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Who would you buy?

redfanman

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Salah was a world beater in regards to speed, dribbles and chances created. His problem was goals. But the top, top qualities were there for everyone to see.

Mane was a physical beast, and when he was on he could rip top PL teams apart. His problem was consistancy. Once again, the top qualities were there for everyone to see.

I just can't see that with Neres. I don't see any individual world class attributes. He may very well have enough all round abilities, but I just don't think he fits Klopp's bill. Especially if you add his height (lack of) and build.
Salah's goalscoring before joining was not a problem. He was averaging a goal every two or three games since Basel.

I havent a clue about Neres.
 


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Seems like you still haven’t understood that Klopp can turn any C- player at least into a B+ player.

And Neres and Bergwijn are already 'good' CL players.
No, I get that, but particularly for attacking positions coaching can only do so much. Fundamentally, the players still need to have the necessary talent and attributes.

You also need to have the right aptitude to reach the level of our front three.
 

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At this point I do not anticipate big-money expenditures. I'd love to dream about having a dynamic AM, but it sounds to me that Klopp is focused on trying to increase squad depth. What is our sense of Harry Wilson? He seems to have had a good year at Derby County, but he's almost never mentioned as a long-term option for Klopp.
Don’t think Wilson has the quality about him to really make it here at Liverpool even as a sub. Good Championship player and an okay Premier League player for a bottom half club. Looking at his competition( Shaqiri and Origi). Don’t think he will get his game time or will push on much further into the starting 11.
 

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Don’t think Wilson has the quality about him to really make it here at Liverpool even as a sub. Good Championship player and an okay Premier League player for a bottom half club. Looking at his competition( Shaqiri and Origi). Don’t think he will get his game time or will push on much further into the starting 11.
Looking at the success of Brooks and Maddison and comparing their numbers in the Championship to Wilson's I'd say there's a good chance Wilson is better than that.
 

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Bournemouth just signed Liverpool ‘target’ Lloyd Kelly from Bristol City. With the left back backup position still free, surely Klopp with have to look to strengthen there.
 



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Contrary to what Jamie Carragher is saying, I definitely wouldn't re-sign Coutinho. A great free kick specialist but I never rated him that much other than that. Jamie's wrong about Xabi Alonso. The main reason he left was because Rafa made it clear he wanted to bring in Gareth Barry who he pursued for ages.
 

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I would rather have Pepe over Neres, Bergwijn and Zaha
Haven't seen much of Pepe, but from what I have he is superb and could see him being ace with us. Probably the main stumbling block there though is that he plays in Salah's position.

Depending on how versatile he could be under Klopp's tutelage though.
 

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Contrary to what Jamie Carragher is saying, I definitely wouldn't re-sign Coutinho. A great free kick specialist but I never rated him that much other than that. Jamie's wrong about Xabi Alonso. The main reason he left was because Rafa made it clear he wanted to bring in Gareth Barry who he pursued for ages.
Haven't seen Carra's comments, what is he saying about Shabby?
 

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Bournemouth just signed Liverpool ‘target’ Lloyd Kelly from Bristol City. With the left back backup position still free, surely Klopp with have to look to strengthen there.
I know we were linked with Kelly in the papers, I think the fact that the player has signed for Bournemouth suggests that we were really not that interested.
 



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@William Clarke, yeah, that would be great but I suspect that Klopp will be looking to cover those fullback positions with Milner and Gomez if he can't find a suitable player. That said, Larouci and Hoever, while still very young and defensively naive, are very talented and I'm sure that Klopp will do everything to turn such talents into proper players.

@RedForever2014, there probably is enough space to get two players since Moreno and Sturridge are leaving but four, without anyone else leaving, is a bit of a crowd for Klopp, I believe, especially as Liverpool won't be able to sign a player who is first XI material. I mean, when all are fit, not many players would be able to strengthen this first XI and I don't think a full international, a Champions League last 16-level player will come and hope someone gets injured or goes out of form. I really hope Lovren is replaced by a better, more reliable player, as well as Sturridge and Moreno, but on top of that, you have the injured quartet hopefully coming back strong next season plus maybe Wilson.

I really don't think it has anything to do with FSG, I thought we were beyond that. They'll never spend like state-owned clubs, Klopp and Pochettino have shown that you can run clubs in an honest manner and not buy and cheat your way through football. The support he got, though, every penny has been reinvested, Liverpool have never had a more expensive team. I'm sure that they will fund another 50 million pounds player or two if Klopp demands it - I just think he won't, looking at this bunch, that's not his way.
 

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I know we were linked with Kelly in the papers, I think the fact that the player has signed for Bournemouth suggests that we were really not that interested.
Kelly just like Nathan Aké can play LB and CB. Maybe he is a direct replacement.

If Lovren decides to leave I’d be happy with Aké. Bags of potential and can cover LB.
 



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There's been clear improvement.

Why? Because we invested in 3 or 4 quality players each summer and upgraded half the squad over 3 years.

We used the Coutinho money and the sale of unwanted Rodgers players to fund most of it, £30m a season from the club's revenues to fund the rest.

4 or 5 of those Klopp inherited are good enough to remain, the final 3 or 4 (maybe 5) of the Rodgers era players now need to be upgraded to complete the job.

So why stop the good work now?

I read in a national newspaper once, that LFC has perfected the art of not grasping opportunity, of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, of getting to within touching distance of being what a club like LFC should be, only to fail to take the next step.

This mainly referred to the untimely selling of key players, but equally could now apply to any untimely cessation of finishing the building job.

We will see what happens, but IMO we should be signing 3 or 4 quality players this summer.

As to wanting to prove a point. On the contrary, I'm desperate to win the CL, not least because if we don't I suspect key players might be tempted elsewhere.

But I also suspect that winning it will be latched on as a reason not to invest further, instead of being a reason to do so and maximise our trophy haul thereafter.

I find it utterly staggering that having waited years to be a go to club, we wouldn't take that opportunity to add players we clearly need.
Nobody says we should stop the good work now. You're not even answering the points that have been raised to you, you're just copying and pasting the same old same old.

What justification do you have, looking at Klopp's time as manager here to think he has decided we've come as far as we can and that there is no need to improve?
 



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To reaffirm what the player said and confirming his position in the summer...
Maybe he's just very loyal to his club?
So "the Champions League is an important factor" and that "As things look now... " (when they were 5th and not qualifying for the CL) "...I'll 100 percent be here for next season".
 

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This is something you hear a lot, and it isn’t a fair criticism. There is little more Klopp could do to win a trophy. Under him we’ve got to three finals and posted a ninety seven point season. You also need luck as well.
Not sure who's criticising Klopp. But criticism towards the club and owners is a bit different when looking at their tenure as a whole. No doubt Klopp, certainly in part has turned the club around. Perhaps Edwards deserves some credit as well.

As for luck sure, but we need to improve the team so luck is the least of our worries. Midfield starting eleven needs improving, another top quality forward to go with the front three, plus another centre back and fullback.

The club hasn't spent all that much either on a relative basis and a few key signings shouldn't be too ambitious. Hopefully this happens.
 
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Carra saying that we should sign Coutinho.

I don't think Klopp would take him back.
I think Coutinho has too much pride to tuck his tail between his legs and come back to Anfield.
 

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When you own a business that operates as a separate legal entity to its owner company, you can extract cash from the owned company to the owner company via inter company charges, whilst making a loss in the owned company.

You can also divert revenues between owned companies in the group, for example having FSM arrange commercial deals for LFC and taking 30% before LFC sees the money.
The figure is open for debate. My estimate would be that in order to extract say 10% of LFC's total revenue, they'd need to take about 30% of the commercial element of that total turnover.

But having a third party, which they happen to own, one which is based in the US, arrange commercial deals on LFC's behalf subject to a X% commission, is the easiest way to do it, and indeed the most discreet way.

That way they book the money elsewhere in their group before it hits LFCs accounts.

It is the diametric opposite to what City are trying to do. Their owners are trying to find ways to get money into the club to use for transfers, ours are probably using the method outlined to take it out, reducing the money in the club, and the turnover that FFP spend calculations are based on.
Yes, but you have no evidence that is what is happening at an extreme level. While it is highly possible FSG may have the club paying at the top end of the market to outsource it's commercial work, what evidence is there that FSG is taking 30% before the club sees any money?

First of all you have been using this line of argument for several years.

We know H&G werent pocketing commercial revenues before they came into the club, and that commercial revenue growth wasnt great during their tenure.

When FSG took over, the club's finances were in a bit of a state and they've found it difficult pre=klopp to grow the commercial revenues. Now, you will probably argue that they were growing them, but were taking much of that growth.

However, we can see what the sort of companies that have been signing deals with the club are - and these have usually not been top tier companies - such as Dunkin Donuts, so the money they pay to the club wont be top tier level payments either.

Secondly, we know FSG have been looking for outside investors. Pocketing money in that way is going to be a red flag to those potential investors, and also reduces the value of the club.

Furthermore, without the exposure from winnng things and being in the Champions League regularly and having a fanbase that probably doesnt have the disposable income other top clubs in England may have it's quite reasonable to assume that the potential sponsors havent found us an attractive proposition.

I dont know if you are suggesting they are deliberately trying to lower the turnover that FFP calculations are based on, but again, i think there is clear evidence to suggest that isnt the case - They have invested in the playing squad and came close to being fined for breaching those FFP limits.
 



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Carra saying that we should sign Coutinho.

I don't think Klopp would take him back.
I think Coutinho has too much pride to tuck his tail between his legs and come back to Anfield.
screw him, decided the grass was greener and left us in the lurch mid season.

barca would want atleast half what they paid and hes not a 60m player imo.

we've been better since he left anyway,cant run and slows the game too much.
 

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Talking about re-signing former players, what about getting Pepe Reina back in as a replacement for Migs? He seems to be angling for that:
“I’m probably the number one fan. It’s home. I was there eight years - nine with the season I was on loan with Napoli. I consider Liverpool my home and it will always be like that. It’s what they say; once a Red, always a Red.”
 

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Talking about re-signing former players, what about getting Pepe Reina back in as a replacement for Migs? He seems to be angling for that:
“I’m probably the number one fan. It’s home. I was there eight years - nine with the season I was on loan with Napoli. I consider Liverpool my home and it will always be like that. It’s what they say; once a Red, always a Red.”
Would be happy with this. Good backup for a season or two, haven't followed his Italian form but better suited to us than mignolet and has dressing room presence; get money for migs who seems like a quiet lad who doesn't add much off the pitch; potential coaching role after that?
 

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Talking about re-signing former players, what about getting Pepe Reina back in as a replacement for Migs? He seems to be angling for that:
“I’m probably the number one fan. It’s home. I was there eight years - nine with the season I was on loan with Napoli. I consider Liverpool my home and it will always be like that. It’s what they say; once a Red, always a Red.”
Would be a much more natural replacement for Allison than Mignolet, and we could actually make a profit from selling Migs and buying Reina. Makes sense to me.
 

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Let's say we want to pick 2 from below list of players to add to our squad. How would you rate these folks, and who would you pick and what's your rationale for that.
Wilson
Brandt
Havertz
Ziyech
Fraser
Neres
Pepe
Bergwijn