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I don't think Larouci looks ready either, but he's closer than Lewis. Lewis is really, really good distributing/striking the ball but he's so slight I can't see him making it unless he has a growth spurt.

Milner is really good cover for both fullback positions. With the numbers and quality we have in those two '8' positions (Wij, Henderson, Ox, Keita, Lallana, Jones) there should be plenty of scope to allow Milner to cover for Robbo and Trent.
And if the issues go further than that Klopp will just stick Gomez there.

Needs must.
 

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Have you guys totally forgotten about Clyne?!

Wouldn't surprise me if he stays and he would be able to cover both sides very well.
 

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Clyne at left back is more of an emergency option. Might get away with it against lower table opposition, but against quality it wouldn't work. Our only weakness is depth and we clearly need fb cover, someone to take the pressure off the front three and possibly attacking mf depending on Ox's progress.
 

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We’re in the midst of finding out about Larouci and Lewis. If there’s a gap between their readiness and our need, it can be filled in a couple of ways with people already at the club I.e. Milner, Clyne. And that’s before we consider Gomez or Hoever as a left back emergency option.

I would guess we are looking to cover 10 games, max, across all competitions for our back up left back. We’ll be fine if Klopp decides not to buy.

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I think we should, but I’m chilled.
 

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We’re in the midst of finding out about Larouci and Lewis. If there’s a gap between their readiness and our need, it can be filled in a couple of ways with people already at the club I.e. Milner, Clyne. And that’s before we consider Gomez or Hoever as a left back emergency option.

I would guess we are looking to cover 10 games, max, across all competitions for our back up left back. We’ll be fine if Klopp decides not to buy.

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I think we should, but I’m chilled.
Ten games minimum. We could play up to 68 games or something like that if we go to all finals. My guess is between 60 and 65. It would be downright negligent and bad for his future prospects health wise if we are expecting Robertson to be making 50+ starts every season. Eventually it'll end up hobbling him later on in his career even if it goes ok for a few seasons to start with. I'd prefer to have Robertson for a long time and spread his playing time out than cram it all in to a few short seasons.
 

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Ten games minimum. We could play up to 68 games or something like that if we go to all finals. My guess is between 60 and 65. It would be downright negligent and bad for his future prospects health wise if we are expecting Robertson to be making 50+ starts every season. Eventually it'll end up hobbling him later on in his career even if it goes ok for a few seasons to start with. I'd prefer to have Robertson for a long time and spread his playing time out than cram it all in to a few short seasons.
I'd be very surprised if we flogged Robbo to death, and very much agree he needs a back up.

As things stand (if we don't buy anyone) I think Milner will be his back up, for about 7-8 games, and Larouci for perhaps 2-3. If Larouci proves to not be up to the job then with Milner getting older I'm sure we will buy another left back. In the meantime, looking at just next season, we have an old and dependable back up and a fresh and as yet unproven potential back up. And that's without considering other options at the club like Clyne, or possibly shifting Gomez there in a pinch (I don't want to see that) or maybe Hoever in a pinch too.

I do think we need to buy someone, but there are some back up options at the club already we can turn to while Larouci matures and we find out if he's got what it takes.
 

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Our full backs are SO important to the way we play, it cannot be understated. Right back is OK because we have many right-footed options to play in place of TAA (although none of them have the same offensive threat), but no one at the club can do what Robbo does going forward. We have no other left-footed defenders who can cross. We've seen Milner play there and it became glaringly obvious he did not fancy crossing with his left - he would always pass it in field to a midfielder or back to the LCB. Clyne is decent, but his crossing is no where near as good as TAA's. Without that threat, we become very predictable and one-dimensional. Both are solid defensively, but I'm not convinced we need solid defenders given our CB and CDM/CM covering/defensive qualities. We need a natural left-back or wing-back.
 

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We've seen Milner play there and it became glaringly obvious he did not fancy crossing with his left
We have been over Milner and his left foot sooo many times it's almost boring now.
No way can I go along with this statement above.
It is a problem for Milner to get into those crossing positions on the left due to his lack of speed hence having to use guile by using payers inside and hoping for a dope to miss his movement. However he has shown when given the opportunity he can cross with his left or right foot from the left.
So no he is not like Robbo on the left but he is capable of doing a good but different job.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for other options just that it's not as pressing as to panic, yet.
There have been times when the majority of Milners assists have been made with his left foot so not fancying crossing with his left foot is nonsense. As the player inside him is Mané, Keita or Wijnaldum I really don't see what the problem is with him passing the ball that way is as Robbo himself often does it as well.
 

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We have been over Milner and his left foot sooo many times it's almost boring now.
No way can I go along with this statement above.
It is a problem for Milner to get into those crossing positions on the left due to his lack of speed hence having to use guile by using payers inside and hoping for a dope to miss his movement. However he has shown when given the opportunity he can cross with his left or right foot from the left.
So no he is not like Robbo on the left but he is capable of doing a good but different job.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for other options just that it's not as pressing as to panic, yet.
There have been times when the majority of Milners assists have been made with his left foot so not fancying crossing with his left foot is nonsense. As the player inside him is Mané, Keita or Wijnaldum I really don't see what the problem is with him passing the ball that way is as Robbo himself often does it as well.
I just watched a highlights reel of Milner and a couple assists were with his left foot - not a majority. A little pedantic, but it wasn't my point anyway. I never said he cannot cross with his left. I said he doesn't fancy doing it - whether due to his lack of ability, opportunity, willingness to try (due to perceived or a real lack of pace/ability/confidence) or combination of the 3, it arrives at a similar issue - being the difference in play style and reduced threat on the left when he's there. I don't want any player who can't get into similar positions for any reason (whether it's lack of left-footed crosses, pace or willingness) deputising for Robbo. As you say, Milner does a different job, but our full-backs are such weapons/threats I believe we need a player with a similar skill set who can do the same job (not to be confused with doing as good a job as Robbo).

Part of what makes City such a deadly team is their style does not change when a player or two is/are out because the players replacing them are of similar skill set and ability. They are incredibly consistent. That's the consistency we need if we want to build a league winning dynasty.
 

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When assessing a squad, I look at the best 11, the number of senior outfield players in total, how many are genuinely rotatable, how many are usable.

Over the past few seasons the best 11 has clearly improved, though it's not entirely issue free. For me midfield lacks the lock picker.

It's notable that the senior outfield squad has reduced in size in recent seasons. In the autumn of 2017 we had 22 senior outfield players, which is currently 19. If Lovren and Clyne leave, that becomes 17 if we don't sign anyone.

How many are genuinely rotatable without the side being compromised? The clear issue there is full back and up top.

For me the two emergency only players in last season's squad were Moreno and Sturridge, so their release was a good thing.

The main issue from my perspective, particularly in respect of having no left footed alternative to Robertson, is the tempting of fate.

It's funny how things happen in life, and in football. The moment Clyne was loaned out, TAA got injured.

For me, running with 17, 18 or even 19 senior outfield players and zero similar type cover in certain areas is tempting fate.

If everyone remains fit, then the young lads can fill out the team sheet over a season in an organised way.

But 3 or 4 senior injuries and we're massively compromised.

I'm all for effectively throwing the domestic cups by fielding a side of younger players to blood them. But there's a big difference between that and having a 'development season' across all competitions because your senior squad wasn't deep enough, you got injuries, and ended up blooding kids in the PL and CL.
 

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When assessing a squad, I look at the best 11, the number of senior outfield players in total, how many are genuinely rotatable, how many are usable.

Over the past few seasons the best 11 has clearly improved, though it's not entirely issue free. For me midfield lacks the lock picker.

It's notable that the senior outfield squad has reduced in size in recent seasons. In the autumn of 2017 we had 22 senior outfield players, which is currently 19. If Lovren and Clyne leave, that becomes 17 if we don't sign anyone.

How many are genuinely rotatable without the side being compromised? The clear issue there is full back and up top.

For me the two emergency only players in last season's squad were Moreno and Sturridge, so their release was a good thing.

The main issue from my perspective, particularly in respect of having no left footed alternative to Robertson, is the tempting of fate.

It's funny how things happen in life, and in football. The moment Clyne was loaned out, TAA got injured.

For me, running with 17, 18 or even 19 senior outfield players and zero similar type cover in certain areas is tempting fate.

If everyone remains fit, then the young lads can fill out the team sheet over a season in an organised way.

But 3 or 4 senior injuries and we're massively compromised.

I'm all for effectively throwing the domestic cups by fielding a side of younger players to blood them. But there's a big difference between that and having a 'development season' across all competitions because your senior squad wasn't deep enough, you got injuries, and ended up blooding kids in the PL and CL.
If may summarise what I think is the general consensus here?

We have a fantastic squad and good depth, as evidenced by putting a 97 point season and winning the European Cup.

If there is business to be done, we could do with some cover for Robertson, and another versatile front three option.

However, at the level we are at, finding the right players is difficult. A player who isn’t much of a drop off from Robertson is a tough one. Finding one who accepts he is second choice is nigh on impossible.

So we have a choice. Find someone who isn’t ideal, is happy to sit on the bench, or is a big step down from Robbo, or stick with what we have. I think that most of us, given that choice, would stick. There are players in the squad who can do a job for us, and while it would be preferable to get a specialist, we are long past the days of just bringing in anyone to fill a paper need.

At this point we probably just need to wait and see. Klopp has indicated that the club are trying to get the right players in, but they won’t be just signing someone for the sake of it. If we end the window having not made a major signing its a shame, but it isn’t the end of the world.
 

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Good summary Mascot88. And as for the lb position we are looking at what is coming through at the club, and Larouci may turn out to be that fast wing back type who can be understudy to Robbo.

If neither he more Lewis makes the grade, I’m sure we will go to market. I’m glad we are giving the lads here a chance to stake a claim. Neither Milner or Clyne are long term options in the position, but they give us some immediate back up there while we are seeing what the youngsters are made of.
 

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Klopp spent £400 on players since he came in.

My prediction is that he won't spend more than £200m until the end of his current contract.
 

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Potentially not having any of our front three up to speed before the season starts is a little concerning. Sell Harry Wilson and Ryan Kent and get either Kai Havertz or Hakim Ziyech. I'm not too worried about the LB position, we have James Milner in the event Robertson gets injured.
 

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I just watched a highlights reel of Milner and a couple assists were with his left foot - not a majority. A little pedantic, but it wasn't my point anyway. I never said he cannot cross with his left. I said he doesn't fancy doing it - whether due to his lack of ability, opportunity, willingness to try (due to perceived or a real lack of pace/ability/confidence) or combination of the 3, it arrives at a similar issue - being the difference in play style and reduced threat on the left when he's there.
The stats suggest otherwise, as when he played there regularly he was very heavily involved in our goals. I think the stat was the single season record for CL assists. So, who cares if he tends not to use his left foot if still gets his crosses in and creates goals anyway?

Part of what makes City such a deadly team is their style does not change when a player or two is/are out because the players replacing them are of similar skill set and ability. They are incredibly consistent. That's the consistency we need if we want to build a league winning dynasty.
Alternatively, part of what makes City vulnerable against top sides is their lack of variation in the way they play.
 

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I just watched a highlights reel of Milner and a couple assists were with his left foot - not a majority. A little pedantic, but it wasn't my point anyway. I never said he cannot cross with his left. I said he doesn't fancy doing it - whether due to his lack of ability, opportunity, willingness to try (due to perceived or a real lack of pace/ability/confidence) or combination of the 3, it arrives at a similar issue - being the difference in play style and reduced threat on the left when he's there. I don't want any player who can't get into similar positions for any reason (whether it's lack of left-footed crosses, pace or willingness) deputising for Robbo. As you say, Milner does a different job, but our full-backs are such weapons/threats I believe we need a player with a similar skill set who can do the same job (not to be confused with doing as good a job as Robbo).

Part of what makes City such a deadly team is their style does not change when a player or two is/are out because the players replacing them are of similar skill set and ability. They are incredibly consistent. That's the consistency we need if we want to build a league winning dynasty.
I was just pointing out what I consider a false arguement.
I agree we should be looking for a LB however we have a very capable deputy in Milner which just means we can take our time to insure we get someone in who's worth it. No point bringing in a lad with similar skill set to Robbo if he's less capable than Milner.
 

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He also earned us about £300m in sales and loan fees.
According to Transfermarkt, his net spend at Liverpool is roughly 93 million euros (counting Camacho, who's not on their list at the moment) in transfer fees. Of course, wages, bonuses, signing-on fees are a different kettle of fish, and he also wasn't acting alone, but 93 million euros to turn a side that had Mignolet, Lovren, Škrtel, Allen and Benteke into one that lifted a European Cup... For month and a half, I've been thinking that I was perhaps committed to a mental institution and that none of this had happened, now I'm even more certain of that. But I'm not getting off this trip easily!
 

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According to Transfermarkt, his net spend at Liverpool is roughly 93 million euros (counting Camacho, who's not on their list at the moment) in transfer fees. Of course, wages, bonuses, signing-on fees are a different kettle of fish, and he also wasn't acting alone, but 93 million euros to turn a side that had Mignolet, Lovren, Škrtel, Allen and Benteke into one that lifted a European Cup... For month and a half, I've been thinking that I was perhaps committed to a mental institution and that none of this had happened, now I'm even more certain of that. But I'm not getting off this trip easily!
i did a calculation the other day with regards to what ourselves and the two manc clubs have spent and recouped since 2007/08 ( when city got the first set of foreign owners )

man city - just over £1.6 billion recouping just £421 million

we have spent just under £1.1 billion but recouped £753 million

United spent around £1.18 billion and recouped £425 million

figures might be a few quid +/- as I rounded up and down to make them whole numbers .

we'd be well in profit considering the current value of our squad whereas the other 2 would fall well short of ever recouping what they have spent in that time period .
 
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Just to add Chelsea to your list:

Spent £1.27 billion, recouped £771 million (according to transfermarkt).
 
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Just to add Chelsea to your list:

Spent £1.27 billion, recoupled £771 million (according to transfermarkt).
I wonder how much of that recouped comes from china ? ( ramires and oscar went for sums that weren't their true value )

chelsea would struggle to sell their first 11 and make a profit on that £1.27 billion even having already recouped £771 m. They've made some good profits on players that never or rarely featured for them though !

Many Liverpool supporters have complained over the years with regards to transfers but we've actually done remarkably well from a business point of view .

when it comes to who would you buy ? i'd have to say whoever the staff want ! they certainly know how to get the best out of anyone ! don't really think there is one player that i wish we had .
 

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While current squad value/sellability might be testimony to the work Klopp/Edwards have done, the reality is that its neither here nor there for us fans. The one area the dissenters (whom I can't believe we still have) actually do have fertile ground is that as a fan I'm personally only arsed about what happens on the pitch, and trophies in the cabinet - and while the Champions League was great, I want more - notably the league.

Like I've pointed out though, we're blissfully past the point of buying whoever's available in an attempt to stop the bleeding, and are instead performing delicate surgery. And that's delicate work - and am delighted the lads in charge are carefully carefully using a scalpel rather than a hatchet.