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Chrenyan

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Not wanting to detract from an otherwise solid post, but Masterson has just been released from the club.
Thanks for the heads-up, mate. That otherwise solid post also managed to say that we need cover for Mane as a forward-right attacker...

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We don't play with a playmaker is my point. Not in 433. The creativity that people are craving/missing from CM is coming from Robertson, Alexander-Arnold (who didn't match/surpass assist records from defenders by accident), Firmino and our style of play.
Oh! I get you and your correct. It means we evolve very much on counter attack and so have problems scoring against the bus parkers.
Really shouldn't Firmino be doing more here?
 

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Last summer Fekir was supposed to come in as that playmaker but due to his injury he didn't come in. Did we buy Shaqiri as his replacement or are we still interested in bringing someone in to fill that role.
Don't see how Fekir and Shaqiri are comparable, two different players. But we simply had to buy someone for the forward line. Shaqiri played a bit from the start when we went to two pivots in midfield and Bobby dropped deeper in a role Fekir would play more often (either as a #10 or false 9). In the end, we didn't really get Fekir's replacement but simply used Bobby (he's our key player and I hope we already know by now what Klopp wants from his striker or #10, certain players will never get game time there, it's more fan's imagination) at times in a deeper role. Sturridge tried to do it a little bit (like Wolves away in the cup and a few other games/periods in games), but it didn't work. Origi covered that role behind Salah in the last period in Madrid (was funny watching Klopp going mental over Salah's non existant defensive play when we were on the ropes).
 

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We didn't need to drop 4231. It's not like we were struggling. We were getting results, keeping solid and still scoring a fair number of goals. But we were visibly more comfortable and fluid in 433 so when we reverted back we kicked on. Just my opinion but I think Klopp wanted to change us to 4231 for last season so last summer targeted two players (Fekir and Shaqiri) that would have helped that transition. It just seems, to me, that we are more natural in 433 so Klopp has gone back to it. Whether that's permanent or not only Klopp will know. But whilst in it I don't see us signing a pure attacking centre mid, playmaker type. Maybe someone who can play as a Klopp style CM but still has playmaking ability on top of that? But we have the numbers and I don't see anyone coming in unless some serious departures happen. Not just Lallana and/or Milner but someone like Wijnaldum.
It was either Klopp or Linders in an interview said we went to the 4-4-2 (4-2-3-1) basically because of Fab. Think we had some injury issues in the midfield for a bit there and Fab was still uncomfortable pressing as a single pivot. Linders/Klopp in the same interview mentioned how it was more difficult to press the way they wanted to in this formation. Long story short, I believe you are correct in saying the 433 is our preferred formation and in that formation work rate and football IQ trump creative abilities. I am with you, I think we are deep in MF and money can be spent wiser in other areas like a right footed winger, and a LB
 

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Oh! I get you and your correct. It means we evolve very much on counter attack and so have problems scoring against the bus parkers.
Really shouldn't Firmino be doing more here?
We really haven't struggled to score against any type of opposition for two seasons. We've had bad games when our overworked front 3 have simultaneously had a bad game here and there but it's a myth that you can stop us scoring by playing a certain way.
 

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We really haven't struggled to score against any type of opposition for two seasons. We've had bad games when our overworked front 3 have simultaneously had a bad game here and there but it's a myth that you can stop us scoring by playing a certain way.
Even so we do look flat against bus parkers at times. Of cause we have the potential to score against anyone but just look at the number of draws we accumulated this season. Getting that ultimate balance between Defense and Attack still appears to be a work in progress. At least I hope so.
 

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Even so we do look flat against bus parkers at times. Of cause we have the potential to score against anyone but just look at the number of draws we accumulated this season. Getting that ultimate balance between Defense and Attack still appears to be a work in progress. At least I hope so.
I don't think it's against "bus parkers" though. Sometimes our attack just looks tired and ineffective for the odd game or run of 2-4 games through being overplayed. But in two seasons now no team has been able to keep 2 clean sheets against us. And some of the teams that have kept clean sheets have been more attacking sides. It's not this kryptonite that people keep saying it is. And if it is then fine. Let that be our weakness instead of "fixing" that "problem" and probably creating another problem elsewhere. It's hardly holding us back.
 

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Even so we do look flat against bus parkers at times. Of cause we have the potential to score against anyone but just look at the number of draws we accumulated this season. Getting that ultimate balance between Defense and Attack still appears to be a work in progress. At least I hope so.
I dont think our number of draws are overly high. We were somewhat lucky to get draws against City, possibly Chelsea and West Ham, we were unlucky to come away with draws against Leicester and Everton, and it was our own fault that we drew against Utd for failure to attack enough - but that might have been down to fitness of players and overestimating their run of form. Not sure where the Arsenal game fits in amongst these.
 

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I dont think our number of draws are overly high. We were somewhat lucky to get draws against City, possibly Chelsea and West Ham, we were unlucky to come away with draws against Leicester and Everton, and it was our own fault that we drew against Utd for failure to attack enough - but that might have been down to fitness of players and overestimating their run of form. Not sure where the Arsenal game fits in amongst these.
Yep 7 draws, 3 of which seem to have been 0-0 draws, hardly much of an issue. We got to 97 points, its damn near perfect.
 

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Can't disagree more on the midfield. We play 3 and have Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Keita and Ox all now fit and settled and playing well. Add to that we also currently have Grujic, Milner, Lallana, Jones, Shaqiri and Wilson who could all argue for playing time there although its unsure who out of them will be with us next season. Think everyone who wants adding to CM is failing to see the work Klopps CM does and wanting to see a CM impacting on the final 3rd such as a David Silva, Coutinho or Aouar would. Klopp has those "playmaking" tasks performed by his full backs, Firmino and the act of winning the ball back high up the pitch when the opposition isn't set up to defend. Even if Klopp was to add a player with more attacking creativity to CM I think those calling for that player would be disappointed as he'd spend most of his time playing like our current CMs doing the boring, unglamorous work.
The club's midfield options all have a range of varying quality but not many stand out players. There's also a lack of consistency in play. While we have a few different players it's the weakest part when looking at the first eleven. Further the midfielders listed weren't all attacking ones.

The club would be more hard pressed to improve in any other position. Alisson, Robertson, van Dijk, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Fabinho, Mane, Salah, Firmino pretty much all pick themselves.

There's a few areas to improve in the squad, such as another forward, a bit more in defence but midfield remains right up there. The transfer window is an opportunity to improve the team. It should be taken.
 

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that theo hernandez is still only 21 and kind of languishing

runs like a bastard, we were supposedly interested at one point. if we're really going to target a backup for robertson, he'd interest me
 

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I am actually starting to think we need to sign two goalkeepers if Mignolet leaves, not one, because I want Kelleher and Grabara to go and get 2000 minutes of first team football for the next 2 or 3 years.

Not sure who, but bringing in 2 30+ year old GKs, especially if they are known to Allison and could act as mentors to what is still a young man could be beneficial.
 
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I am actually starting to think we need to sign two goalkeepers if Mignolet leaves, not one, because I want Kelleher and Grabara to go and get 2000 minutes of first team football for the next 2 or 3 years.

Not sure who, but bringing in 2 30+ year old GKs, especially if they are known to Allison and could act as mentors to what is still a young man could be beneficial.
Did you just say Buffon? :) Now, that would be a fairy tale, him coming on for Liverpool in CL final to play out a few remaining minutes and win that medal.
 

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that theo hernandez is still only 21 and kind of languishing

runs like a bastard, we were supposedly interested at one point. if we're really going to target a backup for robertson, he'd interest me
Available for around £25m

 

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Colchester United's two-footed full back Kane Vincent-Young for half the Andy Robertson fee would be a real bargain. No seriously.
The biggest bargain since Souey found Rob Jones by accident at Crewe and within six months he was playing for England.
And that ladies and gentlemen is how big our club has got!
 
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The club's midfield options all have a range of varying quality but not many stand out players. There's also a lack of consistency in play. While we have a few different players it's the weakest part when looking at the first eleven. Further the midfielders listed weren't all attacking ones.

The club would be more hard pressed to improve in any other position. Alisson, Robertson, van Dijk, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Fabinho, Mane, Salah, Firmino pretty much all pick themselves.

There's a few areas to improve in the squad, such as another forward, a bit more in defence but midfield remains right up there. The transfer window is an opportunity to improve the team. It should be taken.
I agree. Midfield is the only area City is better. Our absolute point total is not the goal, being ahead of them this time whatever they end up with is. We are deep and solid in MF but not spectacular, and not really sold on any of them being auto team sheet selections for the next 3-4 years other than probably Fab. That is our best chance to improve our top 11--of course it would take a special player.
 

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Our midfield is a different animal completely from City's. They aren't comparable because they don't function in the same way. Ox and Keita will be like new signings considering time on pitch last season and they provide significantly more drive going forward. Also Henderson moving forward from the DM role (don't like him there at all) to the more penetrative role (as demonstrated against Barca for example) adds a further dimension.
Our midfield process is far more direct and aggressive and we have more than enough skill, dynamism and physicality for it. No more needed!
 

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We recruited for, and started the season in, 4231. Fekir would have been perfect to challenge for starts in 3 positions in that formation. In 433 he is a "maybe" as the most attacking 8 and a back up to Firmino in the false 9 (something Mane has/can do fine). I think Fekir/similar is no longer happening unless we revert back to 4231.
The recruited for bit is debateable, but the "started the season in" isnt. All of our early games were in our more familiar shape and we didnt roll out the 2 man midfield until Southampton in the middle of September. We then immediately returned to 4-3-3 for our next run of games and tended to only revert to 4-2-3-1 for games against sides we were expected to beat.
 

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I never understood why he went! :eh?:
Partly his fault as he was set on a move to Barca that didn't happen. Then had to be loaned out as we had already bought a replacement for him in mignolet.

But either way , as a backup keeper with loads of experience and as a former red , I'd get him back home
 

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The recruited for bit is debateable, but the "started the season in" isnt. All of our early games were in our more familiar shape and we didnt roll out the 2 man midfield until Southampton in the middle of September. We then immediately returned to 4-3-3 for our next run of games and tended to only revert to 4-2-3-1 for games against sides we were expected to beat.
Don't think it's as clear as that. Klopp has been mixing up the formations even within games. A 4-2-3-1 when we want to control the game and conserve our energy and transform it to a 4-3-3. It's all about transition play now.
 

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For the point of this exercise, assuming our best 11 is Alisson, TAA, Matip, VVD, Robertson, Fabinho, Henderson, Keita, Salah, Firmino and Mané, if you then had put together an 11 from the remaining squad, what would it look like and what would be your top 4 positional priorities for improving that second 11?
 

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For the point of this exercise, assuming our best 11 is Alisson, TAA, Matip, VVD, Robertson, Fabinho, Henderson, Keita, Salah, Firmino and Mané, if you then had put together an 11 from the remaining squad, what would it look like and what would be your top 4 positional priorities for improving that second 11?
On last season's performances Keita doesn't even make our 2nd 11. Milner or Wijnaldum should be in there. :)
2nd 11 Mignolet, ?, Gomez, Lovren, ?, Henderson, AOC? Wijnaldum, Origi, Mané, Shaquiri. ???