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If we had a youngster in that position even at Hoever's age and level (young but highly promising), I'd say we should absolutely go ahead on that basis. In fact, that would almost be my preferred scenario to signing a more experienced backup for the role.

But by all accounts, from those that regularly watch the kids play, Adam Lewis is nowhere near good enough and not looking likely to become so.

At the very least I'm hoping we bring in someone like Sepp Van Der Berg but for the LB spot, someone with potential who bridges the gap between the academy and first team, as it seems like a noticeable gap we have even in the U23s.
I guess Larouci might be the one closest to making it but i dont think he plays u23 yet. If we are looking for a back up, i dont think we need to rush a signing as their impact can be made in the latter part of the season.
 

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Again only going off what others are saying, but isn't he someone being played out of position, again to cover that weakness in the side? And although a bit better than Lewis is also one who doesn't look anywhere near first-team ready?
Yes, and No. He is a winger being converted to wingback - like most full backs under Klopp
 

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(I don't really buy the argument that nobody wants to come to understudy Robbo)
Why not?

He is possibly the best left back in the world on current form, he is naturally fit with bags of stamina, and he is going to be starting the vast majority of games.

Any half decent left back is going to look at the situation and rightly wonder where he gets his game. I don’t think ‘every now and then Robbo will need a break’ is a compelling offer to a good player.

We saw this with Lloyd Kelly. He preferred Bournemouth, because they could offer him more games. Alby Moreno preferred to leave.

Ideally we need to find someone who can cover a couple of positions. A winger who can step in if necessary. Or someone who can cover both sides. They don’t grow on trees.

From the other point of view, if we do bring someone in the promise of sharing the position with Robbo, how does that affect Robbo? He’s worked hard, had the season of his life, got 97 points and won the European Cup. Bringing in another left back at his level could go down really badly with him, and in the dressing room more broadly.
 

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Again only going off what others are saying, but isn't he someone being played out of position, again to cover that weakness in the side? And although a bit better than Lewis is also one who doesn't look anywhere near first-team ready?
Trent was played out of position too.
 

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Why not?

He is possibly the best left back in the world on current form, he is naturally fit with bags of stamina, and he is going to be starting the vast majority of games.

Any half decent left back is going to look at the situation and rightly wonder where he gets his game. I don’t think ‘every now and then Robbo will need a break’ is a compelling offer to a good player.

We saw this with Lloyd Kelly. He preferred Bournemouth, because they could offer him more games. Alby Moreno preferred to leave.

Ideally we need to find someone who can cover a couple of positions. A winger who can step in if necessary. Or someone who can cover both sides. They don’t grow on trees.
Because good teams somehow manage to sign players. Albie barely played because he's shite, there's certainly scope in a 60+ game season for a halfway decent LB to get 20+ starts, and that's assuming he can't also play other positions, which ideally a new signing would. That's not even mentioning being able to dangle the prospect of being part of a trophy-winning team playing for a manager like Klopp.

I can buy the argument that backup goalies are hard to shop for because it's such a specialised position, but it doesn't wash elsewhere, for me.
 

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I can't see us signing a specialist left back for the reasons @Mascot88 mentions. Any signing will need to be versatile enough to either play on both flanks and/or play as a winger. Someone like Sessegnon.

As for Larouci he can also play RB but he was very impressive at LB in the game I saw. Also physically well developed. He's very quick and strong.
 

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But primarily right-sided, isn't he? Going off where transfermarkt lists him as playing, here.
I had assumed he was playing the same flank, i will double check that but i thought this interesting

Larouci was a revelation in his new position and was one of the star performers as Liverpool won a fourth FA Youth Cup in 2019, after defeating Manchester City on penalties in the final.
Echo and other articles i've seen say he was a winger well suited to playing both flanks - i dont know if that means he is two footed.
 

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Sure, but if we were to be signing Larouci you might be saying he fits the bill. Just a bit older than Van Der Berg, versatile, great physical attributes, looks promising.
But he's been playing U18s right? It's a huge step up from there. VDB at least has first-team experience.

The club has known for some time they'd be facing this situation with Moreno gone, I kinda feel like if Larouci had been singled out for that role he'd have been fast-tracked a bit by now.
 

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But he's been playing U18s right? It's a huge step up from there. VDB at least has first-team experience.

The club has known for some time they'd be facing this situation with Moreno gone, I kinda feel like if Larouci had been singled out for that role he'd have been fast-tracked a bit by now.
He sounds like he is well developed physically, so not having played first team or u23 may not be that big of an issue We're not looking at him coming in at day one. If he is involved with the first team this summer, we may see him pushed up the queue.
 

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If Klopp has seen something in Larouci and his Plan A is to develop him to be Robbo's backup, then I'm fine with that. I haven't seen him so I'll have to defer to other's judgement on that. It still feels like that's a year too soon based on his level of experience, though.
 

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But he's been playing U18s right? It's a huge step up from there. VDB at least has first-team experience.

The club has known for some time they'd be facing this situation with Moreno gone, I kinda feel like if Larouci had been singled out for that role he'd have been fast-tracked a bit by now.
Sure, but his conversion to LB only happened at the beginning of the season (perhaps with a view towards succession planning for Moreno's departure?) and I think that Adam Lewis may be too old for U18s so if Larouci plays for the U23s, Lewis may not get a game and the chance to continue his development.
 

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Larouci may have played rw before but he's all left foot and has looked an absolute natural at lb especially in our system. Bags of energy, physically he's a beast, loads of pace and has played u23 no problems despite his young age.
Defensively at first team level is obviously a different kettle of fish though and that's really where what the coaches see on the training pitch will probably decide if he could be our deputy lb this season.
I have a feeling the early friendlies next week may see him play one half and Lewis the other and both going to the states too.
 

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Spurs last year?
They dropped from 3rd in 17/18 to 4th last season. Apparently. I'm still not entirely convinced they didn't finish 3rd.

Six fewer points gained (77 down to 71).

I think bearing in mind how late on people were still calling it a three-horse race for the title (March?), it isn't outrageous to suggest that if they had signed to strengthen they would have had a better season than the one they ended up having. They just ran out of gas.
 

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They dropped from 3rd in 17/18 to 4th last season. Apparently. I'm still not entirely convinced they didn't finish 3rd.
Sure, but 3rd to 4th in the PL, Semi-Final FA Cup to 4th round, 4th round League Cup to Semi-finals, Last 16 of the Champions League to Runners-Up...

I'd argue 18/19 was better but it was at least a similar season, no?
 

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Sure, but 3rd to 4th in the PL, Semi-Final FA Cup to 4th round, 4th round League Cup to Semi-finals, Last 16 of the Champions League to Runners-Up...

I'd argue 18/19 was better but it was at least a similar season, no?
As I edited my post to say, it's not that it was a bad season but it could have been a much better one had they twisted instead of stuck last summer.
 

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As I edited my post to say, it's not that it was a bad season but it could have been a much better one had they twisted instead of stuck last summer.
I agree with that - my preference would obviously be that we strengthen the first XI. But I do think Spurs had broadly comparable seasons despite not signing anyone. Them dropping off late in the season is kind of their thing, even when they do sign players. I think you referenced the 15/16 season, for example.
 

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Sure, but his conversion to LB only happened at the beginning of the season (perhaps with a view towards succession planning for Moreno's departure?) and I think that Adam Lewis may be too old for U18s so if Larouci plays for the U23s, Lewis may not get a game and the chance to continue his development.
But IF the plan was for Laroucci to be Moreno's replacement, getting him ready would have taken priority over the continuing development of a player who almost certainly isn't going to make it at this level.
 

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But IF the plan was for Laroucci to be Moreno's replacement, getting him ready would have taken priority over the continuing development of a player who almost certainly isn't going to make it at this level.
My thinking as well. It's only rumours, but from respected people like Reddy etc, but it does sound like Lewis is the one being prepared for the backup LB spot this season, which is a worry given he's not exactly had hugely glowing reports from those that regularly watch the youth sides.

I trust Klopp's judgement... I just am concerned on this issue over what is being suggested.
 

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But IF the plan was for Laroucci to be Moreno's replacement, getting him ready would have taken priority over the continuing development of a player who almost certainly isn't going to make it at this level.
But they weren't going to be able to make that call from the beginning of the season though. Larouci would need time to learn the role and develop into it given he'd never played LB before and it would only be then that they could possibly have a view as to which prospect had the greater chance of breaking through as a LB at senior level, surely? It does seem that his development continued apace and, by the end of the season, the academy coaches were giving him high praise (at which point he did then play a couple of games for the U23s).

I don't think any club would simply throw him in the U23s from the start (at the exclusion of Lewis) just on the off-chance it might pay off.