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Possibly, but I suspect an actual midfielder is a better option. Just more reliable defensively than a kid who sees himself as a forward. Pick any of Gini, Ox, Hendo, Milner or Fab at RB and they would be able to hold down a place in any CL side.

One of the strengths Klopp has brought to this side is the collective intelligence of the players and the versatility that brings. We should embrace it, not hide from it.
I think i already posted this as a suggestion earlier today as it seems that many fullbacks appear to be previously wingers or in some cases midfielders (Such as Kimmech at Bayern), Trent himself hasnt always played at fullback - and we know Klopp is happy to move players from one position to play in others
 

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Possibly, but I suspect an actual midfielder is a better option. Just more reliable defensively than a kid who sees himself as a forward. Pick any of Gini, Ox, Hendo, Milner or Fab at RB and they would be able to hold down a place in any CL side.

One of the strengths Klopp has brought to this side is the collective intelligence of the players and the versatility that brings. We should embrace it, not hide from it.

Maybe so, but by doing that we lose a huge amount of our attacking strength which comes from having pacey , athletic full backs constantly overlapping and getting good crosses in. So much of our creativity comes from there that putting defensively solid mids in there hurts our attack hugely. Klopp said it himself our fullbacks are 2 of the most important positions for us.
 

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Maybe so, but by doing that we lose a huge amount of our attacking strength which comes from having pacey , athletic full backs constantly overlapping and getting good crosses in. So much of our creativity comes from there that putting defensively solid mids in there hurts our attack hugely. Klopp said it himself our fullbacks are 2 of the most important positions for us.
You dont need to pick 'defensively solid' midfielders. There are midfielders who can do that role reasonably well because they already have similar attributes to what we want from that position.
 

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I think i already posted this as a suggestion earlier today as it seems that many fullbacks appear to be previously wingers or in some cases midfielders (Such as Kimmech at Bayern), Trent himself hasnt always played at fullback - and we know Klopp is happy to move players from one position to play in others
As Carra said, no one grows up wanting to be Gary Neville. The reality is that no one comes up through the ranks as a FB. The only thing that differentiates one top level FB from any other is the age at which they moved from their preferred position to FB.

There was a lad I played with growing up who played RB for the Wales U15 side. Everyone else in our group was incredibly proud of themselves and excited about the recognition and what it meant about our chances of making it. Instead, he laughed that it was the end of the line for him. As a 12 year old he was a CF. As a 14 year old he was a RM and he knew even then that if he could ONLY get in the side as a 15 year old as a FB, at the next level he would be replaced by the kids who were currently playing in "more important" positions. So when people say "Danny Alves used to be winger" the only response is "so what?"
 
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Maybe so, but by doing that we lose a huge amount of our attacking strength which comes from having pacey , athletic full backs constantly overlapping and getting good crosses in. So much of our creativity comes from there that putting defensively solid mids in there hurts our attack hugely. Klopp said it himself our fullbacks are 2 of the most important positions for us.
You are actually making my point for me. A regular fb, even ones who are highly rated, would not be able to flfil that role for us. Therefore, putting in a midfielder who is used to covering a lot of ground, defensively responsible and has the footballing ability to contribute in the final third, is probably our best bet.
 

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You are actually making my point for me. A regular fb, even ones who are highly rated, would not be able to flfil that role for us. Therefore, putting in a midfielder who is used to covering a lot of ground, defensively responsible and has the footballing ability to contribute in the final third, is probably our best bet.
Or Max Aarons who plays left and right full back to an excellent standard!! Left field option ;-)
 

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Everyone based on what they see this season and summed up who we should be buying in the summer. In 2017/18, we played without using our fullbacks as an attacking outlet as much as we were last season, and that is because we had Salah. So then everyone was worried about Salah, hoping to find a backup for him, shrink wrapped him up and probably a bodyguard to keep him from harms way. Looked for a Coutinho replacement and Oxlade backup as well. That was the mantra of last season because these were our attacking outlets. in 2018/19, all of a sudden Klopp pushed forward his fullback to become the attacking outlet, now we need backup for this and that because this is how we play apparently.

The theme here is, we seemed to change each season as we go to find new ways to break teams down as they found ways to stop us. Yes we do need to have a backup for Robertson, but not necessarily someone who could provide 11 assists or even half that per season. All that fella needs to do is to know how to defend. These are fullbacks, a defender. Their jobs are defend first and then attack. So happened this season they are our main attacking providers, does not mean they will always be one and our game plan is stuck that way.

Relax.... let Klopp do his thing. None of us knew we were in for Fabinho. Look at how that turned out!
 

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Hector would be an ideal player to plug a number of gaps in this squad but he's extremely loyal to Cologne unfortunately.
Yeah, I can recall reading about his loyalty. However, if a club and man could tempt him we have the best chance I would think.
 
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If we're talking about letting Moreno and Clyne go and not replacing them, leaving us with six defenders in a senior outfield squad of 20, what needs to be done in other departments so the numbers are there?

Are we saying we'll have 14 players for midfield/attack? We currently have 13 (of which one is the never available Lallana), plus 7 defenders.

And if Andy and TAA get a long term injury, are people happy with Gomez at right back and Milner at left back for long sequences of matches?

Are people really happy with 6 defenders, of which 3 have been very injury prone over a two to three year period?

Personally I would find it very odd that having had a shit defence for years, the moment we add defensive solidity to our goal scoring prowess and midfield possession domination, we then undermine that defence by stripping down its squad to bare bones.

Clyne is limited and Moreno shit defensively, but I'd rather have them as an option in the event of a long term injury to TAA/Andy than nobody.

Personally I think the answer at left back, where we need a left footer if Andy is out, is to sign an up and coming player who has played a few first team seasons in the PL, Championship or a foreign top league. Someone who'd be happy to develop and learn under Klopp and play 10 to 15 matches a season. Morgan then goes on loan to get his own season or two week in week out first team experience. In two years you assess which is best to be the back up.

The other consideration is that versatility works both ways. Robertson could actually offer cover for the wide left forward position if there was a decent enough left back to come in and play behind him.
 

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How can you count Moreno as a defender and not Milner?

Milner plays in defence more than Moreno does, and he's also much better at it.

I know you dislike youth players getting a chance but I'd sooner see Hoever at full back than Clyne or Moreno. Larouci is another that might prove to be good enough as well.
 

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No doubt we will have a debrief on the season, any Corp does, and I suspect the run we've had with Citoil, and their strength in depth, may play heavily on our transfer plans. Just have a feeling we may be considering going large in the transfer market, especially up front. Hindsight is easy but if any period cost us this season, its when our forwards seem flagged in deep winter, and a top quality winger and striker would really alleviate that burden. As well as squad back ups for left back and outgoing players. I expect us to have some transfers already in place, on the QT, and some signings will probably be announced quite early as soon as this season is put to a close. So a quality No 9 is indispensable to me with the outgoing Sturridge, likewise another versatile winger of the ilk of Salah and Mane, along with fullback cover.
Actually this is a very good point. I can actually see Klopp, Edwards and co. actually running through the full statistics of every player this season. They will no doubt have them including minutes played etc etc etc. That will no doubt prompt a discussion on each and where to go next.
 

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Just on the full back positions...

How do we get this sorted? It’s surely the most difficult challenge we face this summer.

The forward line is less of a challenge. You can sell a Neres or Pepe the idea that there are three lads that need cover and so there are loads of games in it for them. Same with midfield, especially if there is plenty of versatility about the group.

But how do you sell covering Andy Robertson to a good left back? The lad is an absolute machine and probably the best left back in Europe. More to the point, how do you sell Andy Robertson the idea that you’ve got this new lad coming in who needs games, and therefore he is going to start 50% less.

Trying to get a specialist left back, who will play when Andy needs a rest or gets injured, but who won’t create a noticeable drop off if he does step in, while also not obliterating our wage structure is going to be phenomenally hard. Near enough impossible.

I can see why Klopp and Edwards might decide swerve wasting their time on this task, and look at using Gomez, Milner and Fabinho as cover for left and right.

Would be nice if they had something up their sleeve though.
You say about getting a specialist left back to cover Robbo, but I would rather see a player being brought in who could cover both full back and centre back positions. I have to admit that I have nobody in mind but feel Klopp would prefer that type of player.
 

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How can you count Moreno as a defender and not Milner?

Milner plays in defence more than Moreno does, and he's also much better at it.

I know you dislike youth players getting a chance but I'd sooner see Hoever at full back than Clyne or Moreno. Larouci is another that might prove to be good enough as well.
Didn’t you read the narrative we are 1 injury away from playing a full Youth team. Burn FSG..
 

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Can't help but think that had Harry Wilson come through at Derby instead of being on loan here the clamour for us to be after him would be significant.

Must be one who'll be watched closely in preseason and could end up being part of the squad. If nothing else he seems to be able to stay fit which is more than can be said for Lallana.
 

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Can't help but think that had Harry Wilson come through at Derby instead of being on loan here the clamour for us to be after him would be significant.

Must be one who'll be watched closely in preseason and could end up being part of the squad. If nothing else he seems to be able to stay fit which is more than can be said for Lallana.
His pass for Mount tonight was glorious. He made another similarly excellent pass in the first leg that almost led to a penalty. I don't think he can showcase it often due to the players he has ahead of him at Derby but he is more than capable of opening teams up with a little 'slide rule' pass.

I really wouldn't mind him being our 6th midfielder next season whilst also being able to cover both flanks.
 

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this is awesome.

'hed be great if he wasnt so shite.'

move over michael owen, weve got our very own candidate for your gig.....
*rolls eyes*

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm saying a full-back who can play on the wing is the ideal scenario, it's just a shame the one of those we have is shit.
 

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His pass for Mount tonight was glorious. He made another similarly excellent pass in the first leg that almost led to a penalty. I don't think he can showcase it often due to the players he has ahead of him at Derby but he is more than capable of opening teams up with a little 'slide rule' pass.

I really wouldn't mind him being our 6th midfielder next season whilst also being able to cover both flanks.
Especially Mane's left flank, which seems to lack a proper backup over the last season.
 

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*rolls eyes*

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm saying a full-back who can play on the wing is the ideal scenario, it's just a shame the one of those we have is shit.

apologies.

so.

to re cap.

Alberto Moreno, who is not good enough as a back up left back, and certainly not productive or proffecient as a winger for this squad, would be perfect for this squad if he was a deceent left back who could play left wing.

ive got another candidate.

Lionel Messi...if he wasnt hitting thirty, and could play left back and left wing, and was avaliable at the right price, would be the IDEAL player as a back up to Robbo....








how'd i go?
 

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apologies.

so.

to re cap.

Alberto Moreno, who is not good enough as a back up left back, and certainly not productive or proffecient as a winger for this squad, would be perfect for this squad if he was a deceent left back who could play left wing.

ive got another candidate.

Lionel Messi...if he wasnt hitting thirty, and could play left back and left wing, and was avaliable at the right price, would be the IDEAL player as a back up to Robbo....








how'd i go?
Meh... Messi couldn't do it on a Tuesday night at Anfield.
 

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apologies.

so.

to re cap.

Alberto Moreno, who is not good enough as a back up left back, and certainly not productive or proffecient as a winger for this squad, would be perfect for this squad if he was a deceent left back who could play left wing.

ive got another candidate.

Lionel Messi...if he wasnt hitting thirty, and could play left back and left wing, and was avaliable at the right price, would be the IDEAL player as a back up to Robbo....








how'd i go?
10/10 for sarcasm
 

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Camacho, Milner, Henderson, Fabhino, maybe me if we're desperate. Purely for rotation of course. Trent is our right back.
Personally i hope Hoever plays RB in every domestic cup games against non PL sides.
 



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His pass for Mount tonight was glorious. He made another similarly excellent pass in the first leg that almost led to a penalty. I don't think he can showcase it often due to the players he has ahead of him at Derby but he is more than capable of opening teams up with a little 'slide rule' pass.

I really wouldn't mind him being our 6th midfielder next season whilst also being able to cover both flanks.
Lampard has had him, watching videos of David Silva to learn how to use his body and slight build as an offensive weapon.. sure seeing how Silva passes the ball isnt a bad thing either. Probably doesn’t have the pace to play wide right for us so being able to play in midfield would be fantastic.
 

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Everyone based on what they see this season and summed up who we should be buying in the summer. In 2017/18, we played without using our fullbacks as an attacking outlet as much as we were last season, and that is because we had Salah. So then everyone was worried about Salah, hoping to find a backup for him, shrink wrapped him up and probably a bodyguard to keep him from harms way. Looked for a Coutinho replacement and Oxlade backup as well. That was the mantra of last season because these were our attacking outlets. in 2018/19, all of a sudden Klopp pushed forward his fullback to become the attacking outlet, now we need backup for this and that because this is how we play apparently.

The theme here is, we seemed to change each season as we go to find new ways to break teams down as they found ways to stop us. Yes we do need to have a backup for Robertson, but not necessarily someone who could provide 11 assists or even half that per season. All that fella needs to do is to know how to defend. These are fullbacks, a defender. Their jobs are defend first and then attack. So happened this season they are our main attacking providers, does not mean they will always be one and our game plan is stuck that way.

Relax.... let Klopp do his thing. None of us knew we were in for Fabinho. Look at how that turned out!
But it's not new. He got 8 assists from left back last season from Moreno and Robertson (half a season each) when Andy had just arrived and was settling in. Despite both being young and stepping up he got 5 assists on the right from Gomez and Alexander-Arnold too. Year before he got some joy from using Milner at LB and had to settle for using Clyne at RB what he inherited but Klopp has been working to create this all along. Robertson has only been here 2 years and Alexander-Arnold is only 20, they are both special and rare players. The plan simply works better with them now than the plan has worked in the past.