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I dont think the analogy is a good one. I dont know how many people had watched Robbo, and so most of the criticisms were based on the idea that we should be aiming higher than a player "no one has heard of" from a relegated team. They were not based on a rationale judgement of his ability. FWIW, as soon as the links were made I was fully on board. My issue with De Ligt is the 5 or 6 times I have seen him this season I do not see the player other people seem to think they are seeing.
I remember when SK Warne made his debut for Aussie.

His grade cricket numbers weren’t off the chart, and his debut was....errr....

But those in the game were just saying ‘look out, this kid is special’

It’s probably not so much what you are seeing on game day, but what is happening off the park that has alerted the elite clubs of Europe.

Having said that, I’ve personally seen fuck all of him.
 



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Guerreiro is a decent shout, my only worry with him would be his fitness record (Transfermarkt says that he has missed fifty games since he joined Dortmund). I like him a lot as a player, though, nice technical ability and he's able to play as both a left back and a central midfielder, just like Klopp likes it.

As for the backup 'keeper, Adrian really isn't a bad shout if Mignolet leaves, in my opinion, he was pretty decent when he was starting for West Ham.
 

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Re Lovren read something quite surprising today - apparently in his entire time at the club, he has never managed 10 consecutive games for us. That's quite incredible given he joined in 2014 and for most of that period was first-choice (it was in the Echo and I haven't fact-checked, stand to be corrected).

I get that people say in terms of quality, as a fourth-choice CB there are probably few better in the league. However, for any backup it's essential they be reliable - it's no good if every time you need to call on them they're also out injured.

I'd have replaced him anyway as I'd like to replace him with a better player, and now I know that about him I'd also replace on the basis that an unreliable backup is of limited use. Throw in the decent pot we could get from his sale and it just makes more sense than not imo.
I thought it was 5 or 7, at least that was the figure doing the rounds before Christmas.
 

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Given that Neil Jones, a reliable journo, has linked us to at least two players for whom we don't have a thread, shouldn't someone start them? @Nikola

If the consensus is that we don't want them, I'll do the honours.
 

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It's all fine and well those saying that as a fourth choice centre back he's fine, but people aren't thinking about it from the other angle - this is a guy who said in an interview a year ago that people needed to recognize that he's one of the best defenders in the world. Now, in videos and whatnot he seems like a goofy fella, so it could be he was deadpanning it for the cameras and maybe secretly winning a bet off the lads back in Melwood who said they'd give him £5k if he said it in an interview - but on the off chance he believes the hype, would he be happy staying here and being that far down the pecking order?
 

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Adrian, Chuckweeze and a young back up LB like Lloyd Kelly. What a shite window that would be.
A shite window would be losing one of our important players.

Anything else will be sound.

I like Adrian, very decent keeper. Would prefer Reina for the sentimentality aspect, though.

No idea who this Chuckwueze is but we seem to do okay with our African signings.

I like the fact the club apparently 'admire' Chilwell and Sessegnon, two players with good attacking capabilities. That type of player is better for us than Kelly.
 



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Given that Neil Jones, a reliable journo, has linked us to at least two players for whom we don't have a thread, shouldn't someone start them? @Nikola

If the consensus is that we don't want them, I'll do the honours.
Based on that goal article, I don't think we'd need a thread for anyone mentioned in there yet. Neil is reliable enough, but its still an article mentioning a lot of names along with many "could be" and "understood"

Edit - that said, since none of the names are fellas setting peoples' trousers on fire, feel free to start a thread and curse them!
 

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It's all fine and well those saying that as a fourth choice centre back he's fine, but people aren't thinking about it from the other angle - this is a guy who said in an interview a year ago that people needed to recognize that he's one of the best defenders in the world. Now, in videos and whatnot he seems like a goofy fella, so it could be he was deadpanning it for the cameras and maybe secretly winning a bet off the lads back in Melwood who said they'd give him £5k if he said it in an interview - but on the off chance he believes the hype, would he be happy staying here and being that far down the pecking order?
I think if he isnt happy being down the pecking order then he will ask to leave. He wont be sticking around being a distraction. Klopp wont be telling him he is a nailed on starter just to keep him sweet, he will make it perfectly clear what the situation is.
 

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"Goal understands Liverpool are unwilling to sanction big-money fees for players they do not feel would immediately start for the club"

Erm, no shite Neil. That said, we paid big money for Fabinho and Keita, neither of whom were immediate starters for us.
 



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"Goal understands Liverpool are unwilling to sanction big-money fees for players they do not feel would immediately start for the club"

Erm, no shite Neil. That said, we paid big money for Fabinho and Keita, neither of whom were immediate starters for us.
I don't get that bit. Maybe he forgot we paid big money for Salah even though we already had Sadio, Bobby and Phil as our front three.
 

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I think if he isnt happy being down the pecking order then he will ask to leave. He wont be sticking around being a distraction. Klopp wont be telling him he is a nailed on starter just to keep him sweet, he will make it perfectly clear what the situation is.
Also Klopp is very reasonable if players want to move on, as long as it isn’t too late in the day. Human being first, playing asset second and all that.

In all honesty I see where @Mousecat is coming from with De Ligt. He woul have to go straight into the first team, and that would be harsh on Gomez who didn’t ask to have his leg broken by a Burnley twat, and certainly didn’t ask to be played at Right Back where injuries for a lad like him are going to be more common.

The difficulty I have is with Van Dijk. While people talk about how injury prone Matip, Gomez, and Lovren are, we forget that Van Dijk was out for six month before he got here, and having Gomez and another belter (like De Ligt) on the books would enable us to give him a bit of rest every now and then. An injury to him could properly fuck us.

With my fantasy football head on, we sell Lovren and pick two from Van Dijk, Gomez and De Ligt, with matip as a fourth choice for the season (he can leave for free next summer).

The realist in me says is more likely we look at the 22 goals we conceded, conclude we can’t do much better, and stick with what we have.
 



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I don't get that bit. Maybe he forgot we paid big money for Salah even though we already had Sadio, Bobby and Phil as our front three.
Maybe the view at that time was that Salah was likely to start ahead of Phil, or the formation was going to change? It also depends on what you regard as big money. The comment is probably aimed at letting down people who think we will spunk up £75m for a young unproven CB to sit on the bench behind Matip and Gomez.
 

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The difficulty I have is with Van Dijk. While people talk about how injury prone Matip, Gomez, and Lovren are, we forget that Van Dijk was out for six month before he got here, and having Gomez and another belter (like De Ligt) on the books would enable us to give him a bit of rest every now and then. An injury to him could properly fuck us.

With my fantasy football head on, we sell Lovren and pick two from Van Dijk, Gomez and De Ligt, with matip as a fourth choice for the season (he can leave for free next summer).

The realist in me says is more likely we look at the 22 goals we conceded, conclude we can’t do much better, and stick with what we have.
The problem with this thinking though is twofold (for me at least)

1st - That De Ligt isnt anywhere near guarenteed to offer the solidity you and others are hoping he will in covering for VVD.
2nd - How does Klopp square making Matip fourth choice after the season he has had, only to make him give way to an incoming player - that doesnt appear to be within his coaching mantra.
 

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Kylian Mbappe. That’s it. No need to spend in January either. Even willing to sell good talented players to make it happen. Wilson, Grujic, Lallana, Origi.

Pipe dream? Yes, but maybe he fancies a try at the premier league and we have to be an attractive destination after back to back champions league finals. Also our manager is just the best.

He can play all across the front line and allows us to actually properly rotate in those positions. Also against some poor soul that just tries to sit back and defend and not offer an attack we can go 4-2-3-1 with Firmino behind a front 3 of Mane, Salah and Mbappe. Still having Robbo and Trent on the overlap.

RIP Burnley. You dead.

Also, I’d be completely fine if we just went into next season with the same squad. A fit Ox and Keita settling further, we could better than this year which is saying something. But if we are playing fantasy land “who would you buy” it be Mbappe. He’s the tits.
 

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The problem with this thinking though is twofold (for me at least)

1st - That De Ligt isnt anywhere near guarenteed to offer the solidity you and others are hoping he will in covering for VVD.
2nd - How does Klopp square making Matip fourth choice after the season he has had, only to make him give way to an incoming player - that doesnt appear to be within his coaching mantra.
That's why I'd be surprised if he sold Shaqiri. I have a lot of time for Neil Jones, his columns on Liverpool are very good and he pops up with decent bits of info from time to time but that Shaqiri part was a bit too generic for me. Of course Liverpool would sell a bit-part player they got cheaply in today's market if they were offered a chance to make a 20+ million pounds profit on him and replace him with someone better suited to Klopp's tactics.

I also don't think he'll sell Wilson and Grujić just yet. Both signed new contracts last year and both are young enough to continue improving, while the club aren't in a situation where they really have to sell to buy (unless Klopp will be going for one or two really expensive players, which I really don't see happening). Selling Mignolet for 10+ million pounds and replacing him with Adrian on a free does make a lot of sense, though, and hopefully there'll be a suitor for Lallana, whose Liverpool career has basically been written off.

At this point, it looks like the U23s will raise more money to Liverpool than first teamers - Camacho (unfortunately), Kent, Ejaria and Awoniyi vs. Mignolet, Clyne and Lallana!
 

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No, Joe Gomez is too good to be written off. If de Ligt was brought into the club I can see nothing but good coming from it. Competition for places is the name of the game for bringing a team on and I would say Joe would relish proving he was as good if not better than the young Dutchman. Again, I say a big no to Gomez being written off.
Theres another young dutchman waiting in the ranks. Give it a couple of years and Hoever will suddenly be a ft taller and as wide as a fridge. No point adding de ligt when a left full back, and some attacking power is really needed.