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Who would you buy?

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Personally I hope Lallana and Milner will leave after this season so that we can bring in a new midfielder for the #8 position.

Elite talent Havertz but we would have to break our transfer record.

Eriksen on a free?

Bruno Fernandes?

Other options?

Curtis Jones could be the replacement for Lallana but I think he needs a loan in the winter or next summer.

Grujic should be in the squad next season and maybe he will be ready to replace Jordan Henderson the season after.
Eriksen would be a good signing for whoever gets him on a free, but I don't think he fits the age profile we're going to be looking for in that role. Ideally Milner and Lallana's replacement will be someone under 23 who can grow with the next wave of core players so that we can have a smooth transition and remain competitive after the current core of 27+ year old players exit their peak years and inevitably move on.
 


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I think that Klopp is irreplaceable - and I'm already dreading his departure - but I don't think he'd have assembled this side without Edwards' (and Gordon's) competence (he's already claimed that they convinced him to sign Salah, for example). The only trouble is, he's such a good fit that no one comes close to him but that's for another discussion, I guess.
Yes it works well within the whole group and that to me is down to our manager. The group you mentioned was here before him, although we did have an idiot called Ayre in the same group but still, they did buy player that Klopp transformed like Firmino with his predecessor bitching about wrong tools. That’s why I can only give more credit to the manager than the rest because the year to me are still unknown entity. If they could repeat the same feat with another man in charge, I would be the first to give them the accolades.
 

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If they could repeat the same feat with another man in charge, I would be the first to give them the accolades.
Isn't that kind of an unfair standard? Does Klopp have to replicate his accomplishments with Ayre and assorted clowns running the front office?

It's a fortuitously symbiotic relationship where each party makes each other better. No need to pick one or the other to give the 'real' credit to, imo.
 



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Isn't that kind of an unfair standard? Does Klopp have to replicate his accomplishments with Ayre and assorted clowns running the front office?

It's a fortuitously symbiotic relationship where each party makes each other better. No need to pick one or the other to give the 'real' credit to, imo.
Nope Klopp has accomplished his goals in Dortmund and now here. So in terms of trend, pattern and historical data used to show his worth and would not even blink to think he will be able to do the same under Ian Ayre. It’s not unfair, it’s using past achievements to draw that conclusion.

Let me put it this way, who worries you more if he leaves? Klopp or King Edwards? I know what my answer is going to be. For what it is worth, I am giving more credit to the manager less so to the others. They get it but they aren’t the ultimate factor to me. Not binary choice, all get credit on different percentage.
 
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Although we have started off well, in fact brilliantly, I still believe we need cover for Robbo. It doesn't have to be a big name just an up and coming player with first team experience for his club. He would have to be prepared to sit on the bench for long periods, so a confirmed Liverpool supporter with loyalties to our club would be much preferred. Does anyone know who would fit the bill?
 

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We can praise Matip's performance without making exaggerated claims like this. He has been very good thus far. He's also not the second best CB in the world.
Familiarity breeds contempt. If we’d bought Matip for £50m this summer, we’d be drooling over him and think Centre Back was covered.
 

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Nope Klopp has accomplished his goals in Dortmund and now here. So in terms of trend, pattern and historical data used to show his worth and would not even blink to think he will be able to do the same under Ian Ayre. It’s not unfair, it’s using past achievements to draw that conclusion.

Let me put it this way, who worries you more if he leaves? Klopp or King Edwards? I know what my answer is going to be. For what it is worth, I am giving more credit to the manager less so to the others. They get it but they aren’t the ultimate factor to me. Not binary choice, all get credit on different percentage.
Klopp's whole "thing" was that he was lucky enough to work with a very highly respected management team at Dortmund. Yes, they struggled with his replacements for a while before Favre, but they remain highly thought of. It takes all elements working together. Klopp would be the first to say that he wouldn't be the manager he is without all of the people he has been able to work with for his whole career. Edwards and his team struggled with Rodgers. Klopp would struggle at United.

You say it's just about "percentages", but you have priors for pouring cold water on any praise of Michael Edwards ("King Edwards", you say sarcastically). That isn't about giving credit where credit is due; you just have a weird bone to pick.

To be clear: I think Klopp is an absolutely phenomenal manager, in pretty much every aspect of the job. But at the end of the day, to answer your question, the structure in place above the manager will always be more important to get right long-term. These are the people who will, inevitably, have to find the successor to Klopp someday. United are living proof of what happens when you put all your eggs into the legacy of one manager.
 

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At least we are no longer bitching about whether the club are going well or not.

Now we are just bitching over who gets how much credit for it.
We are "bitching" about one person's derisory, pathological need to be contrarian at every possible opportunity. It's like he's summoned by dark magic whenever the word E*wards appears in a post.
 

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Klopp's whole "thing" was that he was lucky enough to work with a very highly respected management team at Dortmund. Yes, they struggled with his replacements for a while before Favre, but they remain highly thought of. It takes all elements working together. Klopp would be the first to say that he wouldn't be the manager he is without all of the people he has been able to work with for his whole career. Edwards and his team struggled with Rodgers. Klopp would struggle at United.

You say it's just about "percentages", but you have priors for pouring cold water on any praise of Michael Edwards ("King Edwards", you say sarcastically). That isn't about giving credit where credit is due; you just have a weird bone to pick.
I think Klopp will do as well with us as he would with United, or Chelsea. That's how good he is. The structure we have today isn't something that had just been implemented by the club when Klopp arrived, it's been around. Today it comes to fruition because the man himself developed the players from average to someone special. That is why I gave him more credit. I have no bone to pick with Michael Edwards, like I never have any bones to pick with Lucas back then, which I hope you get it.
 



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This is just blatant trolling.
Nope, I am not trolling you. I am explaining to you that I do really have no problems with Edwards, just the people who hype him up too much I feel needs to wait and see. Like how I felt Lucas had been too hyped up, and at one point Henderson too and so on. Why the need to label people? Besides, you picked my post up to comment, I didn't go around chasing you down. So let's get one thing clear here, please. I put my point across and you labelled me something I am not in the previous post, so I clarify. And you call me a troll? Damn....
 

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The better the people the better, for everyone involved. 'Better' includes being able to co-operate and work with other people, so that everyone can do their best work. We all know the co-worker who's somewhat brilliant in his/her field, but unable to co-operate or the boss who can't take advice/criticism or won't delegate at the right moments. I think Klopp's character is perfect to give other able, talented people some room to shine and help create a good working environment.
 

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Besides, you picked my post up to comment, I didn't go around chasing you down.
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the concept of a discussion forum...

Re: Lucas, you're intentionally bringing up past conflicts that we've had-- completely off topic-- to try and bait a reaction. Congratulations, I fell for it again.

Regarding the conversation at hand: what would you say is the 'proper' amount of credit to give Edwards? Because it seems to me like every time someone talks about him you show up and start lecturing about how he doesn't deserve it.
 

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Re: Lucas, you're intentionally bringing up past conflicts that we've had-- completely off topic-- to try and bait a reaction. Congratulations, I fell for it again.
Honestly I did not.... but if you think I do, can't stop you for labeling me whatever you want. I was just using it as an example of fans overhyping someone at times, which does not mean I don't like the player or whoever they hyped. But hey, you seemed to like to find ways to put all sorts of accusation on me. Ever since we've interacted years back.
 



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After we win the league this year I think the sting in the tail might be Salah deciding to try his hand in Spain. Got nothing to base it on, other than a hunch. If that happens I could see us going big on Sancho as a direct replacement. We might even add Havertz to the attacking midfield as we’ve been saving our pennies.
Will not be fussed overly about losing Salah. Just hands off Bobby and mane.
 

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With Duncan and Kent departing, Liverpool will have made almost 50 million pounds profit on transfer dealings this summer, various bonuses and wages not included. Overall net spending in Klopp's era is down to some 70 million pounds if I'm not mistaken. That's some great work from him and Edwards, even if the cloud of doubt over not strengthening the squad by getting in a new senior or two is still present. I wish they would run my countries.
The impressive thing is how much money has come from bit-part players who were patently not at Liverpool's level, or who would have a hard time fulfilling their career here, rather than from players being sold out from under the manager.

Really the only meaningful asset to leave since Klopp has arrived was Coutinho, a situation which was a.) forced upon us, and b.) converted into way more playing value than we lost.

The net spend is incredibly deceptive. Klopp really has not had a shoestring budget to work on; the staff above him has just been masterful in maximising the value of departing assets. Getting so much for Ings was impressive. Getting almost as much for Solanke is next-level.

Also beneficial is how assiduously the members of the recruitment setup keep out of the limelight. There was that one (fantastic) article in the NYT, but they are quite content to let Klopp be the face of Liverpool. (y)
 

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The impressive thing is how much money has come from bit-part players who were patently not at Liverpool's level, or who would have a hard time fulfilling their career here, rather than from players being sold out from under the manager.

Really the only meaningful asset to leave since Klopp has arrived was Coutinho, a situation which was a.) forced upon us, and b.) converted into way more playing value than we lost.

The net spend is incredibly deceptive. Klopp really has not had a shoestring budget to work on; the staff above him has just been masterful in maximising the value of departing assets. Getting so much for Ings was impressive. Getting almost as much for Solanke is next-level.

Also beneficial is how assiduously the members of the recruitment setup keep out of the limelight. There was that one (fantastic) article in the NYT, but they are quite content to let Klopp be the face of Liverpool.
And rightly so, I think the recruitment guys want to be as anonymous as possible for business' sake.

Their single biggest transfer success for me, at least when it comes to sales, is getting rid of Benteke for roughly what he cost Liverpool. I sometimes watch him and shudder, how the hell did this guy line up for Liverpool? That he played just a few years after Carroll is no mitigating circumstance in my head... :) And that money was probably reinvested to fund Mane's arrival.

Really, quality work from all parties involved from Liverpool's side. I also think they silently implemented a few tricks that clubs like Chelsea used, namely the improvement in loan system that increases the amount of money club can ask for players. A while back, loan meant we'd never see that player in a Liverpool shirt again, that they tried to sell him but no one wanted to spend money on him. Now, not just that, club are ready for brinkmanship games in order to get what they want, as well as getting a few underrated players (like Ings, Solanke, Stewart) and selling them for massive profit.

Long may this continue, I'm honestly still not used to this. It's like watching Ferguson's Man United with Gill at the helm or Juventus at the top of their game at times - the former comparison won't be popular here but we have to admit it, they were great at conducting business.
 

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Familiarity breeds contempt. If we’d bought Matip for £50m this summer, we’d be drooling over him and think Centre Back was covered.
That really doesn't have anything to do with the absurd assessment that he's the second best CB in world football.

But even in following your tangent, I don't agree with your conclusion. It smacks of recency bias. Some of you are forgetting what Joel Matip looked like before we signed Virgil. He was an injury-prone, inconsistent CB who could not be relied upon to head a central defense. Joel Matip is only as good as the partner next to him....and that's if he remains healthy.

Great CBs thrive irrespective of who they partner with. That's what separates studs like VVD and Koulibaly from players like Matip. Anyone who has watched Koulibaly play knows that he's a colossus back there...one of the reasons why Liverpool only scored once over two legs against Napoli last year (with the one goal coming from some greatness from Salah to beat KK). And he clearly runs that defense; he doesn't have the best defender in the world covering behind him.

Anyway, I don't think we're going to buy Koulibaly, despite the fact that he was on our short list with VVD when we decided to buy a CB two summers ago. I do think it's unquestionably true that we'd be even better back there with Koulibaly, though.
 

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That really doesn't have anything to do with the absurd assessment that he's the second best CB in world football.

But even in following your tangent, I don't agree with your conclusion. It smacks of recency bias. Some of you are forgetting what Joel Matip looked like before we signed Virgil. He was an injury-prone, inconsistent CB who could not be relied upon to head a central defense. Joel Matip is only as good as the partner next to him....and that's if he remains healthy.

Great CBs thrive irrespective of who they partner with. That's what separates studs like VVD and Koulibaly from players like Matip. Anyone who has watched Koulibaly play knows that he's a colossus back there...one of the reasons why Liverpool only scored once over two legs against Napoli last year (with the one goal coming from some greatness from Salah to beat KK). And he clearly runs that defense; he doesn't have the best defender in the world covering behind him.

Anyway, I don't think we're going to buy Koulibaly, despite the fact that he was on our short list with VVD when we decided to buy a CB two summers ago. I do think it's unquestionably true that we'd be even better back there with Koulibaly, though.
Agree partly with most of what you say, but the reason we only scored one against Napoli was down to poor finishing on our behalf, nothing else.

Koulibaly though is a beast.
 



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But even in following your tangent, I don't agree with your conclusion. It smacks of recency bias. Some of you are forgetting what Joel Matip looked like before we signed Virgil. He was an injury-prone, inconsistent CB who could not be relied upon to head a central defense. Joel Matip is only as good as the partner next to him....and that's if he remains healthy.
I don’t think that’s true. If you read the forum from around the time Matip had the issue with the Cameroon FA, there was much anguish around what we’d do, how we needed him and how we’d cope without him.

He has had spells of being very good, and spells of being inconsistent. His patchy injury record has not help.

But not true to suggest he was shite before Virg came. He had spells of being very good.
 

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I don’t think that’s true. If you read the forum from around the time Matip had the issue with the Cameroon FA, there was much anguish around what we’d do, how we needed him and how we’d cope without him.

He has had spells of being very good, and spells of being inconsistent. His patchy injury record has not help.

But not true to suggest he was shite before Virg came. He had spells of being very good.
I didn't suggest he was "shite." I said he was inconsistent...which means that he was good at times, and not good at others. Not sure why that's controversial when you yourself are saying that he had "spells of being very good, and spells of being inconsistent."

And the fact that we were worried about him during his dispute with the Cameroon FA had as much to do with our lack of quality depth at CB as it did with our perception of Matip's quality. We were forced to start Lucas Leiva at CB at one point, IIRC.

And again, that has nothing to do with the original claim that he was the second best CB in world football.
 

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I didn't suggest he was "shite." I said he was inconsistent...which means that he was good at times, and not good at others. Not sure why that's controversial when you yourself are saying that he had "spells of being very good, and spells of being inconsistent."

And the fact that we were worried about him during his dispute with the Cameroon FA had as much to do with our lack of quality depth at CB as it did with our perception of Matip's quality. We were forced to start Lucas Leiva at CB at one point, IIRC.

And again, that has nothing to do with the original claim that he was the second best CB in world football.
The claim was only for 2019, not in general. There is a huge difference there.

James Milner was the best/2nd best LB in the league in 2018. That doesn't mean he was ever "the best left back in the premier league".