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RedForever2014

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What's strange is the complete lack of self awareness from those who continue to say we need to do this or that when they've made many similar statements over the last few years that have proven to be wrong.
Wrong by what measure? Trophies?
 

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Sessegnon to be an understudy for Robbo and also an alternative as winger/forward.

Werner to play anywhere in the attack. If we can't get him we go for Zaha.

That's all we need.
 



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If you can't see the improvement in our football team already it would be futile for me to attempt explain it.
It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
 

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It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
Was his name Barry Headnapp?
 



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Is Klopp always right?

Klopp has done extremely well to turn this club around and he deserves a lot of credit. Despite that the club still has not won a trophy.
This is something you hear a lot, and it isn’t a fair criticism. There is little more Klopp could do to win a trophy. Under him we’ve got to three finals and posted a ninety seven point season. You also need luck as well.
 

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Wrong by what measure? Trophies?
This is a beauty of a comment. If ever anyone was more interested in being proved right then this comment exemplifies it. Are you honestly suggesting that Klopp could have done more to get rid of the deadwood, build us a team that is challenging for the major trophies and with a solid base for the future to keep challenging?

Tell us how many top flight trophies you've won in your forum career?
 

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It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
It's silly to compare season points really. That would mean Man City have regressed because they only got 98 this time.
 

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Of the players linked with us i will personally go for Dybala, Ziyech and a young CB. The reason being Dybala can play in any of the front 3 positions . Ziyech is the creative spark from midfield we lacked at times. And at 25 million he is a no-brainer especially if Lallana leaves. Harry Wilson could compete for the LW/LF position. Considering Ox and Keita back we are well stocked at midfield. We also need to promote a LB from academy as an understudy to Robertson and provide him game time when we are cruising through games and there is always Milner who can fill-in if needed.
 

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Of the players linked with us i will personally go for Dybala, Ziyech and a young CB. The reason being Dybala can play in any of the front 3 positions . Ziyech is the creative spark from midfield we lacked at times. And at 25 million he is a no-brainer especially if Lallana leaves. Harry Wilson could compete for the LW/LF position. Considering Ox and Keita back we are well stocked at midfield. We also need to promote a LB from academy as an understudy to Robertson and provide him game time when we are cruising through games and there is always Milner who can fill-in if needed.
Actually for LB, Adam Lewis got a new contract earlier this year, and his contract is said to be long-term. This means Klopp certainly has some plan for him next season.
 



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I'd say Steven Bergwijn or David Neres would be much closer to the starting11 than Origi or Shaqiri for example and both have the potential to reach the level of our Front3.
IMO Neres is much better. Been selected in the Brazilian squad for the Copa America yesterday.

I keep saying that Ziyech has a chip on his shoulder and shows only up when he feel like it. He has a gifted left foot and a great work rate but the ball loss, his shooting and free kicks are terrible. At 27 he still plays in the Mickey Mouse competition, there is a reason for that, I pass.
 
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IMO Neres is much better. Been selected in the Brazilian squad for the Copa America yesterday.

I keep saying that Ziyech has a chip on his shoulder and shows only up when he feel like it. He has a gifted left foot and a great work rate but the ball loss, his shooting and free kicks are terrible. At 27 he still plays in the Mickey Mouse competition, there is a reason for that, I pass.
Fabinho wasn’t included in the Brazil squad at the World Cup and now again not in the squad for the Copa.

Firmino wasn’t their main CF at the WC and I don’t think the manager will change it at the Copa.

So Neres being in the Brazil squad tells nothing about his quality but he has great potential I would say.

For me Bergwijn looks physically a bit stronger so I’d prefer him.
 

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Ok it's easy to see how many games players have missed and how well teams have coped.

We were reliant on Alisson (who has only missed 2 games), VvD (who has only missed 3 games), Robertson (who has missed 5), Mane (missed 3), Salah (missed 1) and Firmino (missed 5).

City might have been reliant on players but they missed or were rested a lot more than ours. Ederson missed 6 games. Kompany missed 35. Stones missed 22. Fernandinho missed 18. Sterling missed 10. Aguero missed 14.

We really can't miss Salah, Firmino or Mane for a run of 10 games as we wouldn't have a Gabriel Jesus or Leroy Sane to come in. People say they can't cope without Fernandinho but they played without him 18 times this year and got 98 points. He missed 10 games last year when they got 100 points. And he's their most "can't miss" player that they don't have a real alternative for. We have about 5 or 6 we couldn't cope with resting.
Is it our squad's fault that they lacked opportunities to prove their worth in your eyes just because our club's medical and physio team coped better with the first team players' stresses and strains than City's did?
I can see a case for the argument that increased competition for places in a squad generally raises standards, but you aren't able to base the last sentence of your post on any evidence. Indeed the few games where Firmino Salah etc were missing form mounting circumstantial evidence that if anything, our squad players can perform better than City's when turning round an almost lost cause situation. That trophy we crave will come. Be patient please! I'll be saying the same thing irresepective of the result in Madrid (but hopefully referring to being patient only about the league title -fingers crossed)
 
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If you can't see the improvement in our football team already it would be futile for me to attempt explain it.
This is a beauty of a comment. If ever anyone was more interested in being proved right then this comment exemplifies it. Are you honestly suggesting that Klopp could have done more to get rid of the deadwood, build us a team that is challenging for the major trophies and with a solid base for the future to keep challenging?

Tell us how many top flight trophies you've won in your forum career?
There's been clear improvement.

Why? Because we invested in 3 or 4 quality players each summer and upgraded half the squad over 3 years.

We used the Coutinho money and the sale of unwanted Rodgers players to fund most of it, £30m a season from the club's revenues to fund the rest.

4 or 5 of those Klopp inherited are good enough to remain, the final 3 or 4 (maybe 5) of the Rodgers era players now need to be upgraded to complete the job.

So why stop the good work now?

I read in a national newspaper once, that LFC has perfected the art of not grasping opportunity, of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, of getting to within touching distance of being what a club like LFC should be, only to fail to take the next step.

This mainly referred to the untimely selling of key players, but equally could now apply to any untimely cessation of finishing the building job.

We will see what happens, but IMO we should be signing 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

As to wanting to prove a point. On the contrary, I'm desperate to win the CL, not least because if we don't I suspect key players might be tempted elsewhere.

But I also suspect that winning it will be latched on as a reason not to invest further, instead of being a reason to do so and maximise our trophy haul thereafter.

I find it utterly staggering that having waited years to be a go to club, we wouldn't take that opportunity to add players we clearly need.
 



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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
 

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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
It's common sense what you say @Nikola but I still have an inkling for a versatile defender who could cover both central and full back positions. It would be preferable for a left-footed player to cover Robbo's position, but a two-footed player would be like winning the Euromillions jackpot to us.
 

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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
Good post, but personally I think that it's perfectly possible to add 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

It's bizarre for people to suggest that of the 1000s of professional players out there the club can't find 3 or 4 who fit the bill.

Ultimately we need a squad of 20 or more outfield usable. Maybe not two identical best 11s, but certainly 20 usable players. To get that we need 3 or 4 quality signings.

You see in the Echo, on here, and elsewhere, a kind of guerrilla war of expectation setting, talking down what needs to be done.

Some of the comments are so similar, it's like the people making those comments are on the FSG payroll.
 

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Sell:
Lallana
Moreno
Mignolet
Lovren
Sturridge
Grujic
Clyne

Buy:
De ligt
Ziyech
Zaha
Chilwell

Extension:
Milner

I know many of us(including me) didnt want zaha.
Looking back, he has matured very well and is a real threat and can easily slot in for mane or salah when required.
Same with ziyech. Those two would make our attack very strong.

Throw in wild cards like wilson and Brewster, its exciting
 

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Two or three players in our squad today which we will find it hard to have a backup if he's out. Van Dijk, Alisson and Salah. We've coped rather well without Firmino in the last two games and it's down to Klopp pushing Henderson higher up, which helped in our pressing game. But Salah might be hard to replace, but not harder than Van Dijk and Alisson. Now those two will be near impossible to find a backup that don't compromise our quality at all.
 



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I'd say Steven Bergwijn or David Neres would be much closer to the starting11 than Origi or Shaqiri for example and both have the potential to reach the level of our Front3.
I'm not sold on Neres. He has awesome movement and work rate, but I just don't see that top quality. I think Shaq is under rated as a point player, I rate him higher than Neres on current achievements.
 

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Really? Each of our front three is world class in their primary role. You think both of the players you mention could become world class?
Without knowing much if anything about those two specific players, should point out that most would not have said similar (indeed, some were underwhelmed at the prospect of both) about Salah, Mane and even Firmino coming off the back of how he looked playing under BR.

The Klopp factor in improving players shouldn't be overlooked, and with any potential target it's hard to say how good they could become when given the chance to work with him.
 

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Really? Each of our front three is world class in their primary role. You think both of the players you mention could become world class?
Seems like you still haven’t understood that Klopp can turn any C- player at least into a B+ player.

And Neres and Bergwijn are already 'good' CL players.
 

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Without knowing much if anything about those two specific players, should point out that most would not have said similar (indeed, some were underwhelmed at the prospect of both) about Salah, Mane and even Firmino coming off the back of how he looked playing under BR.

The Klopp factor in improving players shouldn't be overlooked, and with any potential target it's hard to say how good they could become when given the chance to work with him.
Salah was a world beater in regards to speed, dribbles and chances created. His problem was goals. But the top, top qualities were there for everyone to see.

Mane was a physical beast, and when he was on he could rip top PL teams apart. His problem was consistancy. Once again, the top qualities were there for everyone to see.

I just can't see that with Neres. I don't see any individual world class attributes. He may very well have enough all round abilities, but I just don't think he fits Klopp's bill. Especially if you add his height (lack of) and build.