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The left back situation is a bit of a conundrum. If we sign someone who is pretty good - and they would have to be or we shouldn’t bother, they might fear stifling their career sitting on the bench and only appearing here and there.

So one of two options needs to happen, to my mind. We either sign a versatile player, or stick with what we’ve got.

Versatile player
Could work a few ways. Could be versatile up and down the flank, offering an option as a winger too. Possibly Sessegnon. Possibly Firpo. Could be versatile and able to cover both full back spots, someone like Tierney. Could be versatile and able to cover left back and central defence, like Nathan Ake. I could see the sense in signing any of those players, and their versatility would see them get games. However, probably not enough games, so they would consider all their options.

Stick with what we’ve got
This may be what we end up doing. Robbo has got the bulk of it covered (assuming no bad injury comes along). But when he needs a rest, and he will, what will we do? As pointed out above, we haven’t sold Clyne yet, so maybe we will keep him. Or maybe Milner will be an occasional left back option? He played a whole season there and did well, then when Robbo emerged he said (I’m sure professionally) that he didn’t want to do that again! But now he is one year nearer to the end of his time playing, and needs must, and its another way for him to get into the team and get some games, so maybe he will be OK with that? And finally Larouci. Looks like he might have a good future.

Conclusion
I’m chilled even if we don’t sign anyone. I think between Milner and Larouci (assuming he’s ahead of Lewis) we’ve got it covered. Milner to play 5-6 times at left back, Larouci to play 1-3, Robbo to get his rest, and then the following season Milner moves on and Larouci comes into the picture after being blooded this season.
 

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I’m endlessly fascinated by this tendency to assume everyone else is going to improve and we won’t.

The most important thing for us, regardless of signings, is that this is a squad growing and maturing together. We will be better next year - there is another 10% for us next year just by the squad being a year more experienced and familiar with each other.
At the start of last season, I predicted that Tottenham would be very strong during the coming season, due to the simple fact that everyone would stay and grow together as a team. Until January, I was proven right, as they were flying in the league and in Europe. But then, a few injuries started to take their toll. The second half of the season was quite horrible for them, their CL run notwithstanding. They ended the league season with six points less than the previous one.

Like yourself, I believe that we aren't at our peak yet, in terms of team togetherness, but a few key injuries could change that picture very quickly. As @Billy Biskix wrote somewhere else, maybe what happened to Tottenham could be a lesson for us to learn from?

On the other hand, Klopp knows where Brewster stands in terms of development, and where Ox stands in term of fitness (we know his quality already). Both these players, if they can make a difference, will be like a couple of new quality signings for us.
 

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At the start of last season, I predicted that Tottenham would be very strong during the coming season, due to the simple fact that everyone would stay and grow together as a team. Until January, I was proven right, as they were flying in the league and in Europe. But then, a few injuries started to take their toll. The second half of the season was quite horrible for them, their CL run notwithstanding. They ended the league season with six points less than the previous one.

Like yourself, I believe that we aren't at our peak yet, in terms of team togetherness, but a few key injuries could change that picture very quickly. As @Billy Biskix wrote somewhere else, maybe what happened to Tottenham could be a lesson for us to learn from?

On the other hand, Klopp knows where Brewster stands in terms of development, and where Ox stands in term of fitness (we know his quality already). Both these players, if they can make a difference, will be like a couple of new quality signings for us.
A well reasoned post @Hope in your heart and I fully agree with your comments. We have to take stock of what happened to the Spuds and realise that as we grow as a team it only takes a couple of injuries to key players to put us on the back foot. Injuries aside, we are strong enough to compete again next year.
 

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Lloyd Kelly is listed as 1.9m (6'3") by transfermarkt?

If he's 5'10" that's a very similar build to Ake who played LB in 33 of his first 44 senior club appearances.
I was going to mention his similarity to Ake.
 

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I'd say Gomez's build, 6'2, is also more conducive to a future, at the top level, at CB than Kelly's (5'10). I doubt our interest in VDB was plucked from the air after Kelly fell through, it went through too quickly for that, so why would we be recruiting two CB prospects in the same window?
I think we've let several young CBs go this window (or is Masterson the only one?), so signing multiple players, particularly if they can cover more than one position looks reasonable - we also brought in that french lad in January.
 

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I was going to mention his similarity to Ake.
I actually thought that the main reason he's been assured of getting minutes next season is because Bournemouth were/are considering off-loading Ake. Since Kelly signed there have been reliable papers linking Ake with a move to City for £40m, I think.
 

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At the start of last season, I predicted that Tottenham would be very strong during the coming season, due to the simple fact that everyone would stay and grow together as a team. Until January, I was proven right, as they were flying in the league and in Europe. But then, a few injuries started to take their toll. The second half of the season was quite horrible for them, their CL run notwithstanding. They ended the league season with six points less than the previous one.

Like yourself, I believe that we aren't at our peak yet, in terms of team togetherness, but a few key injuries could change that picture very quickly. As @Billy Biskix wrote somewhere else, maybe what happened to Tottenham could be a lesson for us to learn from?

On the other hand, Klopp knows where Brewster stands in terms of development, and where Ox stands in term of fitness (we know his quality already). Both these players, if they can make a difference, will be like a couple of new quality signings for us.
Wasnt Spur's squad weaker than ours to start off with though?
 

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Wasnt Spur's squad weaker than ours to start off with though?
Maybe. But my point was that the season before last, they ended on 77 points. I expected them to become even stronger, as they were able to keep all their key players together. In the end, they ended with six points less, at 71 points.

Anyway, I'm drifing away from topic a bit. Whom would I want us to buy?


 

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I actually thought that the main reason he's been assured of getting minutes next season is because Bournemouth were/are considering off-loading Ake. Since Kelly signed there have been reliable papers linking Ake with a move to City for £40m, I think.
Is Ake Association Trained?
 

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It maybe too late with Oil Rig Citeh sniffing around with their jingling moneybags.
Probably, would be a slight shame but at the same time there's no indication we're interested. He's not the sort of player I'll lose sleep over missing out on, but given the positions he plays, our needs and his availability (also the fact he's pretty good) mean I think he would have been a good option.
 

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Probably, would be a slight shame but at the same time there's no indication we're interested. He's not the sort of player I'll lose sleep over missing out on, but given the positions he plays, our needs and his availability (also the fact he's pretty good) mean I think he would have been a good option.
He's a decent footballer who could do a job for us. As you say, there's been no indication that Jürgen's interested in him.
 

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As I have made clear I don't think about whether Keita is talented or not, that for now is Klopp's job as far as I'm concerned.
All I'm saying is that from what I have seen of him he is below Lallana in the pecking order. this is because from the small sample size i have seen of him this last season he got nowhere near fitting the bill for our midfield. He's passing was well below par, he got tackled too easily (couldn't hold the ball up), we couldn't get any idea of his vision because his passing was so poor and defensively he didn't make an impact but one must think from what we saw it's not good enough.
Even if he has talent he's yet to show it and needs to work hard to be taken as a serious contender for the 1st team. That's before considering his injury record which is poor this season and hasn't helped him integrate the 1st team.
As I keep saying I hope he becomes good. It's great to think that because we bought him he must be good and talented however from what we have seen he does nothing to improve on what we already had and what we had has been criticised quite a lot in the past so I haven't a clue why Keita's impact so far can not be criticised.
If you think Keita had a good season for us then I think it's you who has a problem not me Germanred or anyone else who are criticising what they saw from him last season.
Stopped reading at lallana, who will probably be gone in a year.

I can't be bothered with this. Either he will get healthy and be very good, or he won't and Liverpool will be worse for it.
 

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Stopped reading at lallana, who will probably be gone in a year.

I can't be bothered with this. Either he will get healthy and be very good, or he won't and Liverpool will be worse for it.
Stop claiming that people have said things they haven't said then!
 

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Either there's a need, which the club seems to agree on hence interest in Kelly, or there isn't, in which case why try for him?
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think the recruitment - anywhere on the pitch - works like that.

If a player we like is available, we’ll go for him. I don’t think it’s a case of ‘we need a left back - let’s work our way down the list’.
 

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Maybe. But my point was that the season before last, they ended on 77 points. I expected them to become even stronger, as they were able to keep all their key players together. In the end, they ended with six points less, at 71 points.
If they essentially traded six league points for a Champions League final, I think it’s understandable.

It’s similar to us the year before. We finished fourth, but got to the CL final - but no way were we the fourth best team in the league.
 

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I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think the recruitment - anywhere on the pitch - works like that.

If a player we like is available, we’ll go for him. I don’t think it’s a case of ‘we need a left back - let’s work our way down the list’.
So we went in for Kelly not because he plays in a position we need to fill, but because we wanted him specifically... and then, as Reddy has said, dropped out of the race once the price rose to £13m?

I don't really get that, doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Firstly he doesn't strike me as the sort of player you make that kind of exception for ("hey, we don't need him but he's available so it's too good to pass up"), but if you accept that in fact he is that kind of player, then why drop out claiming it's too much when it's such a low fee?
 

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Obvious choice is cover at left back now that Moreno has gone. But I think to really push us on and turn the draws into wins is a goal scoring midfielder who can chip in with 10+ goals a season. Not quite sure who could do that, but we turn a couple of draws into wins last year and we would have won it. Hopefully we get a someone in as I think it would be a mistake to not bring anyone in. Even the old Paisley and Fagan teams brought players in after we won leagues. Keeps players on their toes with the extra competition. We nearly have a complete squad so just that final little push required.
 

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Stop claiming that people have said things they haven't said then!
Dunno what you are talking about. You clearly said Lallana was favored to keita which at that point I'm just deeming it not worth my time.
 

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Dunno what you are talking about. You clearly said Lallana was favored to keita which at that point I'm just deeming it not worth my time.
I thought you couldn't be bothered with this?

Once again you take everything out of context to suit your agenda.
You mention me in your posts yet can not be bothered to read my replies. That's ignorant!
 

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I thought you couldn't be bothered with this?

Once again you take everything out of context to suit your agenda.
You mention me in your posts yet can not be bothered to read my replies. That's ignorant!
I can't. I was just trying to figure what you're on about. I still don't know, not sure even you do. But I'm done trying to figure it out. I'll leave you to it.
 

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So we went in for Kelly not because he plays in a position we need to fill, but because we wanted him specifically... and then, as Reddy has said, dropped out of the race once the price rose to £13m?

I don't really get that, doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Firstly he doesn't strike me as the sort of player you make that kind of exception for ("hey, we don't need him but he's available so it's too good to pass up"), but if you accept that in fact he is that kind of player, then why drop out claiming it's too much when it's such a low fee?
I don’t think we dropped out over £13m. I think it became clear he wanted playing time, and turned us down.

I can’t see us getting beaten by Bournemouth over £13m for a player we really wanted. The story I heard was that Bournemouth could offer Kelly a route into the first team and we couldn’t.
 

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Dunno what you are talking about. You clearly said Lallana was favored to keita which at that point I'm just deeming it not worth my time.
I can't. I was just trying to figure what you're on about. I still don't know, not sure even you do. But I'm done trying to figure it out. I'll leave you to it.
I’ve had enough of this kind of thing. You’ve been warned time and time again.

Two days off.
 

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I don’t think we dropped out over £13m. I think it became clear he wanted playing time, and turned us down.

I can’t see us getting beaten by Bournemouth over £13m for a player we really wanted. The story I heard was that Bournemouth could offer Kelly a route into the first team and we couldn’t.
Reddy, who seems to have become close to being an official mouthpiece for the club, made it clear the other day that we dropped out over the price. I remember, because it surprised me. I forget which thread it was in, she posted a big thing on Reddit or somewhere defending her coverage of the transfer window as a whole, and that was part of it.

He might well have chosen them anyway over playing time, but what is basically the official report at this time says we didn't give him a choice to make.

It was this thread:


You replied to it by the way lol:

Being flush with cash and refusing to pay £13m for Lloyd Kelly are not contradictory.

If we didn’t view him as being worth £13m, we were never gonna pay it.
To save clicking on the link, this is what she had to say about the LB spot:

"Lloyd Kelly was under consideration with those at the club thinking he had the ideal profile at Bristol City to join Anfield as a back-up to the influential Robertson.
However, Bournemouth's decision to offer £13million was enough for the Reds to end their interest. Klopp sees Joe Gomez and James Milner - who played in the unfamiliar position for the entirety of the 2016/17 - as dependable deputies for undisputed first-choice Robertson.
The club know finding a player who is capable of operating at a higher level than Gomez or Milner at left-back, but is happy to sit on the bench behind Robertson every week is difficult to unearth.
Liverpool also have promising youngster Adam Lewis on their books and Klopp is keen to offer young talent a chance in the first team if he feels their progress deserves it.
Therefore, as it stands, there are no plans to add additional cover to the left-back position at Anfield for next season. Klopp is prepared to be patient and wait to see if a presentable opportunity opens up to sign a new left-sided full-back. "

And it's this that concerns me. Going back to what I said first of all yesterday, for the odd game fine but it's a huge gamble on Robbo's fitness and I don't want to see 34yo Milner chugging up and down the left flank for long periods of time... having our second-choice CB acting as first backup to both full-back positions is also less than ideal, especially given his fitness record and that although he did ok there at the time he only to my knowledge played about half a dozen games at LB, four years ago.
 
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Anderson Arroyo in the pre-season squad today. Young full back who can play both sides anyone?

Not sure if he is eligible for a permit this season or not but worth mentioning perhaps.
 

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Anderson Arroyo in the pre-season squad today. Young full back who can play both sides anyone?

Not sure if he is eligible for a permit this season or not but worth mentioning perhaps.
From what people have said about him I think he's way off.
 

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I wonder if Hoever is going to get minutes at leftback. It’s the obvious route into the 1st team squad for him. Out of all the young defenders I’ve seen he seems the most ready to play
 

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Reddy, who seems to have become close to being an official mouthpiece for the club, made it clear the other day that we dropped out over the price. I remember, because it surprised me. I forget which thread it was in, she posted a big thing on Reddit or somewhere defending her coverage of the transfer window as a whole, and that was part of it.

He might well have chosen them anyway over playing time, but what is basically the official report at this time says we didn't give him a choice to make.
I can’t remember where I saw it - it was one of the journalists shortly afterwards.

On Reddy’s thing, I’m not sure I buy it. If Lloyd Kelly is someone we think is an absolute gem, I don’t think we get beaten by Bournemouth, and I don’t think Kelly himself is making that choice. The only thing they have is that they are able to get him his game much easier than us.