less (although a bit mite rest would probably do him good). My point was that it’s hard to bring in a high level level, because a high level left back will want to start games.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
The issue with left back is of course that you really need a left footer. Right back is easier to cover because most players in the squad are right footed.

Robertson might be a machine now, but all machines eventually break down if you run them too much without the proper service schedule and maintenance.

Clyne never missed a game until he played every game for two seasons and then ended up out for a season. Bobby had never been injured before playing every game this season after no summer break.

If Milner was the answer to giving Andy more breaks without neutering the required offensive capabilities of the position, he'd have been used more this season.

If Clyne and Moreno leave, we have only six defenders. Since Klopp came there have never been less than seven in the squad (since Jan this year). We've always had eight or nine.

We definitely need to sign a defender or two, including a left footer who can play full back at a good enough level. Ideally a two footer who can cover both full back positions.
 

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The issue with left back is of course that you really need a left footer. Right back is easier to cover because most players in the squad are right footed.

Robertson might be a machine now, but all machines eventually break down if you run them too much without the proper service schedule and maintenance.

Clyne never missed a game until he played every game for two seasons and then ended up out for a season. Bobby had never been injured before playing every game this season after no summer break.

If Milner was the answer to giving Andy more breaks without neutering the required offensive capabilities of the position, he'd have been used more this season.

If Clyne and Moreno leave, we have only six defenders. Since Klopp came there have never been less than seven in the squad (since Jan this year). We've always had eight or nine.

We definitely need to sign a defender or two, including a left footer who can play full back at a good enough level. Ideally a two footer who can cover both full back positions.
Yeah, I’m just pointing out that’s it’s really hard. I’ve previously said that my worry with Robbo is that Lucas, Henderson and Clyne were all lads who never got injured, until they did.

The problem is that anyone who can perform to a level reasonably close to Robbo, is not going to come and start 10 games a year. I’d worry if they were content to.

So you either accept a limited lad and be very judicious about when you play him (basically Moreno), use a versatile lad who’ll get games elsewhere (Gomez/Milner), use a kid (Lewis), fins a veteran who won’t mind not playing, or you buy the boss left back and break it to Andy that he’s sharing the position. None of them are ideal.
 

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It’s about the 17th time I’ve asked and you’ve avoided the question but why does it matter?

- If Klopp has the money he needs to buy the players he wants...

- If Edwards and his team are driving fantastic deals for players we sell and buy...

- If the academy are developing lads to the quality of Trent, with Brewster next in line...

- If Klopp and his coaches are are to take unfancied low cost lads like Robertson, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri and coach stellar performances from them...

Why does it matter?

Your central argument is that Liverpool should spend more. Why? For the sake of spending more? Whatever FSG are taking out the club, it’s clearly not impacting on our ability to compete. We’ve just posted the third best season in league history and reached two consecutive European Cup finals.

I’ll be on board with this argument when Klopp can’t get the players he needs or there is evidence it’s holding us back. At the minute the club is running like a well oiled machine. There is no need to worry about this in the slightest.
I have answered it many times.

The output that you see, i.e. what we do, is driven by the available budget. Klopp, Edwards, Moore, will never say anything different than they have what they need.

It doesn't mean they don't have enough to do a good job and it doesn't mean they are unhappy.

It's just clear that with more money you have a greater chance. We'd clearly have had a better chance in Kiev and in fact might have won the title if we'd had another quality forward. With more money we'd probably have that forward by now.

The difference in approach in 2018, driven by the Coutinho money, is very indicative. When the money was there, they went out and got several top class players that immediately sorted issues and improved the squad.

Imagine what we'd achieve if this money didn't just come from selling key players.

Buying well, picking up bargains, selling well, developing youth, are all part of it. Within a higher net spend.

We're not City, who wants to be, I don't, but I do want LFC to invest every pound it makes to ensure we max out on trophies from the position we are in, which in turn feeds long term commercial revenues from the increased and more active support base.

I believe LFC should be doing one more round of 2018 style building this summer, not to the same extent, but nonetheless acquiring the final 3 or 4 players to replace those from the pre Klopp era.

Then we'd have what we need and it'd be youth development plus 1 or 2 senior acquisitions a season for 3 or 4 years.
 

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Yeah, I’m just pointing out that’s it’s really hard. I’ve previously said that my worry with Robbo is that Lucas, Henderson and Clyne were all lads who never got injured, until they did.

The problem is that anyone who can perform to a level reasonably close to Robbo, is not going to come and start 10 games a year. I’d worry if they were content to.

So you either accept a limited lad and be very judicious about when you play him (basically Moreno), use a versatile lad who’ll get games elsewhere (Gomez/Milner), use a kid (Lewis), fins a veteran who won’t mind not playing, or you buy the boss left back and break it to Andy that he’s sharing the position. None of them are ideal.
Not sure why getting a versatile player is less than ideal, that's the perfect solution. You can find full backs equally comfortable on both sides, which would be perfect as Trent is still very young and we don't want to run the risk of burning him by thrashing him when he's still developing physically, or someone who can play as a left-back or further up the field as a winger to also provide some cover for Mane. Even a LB who can also play in the centre to bulk out our CB options. Any of these would be a huge boon to the squad.

Moreno would actually be ideal for keeping around, if it wasn't for the fact he's an absolute calamity defensively. We can improve on him but the idea behind that sort of player is a good one.
 

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I have answered it many times.

The output that you see, i.e. what we do, is driven by the available budget. Klopp, Edwards, Moore, will never say anything different than they have what they need.

It doesn't mean they don't have enough to do a good job and it doesn't mean they are unhappy.

It's just clear that with more money you have a greater chance. We'd clearly have had a better chance in Kiev and in fact might have won the title if we'd had another quality forward. With more money we'd probably have that forward by now.

The difference in approach in 2018, driven by the Coutinho money, is very indicative. When the money was there, they went out and got several top class players that immediately sorted issues and improved the squad.

Imagine what we'd achieve if this money didn't just come from selling key players.

Buying well, picking up bargains, selling well, developing youth, are all part of it. Within a higher net spend.

We're not City, who wants to be, I don't, but I do want LFC to invest every pound it makes to ensure we max out on trophies from the position we are in, which in turn feeds long term commercial revenues from the increased and more active support base.

I believe LFC should be doing one more round of 2018 style building this summer, not to the same extent, but nonetheless acquiring the final 3 or 4 players to replace those from the pre Klopp era.

Then we'd have what we need and it'd be youth development plus 1 or 2 senior acquisitions a season for 3 or 4 years.
And the context of this discussion is that the league campaign we’ve just had has only been bettered twice in the entire history of the league. Last year and this year.

You want us to compete. We’re competing. We could not have put up a sterner challenge to the oil cheats. We could not have done more.

At the end of the day FSG are a sports investment company. People invest in them on the expectation of a return. If that is the ‘cost’ of not being owned by a nutcase billionaire or a regime on Amnesty International’s watchlist, then it’s a cost worth paying.

I don’t have a problem with FSG taking a cut as long as it isn’t impacting on the managers plans or the club’s ability to compete. It obviously isn’t, and we should remember that the systems we have in place that have enabled us to bridge the gap to city, whether that’s a brilliant ability to spot value in the market, fantastic scouting and player analysis that makes the most of every penny we spend, or the personnel doing these jobs, FSG have put those in place.

Literally the only thing that matters is that when Klopp needs to go to the market, he can. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he can’t, or is frustrated in some way with restraints put on him.

We’ll see what happens in summer, but I don’t think that the business we did last year was a direct reaction to the coutinho cash. Van Dijk and Keita were arranged before he was sold, and Alisson and Fabinho were major signings that will have been in pipeline for a long time.
 

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So you either accept a limited lad and be very judicious about when you play him (basically Moreno), use a versatile lad who’ll get games elsewhere (Gomez/Milner), use a kid (Lewis), fins a veteran who won’t mind not playing, or you buy the boss left back and break it to Andy that he’s sharing the position. None of them are ideal
In the short-term let's start Lewis as LB in every single upcoming pre-season friendlies (and later League Cup matches) to test whether he can hold his own in senior football, while keep scouting good LB options in the market.
 

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My tuppence worth on the theory postulated by RedForever is that the owners are entitled to take out a dividend on their investment. If that’s what is happening - taking a fee off the top of commercial revenue before it hits the books, then it’s all well and good. My preference is that it was done in the light, but there is no legal requirement for them to disclose that to fans, if indeed that is what is happening. Arguably they might think that there will be some sort of backlash, or maybe they are thinking it’s their investment and their business, so they don’t have to disclose what they don’t have to disclose. It’s a style thing. I’d rather it all be in the open, as the fans are the real owners and the owners are the custodians, but maybe I’m a little starry eyed on that one! Again, we don’t know that that’s what is happening, but it not an outlandish theory.

Going a step beyond the theory, I’m with Mascot in that there is no evidence to suggest Klopp’s wings are clipped in any way, and money is available if and when he wants to go into the market.

Fans love a good transfer, and indeed I want to see some action on that this summer, but the first inclination of Klopp appears to be to coach and improve the players first, then if it’s still short, to go into the market. This approach is paying dividends. 97 points. Second CL final on the bounce. We are firmly ensconced back at Europe’s top table, and the future looks very bright.

Long may it continue.
 

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I wonder if re-igniting our interest in Hector is a possibility? Or is he too good to sit out a lot of games?
 

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I wonder if re-igniting our interest in Hector is a possibility? Or is he too good to sit out a lot of games?
Hector would be an ideal player to plug a number of gaps in this squad but he's extremely loyal to Cologne unfortunately.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
This is why I think the Lloyd Kelly links sounded fairly legitimate. No idea if there is any real interest there or not, but someone in his stature sounds like the thing. Someone young from championship with potential, who would jump at the chance at a prem paycheck and the ability to join Klopp's Liverpool. It makes sense. I don't think it would be hard to sell Robertson on starting a few less games. He's played in 47 games so far this year between the premier league and champions league, and not sure he played in domestic cups. If you sell him on 45ish games and expect deeper runs in domestic cups, I think everyone is happy. Plus an odd game here and there where he doesn't have to play the full 90 so he can get a bit of rest. That's easily sell-able to Robertson and a young kid with a lot of potential that has the opportunity to come in and be a part of a wonderful Liverpool team and learn from Klopp, but won't work very well for older established prem players I don't think. I'm not sure I'd want someone a bit older and more established to come and be happy playing 2nd roll knowing that's the most he'll be able to achieve in the team. It's a tricky one for sure. Not sure how many young lower prem or championship left backs fit the profile, if any at all.
 

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And the context of this discussion is that the league campaign we’ve just had has only been bettered twice in the entire history of the league. Last year and this year.

You want us to compete. We’re competing. We could not have put up a sterner challenge to the oil cheats. We could not have done more.

At the end of the day FSG are a sports investment company. People invest in them on the expectation of a return. If that is the ‘cost’ of not being owned by a nutcase billionaire or a regime on Amnesty International’s watchlist, then it’s a cost worth paying.

I don’t have a problem with FSG taking a cut as long as it isn’t impacting on the managers plans or the club’s ability to compete. It obviously isn’t, and we should remember that the systems we have in place that have enabled us to bridge the gap to city, whether that’s a brilliant ability to spot value in the market, fantastic scouting and player analysis that makes the most of every penny we spend, or the personnel doing these jobs, FSG have put those in place.

Literally the only thing that matters is that when Klopp needs to go to the market, he can. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he can’t, or is frustrated in some way with restraints put on him.

We’ll see what happens in summer, but I don’t think that the business we did last year was a direct reaction to the coutinho cash. Van Dijk and Keita were arranged before he was sold, and Alisson and Fabinho were major signings that will have been in pipeline for a long time.
I respect your opinion and your stance. Mine is just a bit more skeptical and a little more demanding of them.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
Been thinking about the same thing, and I think the answer is an unpopular one, but you ignore FBs. One of the strength of our game has been the overall football quality from these two. You just dont see that in FBs very often and so I think we lose less by dropping in a midfielder or winger into the role when needed than we do by drafting in a top young FB like Wan Bisaka. Milner is still among the best LBs in the country, and Hendo would be among the RBs in the world if he was made to play there. I think leveraging this sort of flexibility is probably our best way to solve the problem.
 



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Been thinking about the same thing, and I think the answer is an unpopular one, but you ignore FBs. One of the strength of our game has been the overall football quality from these two. You just dont see that in FBs very often and so I think we lose less by dropping in a midfielder or winger into the role when needed than we do by drafting in a top young FB like Wan Bisaka. Milner is still among the best LBs in the country, and Hendo would be among the RBs in the world if he was made to play there. I think leveraging this sort of flexibility is probably our best way to solve the problem.
Isn't that why Sessegnon is ideal for us? He is a Left Winger first, but can play Left Back at a push and the types of games we are resting Robbo would be against the weaker teams where our fullback does about 10% defending and plays as a quasi-winger all game anyway?

I agree Wan Bissaka just makes no sense, you drop Fabino or Milner or Gomez to right back if Trent needs a rest. Unless you see TAA (I'm strongly against this as he is a worldclass fullback) as also a midfielder do you want a specialist fullback for right back.
 

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Isn't that why Sessegnon is ideal for us? He is a Left Winger first, but can play Left Back at a push and the types of games we are resting Robbo would be against the weaker teams where our fullback does about 10% defending and plays as a quasi-winger all game anyway?

I agree Wan Bissaka just makes no sense, you drop Fabino or Milner or Gomez to right back if Trent needs a rest. Unless you see TAA (I'm strongly against this as he is a worldclass fullback) as also a midfielder do you want a specialist fullback for right back.
Possibly, but I suspect an actual midfielder is a better option. Just more reliable defensively than a kid who sees himself as a forward. Pick any of Gini, Ox, Hendo, Milner or Fab at RB and they would be able to hold down a place in any CL side.

One of the strengths Klopp has brought to this side is the collective intelligence of the players and the versatility that brings. We should embrace it, not hide from it.
 

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The only thing I fear is that Liverpool Academy loanees always ended up being sold, and every single successful graduate went straight to first team.

Anyway, recent evidence suggests that all of those 3 are likely to be kept in our first team next season, especially Brewster. After all, that Brewster guy belongs to the same group as Hudson Odoi, Sancho and Foden.
I agree with you and have the same fear. There's nothing I love more than see our young players perform at the highest level in our club, Trent is the perfect example in the last recent years.

Hopefully you will be spot on about Brewster (And Jones + Lewis), but I'm not sure they have what it takes. Hopefully they will prove me wrong!
 

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Possibly, but I suspect an actual midfielder is a better option. Just more reliable defensively than a kid who sees himself as a forward. Pick any of Gini, Ox, Hendo, Milner or Fab at RB and they would be able to hold down a place in any CL side.

One of the strengths Klopp has brought to this side is the collective intelligence of the players and the versatility that brings. We should embrace it, not hide from it.
I think we are agreeing, I just don't think it needs to be a midfielder and it's not as though Sessegnon is just a kid, he's played a full season in the EPL. Also could be forced into a re-think if Leeds come up and the "home" leg is on offer for Milner.

In general though the answer to Mascots original question - How do you get cover for our 2 worldclass, every present fullbacks? Flexibility, through squad depth.
 

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But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

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I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.
I think your last sentence is exactly what will happen this year. Klopp absolutely loves Milner, obviously. Can cover either side. Right side there's a ton of options.

I think some young players would see the benefit of playing for Klopp and how he's developed players like Robertson, and feel it in their interest even if they can't get past Robertson in the depth chart. In a few years, they can move on and be better for the experience. Obviously this isn't going to work with someone like Ferland Mendy that's one of the best young players at his position, but the next level down, for a player Klopp thinks he can develop, it might. I went for Fode Ballo-Toure on a loanback deal in the Everton Cup thread, sort of combining several of these ideas -- Milner being fine for this year, but needing someone in the future that has talent but won't see coming to Liverpool and competing with Robertson as a sacrifice on his future.