Who would you buy?

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I understand where Carra is coming from, I understand people who are asking for signings. Frankly, Man City have skewed our perception a bit (a lot) given that they've essentially cheated their way to trophies by buying almost two quality elevens.

Finding a player like Mane is easier said than done, though. A lot of players will look at Liverpool's front three and think "yeah, I'm not getting into that". I presume that's why Klopp wants to stick with Origi, he understood what he was up against and didn't wilt under pressure. That said, I'd really like Klopp to sign a versatile winger (because I feel Liverpool need that kind of player) but he's earned my trust, if he thinks he's better off with what he has, I have no big issues with that.

Also, I think it's not far-fetched to say that Klopp's biggest new signings for this summer are already at Liverpool. What we wouldn't give to have AOC fully and consistently fit and firing, as well as Brewster, a forward with pace to burn and instinct for goal? Also, Gomez, who missed a half of the season, and Keita, who's had a stop-start season, are firmly in the "new signings" bracket for me. Also, Wilson perhaps? Fitness of such players is invaluable, even more than new signings. Also, there's a clear path for certain youngsters (Hoever, Larouci, Rhys Williams, perhaps even Jones), and promoting youngsters should be a cornerstone of every big club.

I really hope Klopp can solve two or three glaring holes in the squad this summer but it's not a straightforward process. I'm very pleased with what he's done so far, even if I didn't understand a few of his decisions. If there are no significant injuries and certain players keep improving (the aforementioned four especially, as well as Shaqiri, potentially even Wilson), Liverpool will probably be alright.
Good post, but personally I think that it's perfectly possible to add 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

It's bizarre for people to suggest that of the 1000s of professional players out there the club can't find 3 or 4 who fit the bill.

Ultimately we need a squad of 20 or more outfield usable. Maybe not two identical best 11s, but certainly 20 usable players. To get that we need 3 or 4 quality signings.

You see in the Echo, on here, and elsewhere, a kind of guerrilla war of expectation setting, talking down what needs to be done.

Some of the comments are so similar, it's like the people making those comments are on the FSG payroll.
 

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Sell:
Lallana
Moreno
Mignolet
Lovren
Sturridge
Grujic
Clyne

Buy:
De ligt
Ziyech
Zaha
Chilwell

Extension:
Milner

I know many of us(including me) didnt want zaha.
Looking back, he has matured very well and is a real threat and can easily slot in for mane or salah when required.
Same with ziyech. Those two would make our attack very strong.

Throw in wild cards like wilson and Brewster, its exciting
 

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Two or three players in our squad today which we will find it hard to have a backup if he's out. Van Dijk, Alisson and Salah. We've coped rather well without Firmino in the last two games and it's down to Klopp pushing Henderson higher up, which helped in our pressing game. But Salah might be hard to replace, but not harder than Van Dijk and Alisson. Now those two will be near impossible to find a backup that don't compromise our quality at all.
 

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I'd say Steven Bergwijn or David Neres would be much closer to the starting11 than Origi or Shaqiri for example and both have the potential to reach the level of our Front3.
I'm not sold on Neres. He has awesome movement and work rate, but I just don't see that top quality. I think Shaq is under rated as a point player, I rate him higher than Neres on current achievements.
 

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Really? Each of our front three is world class in their primary role. You think both of the players you mention could become world class?
Without knowing much if anything about those two specific players, should point out that most would not have said similar (indeed, some were underwhelmed at the prospect of both) about Salah, Mane and even Firmino coming off the back of how he looked playing under BR.

The Klopp factor in improving players shouldn't be overlooked, and with any potential target it's hard to say how good they could become when given the chance to work with him.
 

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Really? Each of our front three is world class in their primary role. You think both of the players you mention could become world class?
Seems like you still haven’t understood that Klopp can turn any C- player at least into a B+ player.

And Neres and Bergwijn are already 'good' CL players.
 

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Without knowing much if anything about those two specific players, should point out that most would not have said similar (indeed, some were underwhelmed at the prospect of both) about Salah, Mane and even Firmino coming off the back of how he looked playing under BR.

The Klopp factor in improving players shouldn't be overlooked, and with any potential target it's hard to say how good they could become when given the chance to work with him.
Salah was a world beater in regards to speed, dribbles and chances created. His problem was goals. But the top, top qualities were there for everyone to see.

Mane was a physical beast, and when he was on he could rip top PL teams apart. His problem was consistancy. Once again, the top qualities were there for everyone to see.

I just can't see that with Neres. I don't see any individual world class attributes. He may very well have enough all round abilities, but I just don't think he fits Klopp's bill. Especially if you add his height (lack of) and build.
 

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Salah was a world beater in regards to speed, dribbles and chances created. His problem was goals. But the top, top qualities were there for everyone to see.

Mane was a physical beast, and when he was on he could rip top PL teams apart. His problem was consistancy. Once again, the top qualities were there for everyone to see.

I just can't see that with Neres. I don't see any individual world class attributes. He may very well have enough all round abilities, but I just don't think he fits Klopp's bill. Especially if you add his height (lack of) and build.
Salah's goalscoring before joining was not a problem. He was averaging a goal every two or three games since Basel.

I havent a clue about Neres.
 

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Seems like you still haven’t understood that Klopp can turn any C- player at least into a B+ player.

And Neres and Bergwijn are already 'good' CL players.
No, I get that, but particularly for attacking positions coaching can only do so much. Fundamentally, the players still need to have the necessary talent and attributes.

You also need to have the right aptitude to reach the level of our front three.
 

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At this point I do not anticipate big-money expenditures. I'd love to dream about having a dynamic AM, but it sounds to me that Klopp is focused on trying to increase squad depth. What is our sense of Harry Wilson? He seems to have had a good year at Derby County, but he's almost never mentioned as a long-term option for Klopp.
Don’t think Wilson has the quality about him to really make it here at Liverpool even as a sub. Good Championship player and an okay Premier League player for a bottom half club. Looking at his competition( Shaqiri and Origi). Don’t think he will get his game time or will push on much further into the starting 11.
 

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Don’t think Wilson has the quality about him to really make it here at Liverpool even as a sub. Good Championship player and an okay Premier League player for a bottom half club. Looking at his competition( Shaqiri and Origi). Don’t think he will get his game time or will push on much further into the starting 11.
Looking at the success of Brooks and Maddison and comparing their numbers in the Championship to Wilson's I'd say there's a good chance Wilson is better than that.
 

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Bournemouth just signed Liverpool ‘target’ Lloyd Kelly from Bristol City. With the left back backup position still free, surely Klopp with have to look to strengthen there.
 

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Contrary to what Jamie Carragher is saying, I definitely wouldn't re-sign Coutinho. A great free kick specialist but I never rated him that much other than that. Jamie's wrong about Xabi Alonso. The main reason he left was because Rafa made it clear he wanted to bring in Gareth Barry who he pursued for ages.
 

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I would rather have Pepe over Neres, Bergwijn and Zaha
Haven't seen much of Pepe, but from what I have he is superb and could see him being ace with us. Probably the main stumbling block there though is that he plays in Salah's position.

Depending on how versatile he could be under Klopp's tutelage though.
 

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Contrary to what Jamie Carragher is saying, I definitely wouldn't re-sign Coutinho. A great free kick specialist but I never rated him that much other than that. Jamie's wrong about Xabi Alonso. The main reason he left was because Rafa made it clear he wanted to bring in Gareth Barry who he pursued for ages.
Haven't seen Carra's comments, what is he saying about Shabby?
 

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Bournemouth just signed Liverpool ‘target’ Lloyd Kelly from Bristol City. With the left back backup position still free, surely Klopp with have to look to strengthen there.
I know we were linked with Kelly in the papers, I think the fact that the player has signed for Bournemouth suggests that we were really not that interested.
 

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@William Clarke, yeah, that would be great but I suspect that Klopp will be looking to cover those fullback positions with Milner and Gomez if he can't find a suitable player. That said, Larouci and Hoever, while still very young and defensively naive, are very talented and I'm sure that Klopp will do everything to turn such talents into proper players.

@RedForever2014, there probably is enough space to get two players since Moreno and Sturridge are leaving but four, without anyone else leaving, is a bit of a crowd for Klopp, I believe, especially as Liverpool won't be able to sign a player who is first XI material. I mean, when all are fit, not many players would be able to strengthen this first XI and I don't think a full international, a Champions League last 16-level player will come and hope someone gets injured or goes out of form. I really hope Lovren is replaced by a better, more reliable player, as well as Sturridge and Moreno, but on top of that, you have the injured quartet hopefully coming back strong next season plus maybe Wilson.

I really don't think it has anything to do with FSG, I thought we were beyond that. They'll never spend like state-owned clubs, Klopp and Pochettino have shown that you can run clubs in an honest manner and not buy and cheat your way through football. The support he got, though, every penny has been reinvested, Liverpool have never had a more expensive team. I'm sure that they will fund another 50 million pounds player or two if Klopp demands it - I just think he won't, looking at this bunch, that's not his way.
 

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I know we were linked with Kelly in the papers, I think the fact that the player has signed for Bournemouth suggests that we were really not that interested.
Kelly just like Nathan Aké can play LB and CB. Maybe he is a direct replacement.

If Lovren decides to leave I’d be happy with Aké. Bags of potential and can cover LB.
 

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This is something you hear a lot, and it isn’t a fair criticism. There is little more Klopp could do to win a trophy. Under him we’ve got to four finals and posted a ninety seven point season. You also need luck as well.
:cheers:
 



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There's been clear improvement.

Why? Because we invested in 3 or 4 quality players each summer and upgraded half the squad over 3 years.

We used the Coutinho money and the sale of unwanted Rodgers players to fund most of it, £30m a season from the club's revenues to fund the rest.

4 or 5 of those Klopp inherited are good enough to remain, the final 3 or 4 (maybe 5) of the Rodgers era players now need to be upgraded to complete the job.

So why stop the good work now?

I read in a national newspaper once, that LFC has perfected the art of not grasping opportunity, of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, of getting to within touching distance of being what a club like LFC should be, only to fail to take the next step.

This mainly referred to the untimely selling of key players, but equally could now apply to any untimely cessation of finishing the building job.

We will see what happens, but IMO we should be signing 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

As to wanting to prove a point. On the contrary, I'm desperate to win the CL, not least because if we don't I suspect key players might be tempted elsewhere.

But I also suspect that winning it will be latched on as a reason not to invest further, instead of being a reason to do so and maximise our trophy haul thereafter.

I find it utterly staggering that having waited years to be a go to club, we wouldn't take that opportunity to add players we clearly need.
Nobody says we should stop the good work now. You're not even answering the points that have been raised to you, you're just copying and pasting the same old same old.

What justification do you have, looking at Klopp's time as manager here to think he has decided we've come as far as we can and that there is no need to improve?
 

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To reaffirm what the player said and confirming his position in the summer...
Maybe he's just very loyal to his club?
So "the Champions League is an important factor" and that "As things look now... " (when they were 5th and not qualifying for the CL) "...I'll 100 percent be here for next season".