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William Clarke

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If anyone hasn't read the fantastic article on analytics at Liverpool in another thread (think it was from the New York Times) do yourself a favor and give it a read. It was so informative. Anyhow, all that is to say I'm sure Ian Graham has a list of players, based on his PhD algorithms, who will fit the bill.

One of the nerds on staff is recommending we sign Higgs Boson. Never heard of him! Apparently he is very small.
Is he then one that collides with things? :think:

Silly me, that's his brother. It's something people are calling the 'God Particle', whatever the hell (or Heaven, not judging) that means. This sciency thing goes right over my head.
 
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Limiescouse

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If anyone hasn't read the fantastic article on analytics at Liverpool in the owner thread (think it was from the New York Times) do yourself a favor and give it a read. It was so informative. Anyhow, all that is to say I'm sure Ian Graham has a list of players, based on his PhD algorithms, who will fit the bill.

One of the nerds on staff is recommending we sign Higgs Boson. Never heard of him! Apparently he is very small.
Not a good fit. He goes missing
 

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Overall: In terms of talent we are as good as anyone in the world. That said there is still room for improvement. Let's review.

Fullbacks: Trent Alexander Arnold and Robertson both provided double digit assists in the attack and were reliable in the back half. As good a starting pair of fullbacks in the entire world. We will be losing Moreno and Clyne. But backups can be had cheaply or we can even promote from within, Hoever being an extremely bright prospect.

Centerbacks: Virgil Van Dijk is the undisputed best defender in the entire premier league and won Player of the Year. Gomez, Matip, and Lovren are the deputies. In terms of talent the deputies are sufficient, in terms of health they have all been quite injury prone at times. Of these three I'd most like to ship off Lovren and acquire a healthy CB who has the potential to develop into a starter long term.

Goal: Alisson won the Golden Glove in his debut season and has instilled an absolute confidence in his defenders. No improvements needed here. We will probably sell Mignolet and look at a new backup keeper. We recently signed Jakub Ojrzynski but at the tender age of 16 he is likely at least 3 years away from even seeing time as a backup.

Forwards: Mane and Salah shared the golden boot with 22 goals apiece. Simply brilliant on the wing. Firmino plays the central position beautifully, scoring goals and setting up his teammates. One of the most formidable front 3's in the entire world. But we seriously lack depth. If Any of those 3 go down we are in serious trouble. Investing in a rotation quality striker/winger would be a smart decision. If we can afford to rest Firmino, Salah or Mane at times, that would be a good thing,

Central Midfield: Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Gini, Milner. Fabinho has settled in nicely, justifing our excitement with his early signing this year. Keita has yet to fully show his powers but hopefully will provide that creative spark we have been seeking. Milner is getting long in the tooth but provides energy and experience. Hendereson and Gini are solid box to box players. We might need to add one creative option/midfield maestro type to add an extra element of creativity and control against bus parking teams.

Attacking Midfield: Lallana, Shaqiri, Chamberlain. A bit of an underwhelming group. Chamberlain missed the whole season due to his massive injury and there's no telling if he can ever make a full recovery. Shaqiri has shown impact at times but then gone quiet for long stretches. Lallana has had a forgettable season and we will probably move on from him. Attacking mid is the area that could use the most improvement. A true, creative #10 is still a need after the Fekir deal fell through and we lost Coutinho to Barcelona. Dybala would be the dream signing, but other very good options are out there. Unfortunately their price tags will be quite high in today's market but hopefully the transfer team can pluck another gem.

Overall transfers: We have struck gold in back, to back, to back seasons. First Mane, then Salah, then VVD, then Alisson and Fabinho. The transfer team is simply on a roll. If we can add 2 more starter quality players this upcoming season, there is no doubt in my mind Liverpool should be 'favorites' to win the league. If we simply add 2 rotation quality players who will contribute in 20-30 games per season, that would still boost our chances to compete with City immensely.
 



William Clarke

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Overall: In terms of talent we are as good as anyone in the world. That said there is still room for improvement. Let's review.

Fullbacks: Trent Alexander Arnold and Robertson both provided double digit assists in the attack and were reliable in the back half. As good a starting pair of fullbacks in the entire world. We will be losing Moreno and Clyne. But backups can be had cheaply or we can even promote from within, Hoever being an extremely bright prospect.

Centerbacks: Virgil Van Dijk is the undisputed best defender in the entire premier league and won Player of the Year. Gomez, Matip, and Lovren are the deputies. In terms of talent the deputies are sufficient, in terms of health they have all been quite injury prone at times. Of these three I'd most like to ship off Lovren and acquire a healthy CB who has the potential to develop into a starter long term.

Goal: Alisson won the Golden Glove in his debut season and has instilled an absolute confidence in his defenders. No improvements needed here. We will probably sell Mignolet and look at a new backup keeper. We recently signed Jakub Ojrzynski but at the tender age of 16 he is likely at least 3 years away from even seeing time as a backup.

Forwards: Mane and Salah shared the golden boot with 22 goals apiece. Simply brilliant on the wing. Firmino plays the central position beautifully, scoring goals and setting up his teammates. One of the most formidable front 3's in the entire world. But we seriously lack depth. If Any of those 3 go down we are in serious trouble. Investing in a rotation quality striker/winger would be a smart decision. If we can afford to rest Firmino, Salah or Mane at times, that would be a good thing,

Central Midfield: Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Gini, Milner. Fabinho has settled in nicely, justifing our excitement with his early signing this year. Keita has yet to fully show his powers but hopefully will provide that creative spark we have been seeking. Milner is getting long in the tooth but provides energy and experience. Hendereson and Gini are solid box to box players. We might need to add one creative option/midfield maestro type to add an extra element of creativity and control against bus parking teams.

Attacking Midfield: Lallana, Shaqiri, Chamberlain. A bit of an underwhelming group. Chamberlain missed the whole season due to his massive injury and there's no telling if he can ever make a full recovery. Shaqiri has shown impact at times but then gone quiet for long stretches. Lallana has had a forgettable season and we will probably move on from him. Attacking mid is the area that could use the most improvement. A true, creative #10 is still a need after the Fekir deal fell through and we lost Coutinho to Barcelona. Dybala would be the dream signing, but other very good options are out there. Unfortunately their price tags will be quite high in today's market but hopefully the transfer team can pluck another gem.

Overall transfers: We have struck gold in back, to back, to back seasons. First Mane, then Salah, then VVD, then Alisson and Fabinho. The transfer team is simply on a roll. If we can add 2 more starter quality players this upcoming season, there is no doubt in my mind Liverpool should be 'favorites' to win the league. If we simply add 2 rotation quality players who will contribute in 20-30 games per season, that would still boost our chances to compete with City immensely.
Well thought out and structured review and, I agree, that just a couple of decent, reasonably low cost buys should be enough for us to challenge again on all fronts
 

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get bale on a loan deal with franco's boys paying half his wages. they did that with james rodriguez when they sent him to bayern. absolute no brainer.
 

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get bale on a loan deal with franco's boys paying half his wages. they did that with james rodriguez when they sent him to bayern. absolute no brainer.
Bale is on a small fortune,even paying half his wages he'd still be our top earner.

Loving the profile pic
 



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With regard to the Centre Backs I am of the opinion that Lovren is far and away the weakest (always been a big fan of Matip and delighted he has been showing just how good he is) and he needs to be the first out the door. Phillips seems like he is close to first team level (or did before injury) and could be the next cab off the rank. Hoever is undoubtedly talented but I think he is more likely to follow Trent and be looked at as a back-up for the right back slot. Adapting to the attacking element of the position will stand him in good stead for the long term.
In an ideal world I would let Lovren go and use the money to look for a Left Back who can cover Centre Back too
 

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I like Lozano alot but I don't watch enough to know if he is the best option - certainly someone of his ilk would be an excellent option for rotating the front three. Imagine a front three of Shaq, Origi and Lozano just as back-ups!
 

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If anyone hasn't read the fantastic article on analytics at Liverpool in the owner thread (think it was from the New York Times) do yourself a favor and give it a read. It was so informative. Anyhow, all that is to say I'm sure Ian Graham has a list of players, based on his PhD algorithms, who will fit the bill.

One of the nerds on staff is recommending we sign Higgs Boson. Never heard of him! Apparently he is very small.
Higgs Bosun is a bit of an enigma - tends to disappear a lot.
 

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He's adapted well but he prefers playing to the right. Whether he's better well without an extended run on the right who can tell. Still our best player this last season. :)
Just out of interest but how can you be so sure he enjoys playing in the right better, is there comments to suggest this is the case?
 



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Just out of interest but how can you be so sure he enjoys playing in the right better, is there comments to suggest this is the case?
I think the "enjoying" part is key lol We need evidence. Cant just be that Arsenal goal which led to him jumping on Klopps back
 

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If anyone hasn't read the fantastic article on analytics at Liverpool in the owner thread (think it was from the New York Times) do yourself a favor and give it a read. It was so informative. Anyhow, all that is to say I'm sure Ian Graham has a list of players, based on his PhD algorithms, who will fit the bill.

One of the nerds on staff is recommending we sign Higgs Boson. Never heard of him! Apparently he is very small.
He doesn't mass much attraction.........
 



Lynch04

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He's not exactly a speed merchant. As far as stamina - it's so hard to tell, because the way Augsburg plays and the way we play is so massively different, no idea if he could cope with that tbh.
Anway, not sure how likely this is...are there any rumours or are you just asking out of interest?
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He's not exactly a speed merchant. As far as stamina - it's so hard to tell, because the way Augsburg plays and the way we play is so massively different, no idea if he could cope with that tbh.
Anway, not sure how likely this is...are there any rumours or are you just asking out of interest?
Reference the LB position, I thought they had ear marked Adam Lewis for this role. I understand he is not the fastest but is highly thought of.

In regards to pace, its a dimension that we revel in with Robertson, but you could argue Moreno is fast and offered little, whilst Milner - not renowned for his pace - was more effective.
One of the important factors our FB’s give us is the overlap, drawing a defender so Mane/Salah can cut in or utilise them. So IMO an above average speed is ideal, but stamina/game intelligence is preferred - ie when to go and when not to go.

Cologne-liverpool, are there any other players you feel we could be looking at? Does Lahm have a son coming through?
 

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Before Dortmund signed Brandt, I read an article saying that we're not interested in him despite his £21.5m release clause. This seems absurd to me, given that we lack a proven playmaker/attacker off the bench (Shaqiri is good, but definitely not a game changer) as well as the fact that the fee is small change in today's market. Where else can you get a versatile, international-calibre attacker who would potentially be willing to sit on the bench? In my opinion, he is ideal because he is good enough to make an impact when Salah/Mané/Firmino aren't playing well but probably happy to play a rotation role seeing as he hasn't yet established himself as a star. He's only 23 years old as well!

I reckon this transfer window should be considered a success if we manage to sign an attacker, to take some of the burden off the front 3 (and to try and close the gap on City in terms of attacking depth) and a creative midfielder. Brandt and Fekir would have been the ideal signings and should only cost around £70m but we really blew it in the case of the former. I'd be really interested to hear the rationale behind why we didn't move for him, given the circumstances.

On a site note, a backup keeper to replace Mignolet and some cover at left-back wouldn't go amiss either, although obviously these issues are not as pressing as those mentioned above.
 

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I personally think most of our creativity stems from the system we play (mainly the forcing of mistakes high up the pitch which we then capitalise on), and the system works because of the players we have performing in it.

For all the talk of a lack of creativity, we've had no problem scoring an amazing amount of goals for at least two seasons now. While our forwards are brilliant, we aren't solely reliant on their brilliance to score, it's the system that allows them to perform to that level.

I'd be quite surprised if this summer we tried to fix what ain't broke.
I think the lack of creativity is an Elephant in the room scenario. We create an awful lot of chances but in a different manner to City.
They like to get their wide players to the Goal line and cut it back, they do it well as they have clever players in Midfield who can play these finer balls.
Our Midfield is definitely a bit more industrious but is still capable of creating chances. Like City we create our chances mainly from a wider position but mainly from the 18yrd position, whether it be the FB crossing our the wide attackers cutting in.

I haven't read all of Mousecat’s/other’s posts but i have enjoyed our progression under Klopp. Out of the two managers he seems more adaptable in terms of style. I maybe wrong but we were the only team to reduce the points difference to City and by 20+ points. This is a city team who have been champions 4 times in recent history, with the best manager in the world?? And a squad where most players were brought for £50m plus or a value respective of that with inflation.
In a few years we, LFC, have come so far. Agree with it or not this has come from the owners downwards, but obviously one man and his team are the main reason for this. I trust in this man and as mentioned before I want him to win the CL (preferably for us), because he deserves it. I was in the Ataturk stadium, iv lived that moment and i cannot think of anyone living, who hasn't had that experience more worthwhile than Klopp.

Anyhow, i apologise as i have drunkenly gone off on an a tangent. Mods, please feel free to delete or move to a more relevant thread
 



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Sturridge is on about £120k and Lallana won't be anywhere near £180k.

Bale is on his way down and the polar opposite of the profile we recruit.
Bale is probably the most anti Klopp signing I could possibly think of.

He’s a prime candidate for the collective 3 brain hive up the M62, i.e. old, injury prone and demanding huge wages.
 

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Overall: In terms of talent we are as good as anyone in the world. That said there is still room for improvement. Let's review.

Fullbacks: Trent Alexander Arnold and Robertson both provided double digit assists in the attack and were reliable in the back half. As good a starting pair of fullbacks in the entire world. We will be losing Moreno and Clyne. But backups can be had cheaply or we can even promote from within, Hoever being an extremely bright prospect.

Centerbacks: Virgil Van Dijk is the undisputed best defender in the entire premier league and won Player of the Year. Gomez, Matip, and Lovren are the deputies. In terms of talent the deputies are sufficient, in terms of health they have all been quite injury prone at times. Of these three I'd most like to ship off Lovren and acquire a healthy CB who has the potential to develop into a starter long term.

Goal: Alisson won the Golden Glove in his debut season and has instilled an absolute confidence in his defenders. No improvements needed here. We will probably sell Mignolet and look at a new backup keeper. We recently signed Jakub Ojrzynski but at the tender age of 16 he is likely at least 3 years away from even seeing time as a backup.

Forwards: Mane and Salah shared the golden boot with 22 goals apiece. Simply brilliant on the wing. Firmino plays the central position beautifully, scoring goals and setting up his teammates. One of the most formidable front 3's in the entire world. But we seriously lack depth. If Any of those 3 go down we are in serious trouble. Investing in a rotation quality striker/winger would be a smart decision. If we can afford to rest Firmino, Salah or Mane at times, that would be a good thing,

Central Midfield: Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Gini, Milner. Fabinho has settled in nicely, justifing our excitement with his early signing this year. Keita has yet to fully show his powers but hopefully will provide that creative spark we have been seeking. Milner is getting long in the tooth but provides energy and experience. Hendereson and Gini are solid box to box players. We might need to add one creative option/midfield maestro type to add an extra element of creativity and control against bus parking teams.

Attacking Midfield: Lallana, Shaqiri, Chamberlain. A bit of an underwhelming group. Chamberlain missed the whole season due to his massive injury and there's no telling if he can ever make a full recovery. Shaqiri has shown impact at times but then gone quiet for long stretches. Lallana has had a forgettable season and we will probably move on from him. Attacking mid is the area that could use the most improvement. A true, creative #10 is still a need after the Fekir deal fell through and we lost Coutinho to Barcelona. Dybala would be the dream signing, but other very good options are out there. Unfortunately their price tags will be quite high in today's market but hopefully the transfer team can pluck another gem.

Overall transfers: We have struck gold in back, to back, to back seasons. First Mane, then Salah, then VVD, then Alisson and Fabinho. The transfer team is simply on a roll. If we can add 2 more starter quality players this upcoming season, there is no doubt in my mind Liverpool should be 'favorites' to win the league. If we simply add 2 rotation quality players who will contribute in 20-30 games per season, that would still boost our chances to compete with City immensely.
Good analysis.

The past three summers we've signed players who can start a match against any side in Europe, and released/sold/loaned those at the bottom of the squad in terms of quality.

This has improved the best 11, and has created an interchangeable squad of about 14 or 15 similar level outfield players from whom an 11 can be picked without the level of the side dropping too much.

What we now need is more of the same, one final summer of it in fact, signing 3 or 4 players in order to expand that 14 or 15 to 17 to 18, topped up with a couple of outfield squad players who would be used enough to justify having them here, but maybe not regularly.

For me it's about replacing Clyne, Sturridge, Moreno, Lallana, with younger, fitter, better alternatives, with the likes of Shaqiri, Lovren and Origi filling out the squad if not upgraded themselves.

There is little point having 25% or more of your squad as rarely used or emergency only players.

They don't justify their wages, the better players get overused, and anything more than 2 or 3 injuries in that better group of players seriously affects your CL and PL chances as well as the cup competitions.
 

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What we now need is more of the same, one final summer of it in fact, signing 3 or 4 players in order to expand that 14 or 15 to 17 to 18, topped up with a couple of outfield squad players who would be used enough to justify having them here, but maybe not regularly.
I’d say no way would Shaqiri for example be happy with the role he has in the long term. What you are suggesting is 'bring 3 or 4 more of them' - there is no way Klopp could keep them happy.

Sané, Mahrez and Jesus earn loads of money and won the league. City probably had the most games this season across Europe but the players I’ve mentioned are not happy and are even looking for a way out.

Last thing we need is unhappy players.
 

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@RedForever2014 You are of course correct in what the goal should be. Where it is challenging is in the practical realities of it, and a look to City might illustrate that. They have the attacking talent on paper that many fans judge as the bench mark for what sort of depth is needed. Yet despite how good on paper Mahrez and Jesus look, once they get on the pitch they do not live up to expectation.

This season, Jesus got only 8 starts in all competitions. This is not exactly a metric expected of a player who is deemed interchangeable, but someone who is deemed to represent a significant drop off from the player replaced. This is likely cause AND effect...he is playing less because isnt as good as Aguero, but then the playing less makes it difficult for him to perform when used. That is the fundamental challenge of filling out your squad past around 16-17 players that not even bags of money and attracting the best talent on paper can solve.

Mahrez has fared better, but isnt distinguishable from Shaq in his useage. Both got about 14 starts. Mahrez scored one more goal, but did so from a more attacking role than Shaq had.