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Who would you buy?

GermanRed

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Can't see us going for Sancho with the amount it will cost after signing that deal. Havertz is the one I would love to get now. He can cover Firmino and Mane and play the AM role we have been crying out for the last two seasons.
I think you’re mistaking Havertz with someone else - maybe Julian Brandt who signed for Dortmund this summer?

Havertz is not a CF/ST and not really a wide attacker.

He is a CAM being used as a #8 in a 4-3-3 under Leverkusen manager Peter Bosz. That’s also where he would start for us.

He’d be our most attacking #8.
 


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Havertz is an elite talent, for me he's in the same bracket as Mbappe, only in a different role. I'd hate it if he went to Bayern but then again I'm a cynical hypocrite and would prefer that to seeing him play for any English club that isn't called Liverpool. 100 million euros for a player who can play on the wing but his strongest role is probably the one in which Klopp has already invested about 100 million euros... I'm not sure, I think Bild are talking crap there.
 

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I'm not berating the kids, I'm just pointing out that they aren't at the level some of us believed. I'm criticising the management, if anyone, for over optimism.
You’d need to know the circumstances thought. U23s are hugely variable in terms of development, and we often have kids much younger than at other clubs.
 

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Havertz is an elite talent, for me he's in the same bracket as Mbappe, only in a different role. I'd hate it if he went to Bayern but then again I'm a cynical hypocrite and would prefer that to seeing him play for any English club that isn't called Liverpool. 100 million euros for a player who can play on the wing but his strongest role is probably the one in which Klopp has already invested about 100 million euros... I'm not sure, I think Bild are talking crap there.
Havertz, Mbappe, Sancho, de Ligt, João Felix, Donnarumma, TAA - I’d say these are the standout elite talents. Not sure if anyone else comes close.
 

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Alisson
Gomez(1,88m) Matip(1,95m) VvD(1,93m) Robertson
Havertz(1,88m) Fabinho(1,90m) Grujic(1,90m)
Salah Origi(1,85m) Mané

I think the plan is clear. Klopp is building a squad for his successor Tony Pulis. Everybody run riot in 5...4...3...2...1... :)
 



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Alisson
Gomez(1,88m) Matip(1,95m) VvD(1,93m) Robertson
Havertz(1,88m) Fabinho(1,90m) Grujic(1,90m)
Salah Origi(1,85m) Mané

I think the plan is clear. Klopp is building a squad for his successor Tony Pulis. Everybody run riot in 5...4...3...2...1...
On a serious note, given we have recently been discussing the possibility of Klopp sticking to his guns and leaving when his current contract expires, i have wondered whether some of his decisions not to spend may be in part to save money for a successor to spend.
 



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Nikola Jelavic scored a hatfull of goals in his first few games for Everton as well.
I was trying to think of who he reminded me of and I think you've nailed it. Jelavic/Zaki/Gray - scoring a bunch of goals at a newly promoted team but will quickly fade away.
 

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I was trying to think of who he reminded me of and I think you've nailed it. Jelavic/Zaki/Gray - scoring a bunch of goals at a newly promoted team but will quickly fade away.
It's a great story and I wish him well. However, he is currently playing at a level far above anything he has ever done in a professional career that is well over a decade long. These stories happen occasionally in football and they are great when they do. But that doesnt mean that he's reliable performer at this current level.
 

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Surprised to read he's 29.
Yeah, flopped at a few clubs. There's another Finish striker who is going from club to club, Pohjanpalo.

Jelavic was also pretty much nowhere until he got a strong season in Austria. Then Rangers (probably thought he was Dado Prso-like), then Everton. Had injuries earlier in his career. Was at the Ernst Happel in Vienna when we played a friendly in 2009, Rapid Vienna v Liverpool for their 115th anniversary. Jelavic got the winner.
 

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Yeah, flopped at a few clubs. There's another Finish striker who is going from club to club, Pohjanpalo.

Jelavic was also pretty much nowhere until he got a strong season in Austria. Then Rangers (probably thought he was Dado Prso-like), then Everton. Had injuries earlier in his career. Was at the Ernst Happel in Vienna when we played a friendly in 2009, Rapid Vienna v Liverpool for their 115th anniversary. Jelavic got the winner.
Thank you, sir.
 



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It's a great story and I wish him well. However, he is currently playing at a level far above anything he has ever done in a professional career that is well over a decade long. These stories happen occasionally in football and they are great when they do. But that doesnt mean that he's reliable performer at this current level.
Didn't he score a whole hat full of goals last year in championship?

Maybe Kevin Phillips better example, came up full of confidence and got thirty, before he settled into useful prem player, but never threatened 30 again.
 

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On a serious note, given we have recently been discussing the possibility of Klopp sticking to his guns and leaving when his current contract expires, i have wondered whether some of his decisions not to spend may be in part to save money for a successor to spend.
Not likely for many reasons.

Klopp will most likely stay with us for more further than 3 seasons.
We have a strong squad. We didn't spend on an attacker because it would have destabilized the team.
Origi was given a new contract because there was no value in the market and he earned his place here

The young dutch lad and Adrian are the type of signings that the transfer committee made when we already had a successful team. Future and contingency planning. It's not blockbuster, but it's pragmatic.

If we have to sign another van dijk for a record fee 5 years from now, then we have to reconsider whether it's worth having an academy.
 

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!!! SPOILER ALERT !!!
!!! FUTURE HALL OF FAME POST !!!

James Maddison - there is something i don’t like about him - idk what it is.

He'll join ManU and then end up at Everton!

You’ve read it here first.
 



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!!! SPOILER ALERT !!!
!!! FUTURE HALL OF FAME POST !!!

James Maddison - there is something i don’t like about him - idk what it is.

He'll join ManU and then end up at Everton!

You’ve read it here first.
Won't disagree with him joining man utd. Especially at the salaries they are willing to pay for English players.

Decent player though , as it stands now , joining the bitters makes you join a better team than joining the scums.

And if they aren't qualifying for UCL , chances of Sancho/maddinson making a move there goes down drastically.
 

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Next Jan or summer, we need to address below.
1. Left Back cover
2. Right Back cover
3. Wing cover
4. Milner replacement in midfield
5. Lovren replacement

Will we address few of these with our youth.

Wilson may be used as cover for wing.
Grujic maybe used as Milner replacement in midfield. Actually don't think anyone can replace Milner. But just add another body and a bit of depth to midfield?
Hoever, Sepp, Larouci maybe as RB, CB and LB covers?
We will have to see how Klopp plan this. For now, what he has done is to postpone all these things by 1 transfer window, by not doing anything in this window. A brave move which not many people will be willing to do.
 

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Milner and Lallana out

Havertz and Grujic in.
Loan out Jones.

Midfield solved.
 

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Maddison is quality , watched him yesterday. Lost the ball and his aggression to win it back and give it to Vardy to finish was amazing. Think United got the wrong man from Leicester. Hopefully we can get him.
 



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Maddison is quality , watched him yesterday. Lost the ball and his aggression to win it back and give it to Vardy to finish was amazing. Think United got the wrong man from Leicester. Hopefully we can get him.
He is under contract till 2023. Should be costing 100m. So the question would be is it worth. I hope both Ox and Keita get less injured and start performing consistently.
 

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Back to who will we buy rather than berating our kids..

I think we are pushing for Havertz with a back up option of Aouar. And I like this thinking! (a no.8 / 10).

The evolution of the midfield is probably next on the list for Klopp, Milner/Lallana as immediate replacements (next summer), longer term; Henderson/Wijnaldum etc. So bringing in Havertz/Aouar to replace both Milner/Lallana looks like a realistic option.

My question is do we think we can get Sancho at the same time? Is that pushing us? Or is that why we held fire this summer?

It's not outside the realms of reality. You'd expect Origi/Shaqiri to move on - That would net us £40mil or so.

So replacing 4 players and bringing in 2 top quality players...

Imagine this next season;

Alisson (26)

A-Arnold (20) -- Gomez (22) -- Van Dijk (28) -- Robertson (25)

Fabinho (25)

Havertz (20) -- Keita (24)

Salah (27) -- Firmino (27) -- Mane (27)
Defense rotation options
Larouci (17)
Hoever (18)
Van Der Berg (17)

Midfield rotation options
Henderson (29)
Wijnaldum (28)
Oxlade (26)

Frontline rotation options
Sancho (19)
Brewster (19)
Elliot (16)

See the succession planning...? All the ages seem to mirror up with peak and youngsters coming through to pick up once they hit 30/31 etc.
Good post. This is how I see it too, with clear succession planning being done.

The next priority is clearly a CM/AM to replace Milner/Lallana, and Havertz and Aouar are the two standout candidates there. Maddison is probably on that CM list somewhere further down as well, but I'd actually be pretty surprised if the club didn't land one of their top 2 choices there, seeing as it will be THE transfer where big money goes next summer, and Liverpool is a highly attractive option now.

At CB, Hoever looks closer to being ready for the first team and is likely lined up to take over from Lovren as CB No.4 next summer. From limited viewings in preseason Van den Berg looks like he still needs at least a couple of years to develop, which lines him up to be Matip's replacement in around 2-3 years (at the earliest).

Grabara is also looking like a really solid prospect in goal too, so that's covered nicely, though Alisson should stay productive for many more years as well as goalkeepers prime age is higher than outfielders.

I also agree that we'll also see a serious addition up front as well, though I doubt it will be someone who breaks the bank like Sancho. Ideally it would be Werner who will be available for a €30m release clause.

Whatever the case, a CM and a forward (both in the 19-23 age range) should be the two biggest moves next summer.
 

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On a serious note, given we have recently been discussing the possibility of Klopp sticking to his guns and leaving when his current contract expires, i have wondered whether some of his decisions not to spend may be in part to save money for a successor to spend.
No way that that's the case. Klopp will want the squad to be competitive throughout his time here, and given how logically and analytically he seems to work Michael Edwards will also want to ensure that transfers are made with long-term succession in mind.
 

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How good is Grujic? Hertha BSC seem to quite like him.
Difficult to say. Probably just good enough to be a starter for Everton, Wolves, Leicester atm.

Think he needs to be with out first team in 20/21 and in 21/22 he will be good enough to replace Henderson.

I'd love to see him play next to Fabinho in a double pivot (double #6) but not sure if it ever going to happen.