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That's an incredibly thin argument. Klopp's judgement so far has been impeccable and has saw us change from a club in decline to competing with the cheats down the m62.

What a way to downplay his work so far.
The mantra that Klopp or the club cannot be questioned is a bit strange. Almost like blind faith.

Klopp has done well, more than well, but raising the point about not winning a trophy is not without merit. Though this is more pointed to the club as a whole than Klopp himself. I have no qualms with Klopp. He's brilliant. Nonetheless the team needs to improve.
 

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Ok it's easy to see how many games players have missed and how well teams have coped.

We were reliant on Alisson (who has only missed 2 games), VvD (who has only missed 3 games), Robertson (who has missed 5), Mane (missed 3), Salah (missed 1) and Firmino (missed 5).

City might have been reliant on players but they missed or were rested a lot more than ours. Ederson missed 6 games. Kompany missed 35. Stones missed 22. Fernandinho missed 18. Sterling missed 10. Aguero missed 14.

We really can't miss Salah, Firmino or Mane for a run of 10 games as we wouldn't have a Gabriel Jesus or Leroy Sane to come in. People say they can't cope without Fernandinho but they played without him 18 times this year and got 98 points. He missed 10 games last year when they got 100 points. And he's their most "can't miss" player that they don't have a real alternative for. We have about 5 or 6 we couldn't cope with resting.
 

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But unavailable for almost the entire season. We're not talking about the strength of the squad on paper right, we're talking about genuine usable options. Ox and Brewster will be additions in that perspective relative to last year.
They are only additions if they were replaced last summer. They weren't. Places in the squad were left open for them and not filled with other players and we got by with what we had. That doesn't mean we are adding them it means we were without them.
 

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I see us needing to bolster our squad with the introduction of a defender who can play two or three roles and an attacking midfielder such as been suggested already in a Mané type of player. A princely sum doesn't have to be spent and most probably won't. It wouldn't surprise me if nobody was brought in by Klopp, but we would be running on empty if long injuries to key players came about. I think we all know that Klopp knows what he is doing and won't be rushed into buying anyone he deems not suitable for his game plan.
 

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They are only additions if they were replaced last summer. They weren't. Places in the squad were left open for them and not filled with other players and we got by with what we had. That doesn't mean we are adding them it means we were without them.
We are talking about how does the squad become stronger than last year. If there are players that were ours but not available for selection last year, but will be next year then they are part of that equation. That applies to injured players like Ox and Brewster, just as it does potentially players like Wilson.
 

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Ok it's easy to see how many games players have missed and how well teams have coped.

We were reliant on Alisson (who has only missed 2 games), VvD (who has only missed 3 games), Robertson (who has missed 5), Mane (missed 3), Salah (missed 1) and Firmino (missed 5).

City might have been reliant on players but they missed or were rested a lot more than ours. Ederson missed 6 games. Kompany missed 35. Stones missed 22. Fernandinho missed 18. Sterling missed 10. Aguero missed 14.

We really can't miss Salah, Firmino or Mane for a run of 10 games as we wouldn't have a Gabriel Jesus or Leroy Sane to come in. People say they can't cope without Fernandinho but they played without him 18 times this year and got 98 points. He missed 10 games last year when they got 100 points. And he's their most "can't miss" player that they don't have a real alternative for. We have about 5 or 6 we couldn't cope with resting.
Not exactly comparing apples to apples are we? Alisson probably misses more if we played more than 2 cup games domestically (like Ederson), Stones should be compared to # games Lovren missed, Ox missed how many games? Teams survive, we survived. We've been missing a #6 for the last 2-3 years until Fab settled in, and how have we done? 2 CL finals and our best ever point total. Teams survive and move on.
 

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They are only additions if they were replaced last summer. They weren't. Places in the squad were left open for them and not filled with other players and we got by with what we had. That doesn't mean we are adding them it means we were without them.
And this means you are just being pedantic and pretending not to understand the point.
 

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What's strange is the complete lack of self awareness from those who continue to say we need to do this or that when they've made many similar statements over the last few years that have proven to be wrong.
Wrong by what measure? Trophies?
 

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Sessegnon to be an understudy for Robbo and also an alternative as winger/forward.

Werner to play anywhere in the attack. If we can't get him we go for Zaha.

That's all we need.
 

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If you can't see the improvement in our football team already it would be futile for me to attempt explain it.
It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
 

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It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
Was his name Barry Headnapp?
 

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Is Klopp always right?

Klopp has done extremely well to turn this club around and he deserves a lot of credit. Despite that the club still has not won a trophy.
This is something you hear a lot, and it isn’t a fair criticism. There is little more Klopp could do to win a trophy. Under him we’ve got to three finals and posted a ninety seven point season. You also need luck as well.
 

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Wrong by what measure? Trophies?
This is a beauty of a comment. If ever anyone was more interested in being proved right then this comment exemplifies it. Are you honestly suggesting that Klopp could have done more to get rid of the deadwood, build us a team that is challenging for the major trophies and with a solid base for the future to keep challenging?

Tell us how many top flight trophies you've won in your forum career?
 

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It's interesting, Zinny and I know a guy who was arguing blind that Poch hasnt actually improved Spurs because their point totals (except for one year) under him have been comparable to those from the years past. Even ignoring that "comparable" was very arbitrarily defined, it is clearly bollocks
It's silly to compare season points really. That would mean Man City have regressed because they only got 98 this time.
 

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Of the players linked with us i will personally go for Dybala, Ziyech and a young CB. The reason being Dybala can play in any of the front 3 positions . Ziyech is the creative spark from midfield we lacked at times. And at 25 million he is a no-brainer especially if Lallana leaves. Harry Wilson could compete for the LW/LF position. Considering Ox and Keita back we are well stocked at midfield. We also need to promote a LB from academy as an understudy to Robertson and provide him game time when we are cruising through games and there is always Milner who can fill-in if needed.
 

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Of the players linked with us i will personally go for Dybala, Ziyech and a young CB. The reason being Dybala can play in any of the front 3 positions . Ziyech is the creative spark from midfield we lacked at times. And at 25 million he is a no-brainer especially if Lallana leaves. Harry Wilson could compete for the LW/LF position. Considering Ox and Keita back we are well stocked at midfield. We also need to promote a LB from academy as an understudy to Robertson and provide him game time when we are cruising through games and there is always Milner who can fill-in if needed.
Actually for LB, Adam Lewis got a new contract earlier this year, and his contract is said to be long-term. This means Klopp certainly has some plan for him next season.
 

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I'd say Steven Bergwijn or David Neres would be much closer to the starting11 than Origi or Shaqiri for example and both have the potential to reach the level of our Front3.
IMO Neres is much better. Been selected in the Brazilian squad for the Copa America yesterday.

I keep saying that Ziyech has a chip on his shoulder and shows only up when he feel like it. He has a gifted left foot and a great work rate but the ball loss, his shooting and free kicks are terrible. At 27 he still plays in the Mickey Mouse competition, there is a reason for that, I pass.
 
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IMO Neres is much better. Been selected in the Brazilian squad for the Copa America yesterday.

I keep saying that Ziyech has a chip on his shoulder and shows only up when he feel like it. He has a gifted left foot and a great work rate but the ball loss, his shooting and free kicks are terrible. At 27 he still plays in the Mickey Mouse competition, there is a reason for that, I pass.
Fabinho wasn’t included in the Brazil squad at the World Cup and now again not in the squad for the Copa.

Firmino wasn’t their main CF at the WC and I don’t think the manager will change it at the Copa.

So Neres being in the Brazil squad tells nothing about his quality but he has great potential I would say.

For me Bergwijn looks physically a bit stronger so I’d prefer him.
 

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Ok it's easy to see how many games players have missed and how well teams have coped.

We were reliant on Alisson (who has only missed 2 games), VvD (who has only missed 3 games), Robertson (who has missed 5), Mane (missed 3), Salah (missed 1) and Firmino (missed 5).

City might have been reliant on players but they missed or were rested a lot more than ours. Ederson missed 6 games. Kompany missed 35. Stones missed 22. Fernandinho missed 18. Sterling missed 10. Aguero missed 14.

We really can't miss Salah, Firmino or Mane for a run of 10 games as we wouldn't have a Gabriel Jesus or Leroy Sane to come in. People say they can't cope without Fernandinho but they played without him 18 times this year and got 98 points. He missed 10 games last year when they got 100 points. And he's their most "can't miss" player that they don't have a real alternative for. We have about 5 or 6 we couldn't cope with resting.
Is it our squad's fault that they lacked opportunities to prove their worth in your eyes just because our club's medical and physio team coped better with the first team players' stresses and strains than City's did?
I can see a case for the argument that increased competition for places in a squad generally raises standards, but you aren't able to base the last sentence of your post on any evidence. Indeed the few games where Firmino Salah etc were missing form mounting circumstantial evidence that if anything, our squad players can perform better than City's when turning round an almost lost cause situation. That trophy we crave will come. Be patient please! I'll be saying the same thing irresepective of the result in Madrid (but hopefully referring to being patient only about the league title -fingers crossed)
 
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If you can't see the improvement in our football team already it would be futile for me to attempt explain it.
This is a beauty of a comment. If ever anyone was more interested in being proved right then this comment exemplifies it. Are you honestly suggesting that Klopp could have done more to get rid of the deadwood, build us a team that is challenging for the major trophies and with a solid base for the future to keep challenging?

Tell us how many top flight trophies you've won in your forum career?
There's been clear improvement.

Why? Because we invested in 3 or 4 quality players each summer and upgraded half the squad over 3 years.

We used the Coutinho money and the sale of unwanted Rodgers players to fund most of it, £30m a season from the club's revenues to fund the rest.

4 or 5 of those Klopp inherited are good enough to remain, the final 3 or 4 (maybe 5) of the Rodgers era players now need to be upgraded to complete the job.

So why stop the good work now?

I read in a national newspaper once, that LFC has perfected the art of not grasping opportunity, of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, of getting to within touching distance of being what a club like LFC should be, only to fail to take the next step.

This mainly referred to the untimely selling of key players, but equally could now apply to any untimely cessation of finishing the building job.

We will see what happens, but IMO we should be signing 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

As to wanting to prove a point. On the contrary, I'm desperate to win the CL, not least because if we don't I suspect key players might be tempted elsewhere.

But I also suspect that winning it will be latched on as a reason not to invest further, instead of being a reason to do so and maximise our trophy haul thereafter.

I find it utterly staggering that having waited years to be a go to club, we wouldn't take that opportunity to add players we clearly need.
 

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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
 

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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
It's common sense what you say @Nikola but I still have an inkling for a versatile defender who could cover both central and full back positions. It would be preferable for a left-footed player to cover Robbo's position, but a two-footed player would be like winning the Euromillions jackpot to us.