As soon as that happens, everybody else in the squad wants parity.
RespondingHe's not exactly a speed merchant. As far as stamina - it's so hard to tell, because the way Augsburg plays and the way we play is so massively different, no idea if he could cope with that tbh.
Anway, not sure how likely this is...are there any rumours or are you just asking out of interest?
Reference the LB position, I thought they had ear marked Adam Lewis for this role. I understand he is not the fastest but is highly thought of.He's not exactly a speed merchant. As far as stamina - it's so hard to tell, because the way Augsburg plays and the way we play is so massively different, no idea if he could cope with that tbh.
Anway, not sure how likely this is...are there any rumours or are you just asking out of interest?
I think the lack of creativity is an Elephant in the room scenario. We create an awful lot of chances but in a different manner to City.I personally think most of our creativity stems from the system we play (mainly the forcing of mistakes high up the pitch which we then capitalise on), and the system works because of the players we have performing in it.
For all the talk of a lack of creativity, we've had no problem scoring an amazing amount of goals for at least two seasons now. While our forwards are brilliant, we aren't solely reliant on their brilliance to score, it's the system that allows them to perform to that level.
I'd be quite surprised if this summer we tried to fix what ain't broke.
Sturridge is on about £120k and Lallana won't be anywhere near £180k.
Bale is probably the most anti Klopp signing I could possibly think of.Sturridge is on about £120k and Lallana won't be anywhere near £180k.
Bale is on his way down and the polar opposite of the profile we recruit.
Good analysis.Overall: In terms of talent we are as good as anyone in the world. That said there is still room for improvement. Let's review.
Fullbacks: Trent Alexander Arnold and Robertson both provided double digit assists in the attack and were reliable in the back half. As good a starting pair of fullbacks in the entire world. We will be losing Moreno and Clyne. But backups can be had cheaply or we can even promote from within, Hoever being an extremely bright prospect.
Centerbacks: Virgil Van Dijk is the undisputed best defender in the entire premier league and won Player of the Year. Gomez, Matip, and Lovren are the deputies. In terms of talent the deputies are sufficient, in terms of health they have all been quite injury prone at times. Of these three I'd most like to ship off Lovren and acquire a healthy CB who has the potential to develop into a starter long term.
Goal: Alisson won the Golden Glove in his debut season and has instilled an absolute confidence in his defenders. No improvements needed here. We will probably sell Mignolet and look at a new backup keeper. We recently signed Jakub Ojrzynski but at the tender age of 16 he is likely at least 3 years away from even seeing time as a backup.
Forwards: Mane and Salah shared the golden boot with 22 goals apiece. Simply brilliant on the wing. Firmino plays the central position beautifully, scoring goals and setting up his teammates. One of the most formidable front 3's in the entire world. But we seriously lack depth. If Any of those 3 go down we are in serious trouble. Investing in a rotation quality striker/winger would be a smart decision. If we can afford to rest Firmino, Salah or Mane at times, that would be a good thing,
Central Midfield: Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Gini, Milner. Fabinho has settled in nicely, justifing our excitement with his early signing this year. Keita has yet to fully show his powers but hopefully will provide that creative spark we have been seeking. Milner is getting long in the tooth but provides energy and experience. Hendereson and Gini are solid box to box players. We might need to add one creative option/midfield maestro type to add an extra element of creativity and control against bus parking teams.
Attacking Midfield: Lallana, Shaqiri, Chamberlain. A bit of an underwhelming group. Chamberlain missed the whole season due to his massive injury and there's no telling if he can ever make a full recovery. Shaqiri has shown impact at times but then gone quiet for long stretches. Lallana has had a forgettable season and we will probably move on from him. Attacking mid is the area that could use the most improvement. A true, creative #10 is still a need after the Fekir deal fell through and we lost Coutinho to Barcelona. Dybala would be the dream signing, but other very good options are out there. Unfortunately their price tags will be quite high in today's market but hopefully the transfer team can pluck another gem.
Overall transfers: We have struck gold in back, to back, to back seasons. First Mane, then Salah, then VVD, then Alisson and Fabinho. The transfer team is simply on a roll. If we can add 2 more starter quality players this upcoming season, there is no doubt in my mind Liverpool should be 'favorites' to win the league. If we simply add 2 rotation quality players who will contribute in 20-30 games per season, that would still boost our chances to compete with City immensely.
I’d say no way would Shaqiri for example be happy with the role he has in the long term. What you are suggesting is 'bring 3 or 4 more of them' - there is no way Klopp could keep them happy.What we now need is more of the same, one final summer of it in fact, signing 3 or 4 players in order to expand that 14 or 15 to 17 to 18, topped up with a couple of outfield squad players who would be used enough to justify having them here, but maybe not regularly.
Jesus just isn't very good! lol@RedForever2014 You are of course correct in what the goal should be. Where it is challenging is in the practical realities of it, and a look to City might illustrate that. They have the attacking talent on paper that many fans judge as the bench mark for what sort of depth is needed. Yet despite how good on paper Mahrez and Jesus look, once they get on the pitch they do not live up to expectation.
This season, Jesus got only 8 starts in all competitions. This is not exactly a metric expected of a player who is deemed interchangeable, but someone who is deemed to represent a significant drop off from the player replaced. This is likely cause AND effect...he is playing less because isnt as good as Aguero, but then the playing less makes it difficult for him to perform when used. That is the fundamental challenge of filling out your squad past around 16-17 players that not even bags of money and attracting the best talent on paper can solve.
Mahrez has fared better, but isnt distinguishable from Shaq in his useage. Both got about 14 starts. Mahrez scored one more goal, but did so from a more attacking role than Shaq had.
Then there's no wonder Brazil aren't very good. :tongue:Yet he has 30 caps for Brazil at 21 years of age at a time when our own Firmino is often relegated to the bench. He is a very good player, but is unarguably not living it up to at City. And that illustrates the issue.
I agree that Klopp is the more pragmatic of the two managers. That game against Roma is the perfect example.I think the lack of creativity is an Elephant in the room scenario. We create an awful lot of chances but in a different manner to City.
They like to get their wide players to the Goal line and cut it back, they do it well as they have clever players in Midfield who can play these finer balls.
Our Midfield is definitely a bit more industrious but is still capable of creating chances. Like City we create our chances mainly from a wider position but mainly from the 18yrd position, whether it be the FB crossing our the wide attackers cutting in.
I haven't read all of Mousecat’s/other’s posts but i have enjoyed our progression under Klopp. Out of the two managers he seems more adaptable in terms of style. I maybe wrong but we were the only team to reduce the points difference to City and by 20+ points. This is a city team who have been champions 4 times in recent history, with the best manager in the world?? And a squad where most players were brought for £50m plus or a value respective of that with inflation.
In a few years we, LFC, have come so far.
Right, because that is the foundational aspect of their approach. It is not of ours. In contrast, we have the licence to force the issue because we are so good at winning it back quickly, and it is in those transitions that we really look to take advantage. That requires that a different skill set is prioritized and as such different players become valuable to you.When I watch them play, and then watch us, the aspect of their game which is head and shoulders above ours is their ability to control possession, especially from a leading position.
Man City do that bit too. Don't casually dismiss that crucial fact.we have the licence to force the issue because we are so good at winning it back quickly, and it is in those transitions that we really look to take advantage. That requires that a different skill set
Yes, and now we are clear. As clear as before.Just so we are clear;
Average possession 64%
Average shots 18
Average pass accuracy 89%
Average possession 58.8%
Average shots 15.1
Average pass accuracy 84.4%
Because they cheat with the financial regulations they are supposed to adhere to, break the rules with regards to their recruitment and have spent an obscene amount of money compiling the most expensive squad with the best depth the league has ever seen. And they still only just edge us. You just prefer that style of play with playmakers in central midfield providing the sides creativity and control.Man City do that bit too. Don't casually dismiss that crucial fact.
Ultimately this is what you've got to understand. Man city's last season wasn't an outlier. they're a 100 points (or thereabouts) per season team for a reason.
This is why there's so much potential in this team. City don't really have much room for improvement. We still do. I've said this before, this Liverpool team can potentially break records. With improvements in midfield and with consistency I think we can establish ourselves as the best in the history of the premier league.So are we.
You leave this bit out on purpose?Yes, and now we are clear. As clear as before.
Which side of those stats do we need to be to be better than them?
The most crucial piece of information above, is the name of the club above the numbers
Yea, they're money boosted, it's known. But without Guardiola and that system, we're still champions.Because they cheat with the financial regulations they are supposed to adhere to, break the rules with regards to their recruitment and have spent an obscene amount of money compiling the most expensive squad with the best depth the league has ever seen. And they still only just edge us. You just prefer that style of play with playmakers in central midfield providing the sides creativity and control.
This team is already proving consistent and breaking records. Unlike City, we're not facing an immediate rebuild.This is why there's so much potential in this team. City don't really have much room for improvement. We still do. I've said this before, this Liverpool team can potentially break records. With improvements in midfield and with consistency I think we can establish ourselves as the best in the history of the premier league.
If stats make up the basis of your post, use them for the latter part too. don't just "bet on it"You leave this bit out on purpose?
"They were strong all season we noticeably improved as the season went yet, despite their financial juggernaut funded strength in depth, there's really not much in it when looking at the season as a whole. I bet if you could just look at final 3rd of the season we'd be about level."