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JibJab

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What mistakes?

As far as I can see Matip has done plenty of mopping up himself.
He's had a couple runs slip past him this season from my recollection, but he's been good. Again, not sure why you're arguing with me about Matip. We're of a similar frame of mind on him from what I can tell. My only contention was to reject the notion that he could be as good without Virgil to protect him.

Thoughts on Koulibaly.

1. He will realistically be 29 before a transfer can be made.

2. We’d be looking at a Virgil-esque fee.

3. There are areas of greater need in the squad.

4. We have four solid senior CBs and two very highly rated youngsters.

For these reasons I think there is no chance of signing Koulibaly, and it would be a poor use of money to do so.

If we are planning to spend big cash it will be further up the pitch.
I agree with you that we're unlikely to sign Koulibaly for those reasons. But my argument in support of Koulibaly has as much to do with his defensive prowess as it has to do with the safety net he provides. I think our defense takes a massive, and potentially fatal hit if Virgil gets hurt. He's our only indispensable player. Adding Koulibaly would give us cover there.

But again, I agree that we could spend that money more effectively elsewhere.
 


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I think our defense takes a massive, and potentially fatal hit if Virgil gets hurt. He's our only indispensable player. Adding Koulibaly would give us cover there.
I think you are forgetting that the players who have improved while playing with Virgil won't suddenly lose their skillset. Yes vvd injury will be a huge blow , but I'd back matip / Gomez to be improved enough to see through most opposition. Not sure I'd back lovren though.

Koulibaly with all his strengths will be Overkill and I don't see Liverpool moving for someone who's going to be 30 soon.

Terrific player though but Liverpool's way forward for the center defense right now is to grow them at home. Getting vvd with all his other leadership attributes was part of the reason. He sets the benchmark that others aspire to.
 

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I think you are forgetting that the players who have improved while playing with Virgil won't suddenly lose their skillset. Yes vvd injury will be a huge blow , but I'd back matip / Gomez to be improved enough to see through most opposition. Not sure I'd back lovren though.
It's admittedly hard to say because we have not seen much of them without Virgil since he arrived here - I think the limited spells haven't been promising, but too much a small sample size to derive any meaningful conclusions. So it's hard to ascertain how much they've improved since Virgil came on board versus how much of their performance is dependent on Virgil's protection.

So much of our attack is dependent on having so much trust in Virgil's quality that we can freely throw our fullbacks forward with confidence that Virgil would be able to stifle an attempt at a quick counterattack. If Big Virg gets hurt, can you honestly say that you'd be secure knowing that it's Joel Matip sitting back there instead? I would not feel that way. But if its Kalidou Koulibaly? I'm still resting easy.
 

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I think you are forgetting that the players who have improved while playing with Virgil won't suddenly lose their skillset. Yes vvd injury will be a huge blow , but I'd back matip / Gomez to be improved enough to see through most opposition. Not sure I'd back lovren though.

Koulibaly with all his strengths will be Overkill and I don't see Liverpool moving for someone who's going to be 30 soon.

Terrific player though but Liverpool's way forward for the center defense right now is to grow them at home. Getting vvd with all his other leadership attributes was part of the reason. He sets the benchmark that others aspire to.
I agree with that on Koulibaly, I feel as though if we were to sign him it should have been a few windows ago. Now I'm not sure it makes sense given it's going to cost virtually the same amount(possible more) for less years with the player at their top form.
 



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There is something about Adama Traore. A bit uneaven, but I would love seeing him as a winger under Klopp.
He's the epitome of a one-dimensional and selfish player. All he does is dribble, albeit at a very high level, but he provides very little output in terms of goals or assists, and isn't involved interlinking with teammates much at all. Nor is he very aware or structured off the ball. Needless to say, he's one of the last players I'd imagine Klopp would have an interest in - and that's before considering his character which isn't one Klopp would fancy either.
 

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There is something about Adama Traore. A bit uneaven, but I would love seeing him as a winger under Klopp.
When he broke through as a youngster he looked like he could be a star. He has always been an insanely good dribbler but he does nothing once he gets into dangerous positions. Hasn't progressed at all since he broke through at Barca. He's only 23 so it might just click at one point. If he adds end product he'd be some player. Doubt it'll happen though
 

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He's the epitome of a one-dimensional and selfish player. All he does is dribble, albeit at a very high level, but he provides very little output in terms of goals or assists, and isn't involved interlinking with teammates much at all. Nor is he very aware or structured off the ball. Needless to say, he's one of the last players I'd imagine Klopp would have an interest in - and that's before considering his character which isn't one Klopp would fancy either.
I see clear improvement this year. He has set up a few goals this season. He's by no means been a one trick pony, and unlike the likes of Ibe he does have the vision - if he just choose to be less selfish. I agree on the selfish part, and he dribbles too much, but (unless he's a real prick) that can be worked on.

I remember people saying the same thing about Mane.
 

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I see clear improvement this year. He has set up a few goals this season. He's by no means been a one trick pony, and unlike the likes of Ibe he does have the vision - if he just choose to be less selfish. I agree on the selfish part, and he dribbles too much, but (unless he's a real prick) that can be worked on.

I remember people saying the same thing about Mane.
The club is in a really healthy position now, so we don't need to be gambling on any more character projects like Ballotelli anymore.
 

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I see clear improvement this year. He has set up a few goals this season. He's by no means been a one trick pony, and unlike the likes of Ibe he does have the vision - if he just choose to be less selfish. I agree on the selfish part, and he dribbles too much, but (unless he's a real prick) that can be worked on.

I remember people saying the same thing about Mane.
But Mane's output was always much better than Traore's has ever been.
 



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Everyone is watching Pukki, but Emi Buendia from Norwich is 100% Klopp player. Can play everywhere, very agile, has some crazy skills, eye for a pass and always give his maximum. This amazing little argentinian is only 22 years of age. His price will only go up this year.

MOTD highlighted his performance against City as well. Looks really tidy and has rare two-footedness as well. 4 assists in 5 PL games so far.

He does look like a Klopp player, but won't come cheap though given that he just extended his contract this 2 months ago (until 2024).

I still think Auoar and Havertz would be the top 2 choices to replace Milner/Lallana, but always good to see some other decent options.
 

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MOTD highlighted his performance against City as well. Looks really tidy and has rare two-footedness as well. 4 assists in 5 PL games so far.

He does look like a Klopp player, but won't come cheap though given that he just extended his contract this 2 months ago (until 2024).

I still think Auoar and Havertz would be the top 2 choices to replace Milner/Lallana, but always good to see some other decent options.
His big advantage to other players you mentioned is that he played championship football last year. For me the most competitive league, very hard and tough for newcomers, which makes his life much more easier in the PL. Still can't believe they got him for just 2,5 mill euros. Of course his price is now going up.
 

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Buendia. Good day? :)

We'll see how he does, is his limit down the line that of a Manuel Lanzini par example, or capable of more than that. The amazing thing about Norwich's start to the season is that they did it with a number of players missing, especially on Saturday. A few of them having their debuts, playing out of position, etc.
 

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His big advantage to other players you mentioned is that he played championship football last year. For me the most competitive league, very hard and tough for newcomers, which makes his life much more easier in the PL. Still can't believe they got him for just 2,5 mill euros. Of course his price is now going up.
Hmm, I don't think playing Championship is that big of an advantage, other than the fact that he's already settled in the country. Aouar and Havertz have played several seasons in top 5 eagues too, and also CL, which could conversely give them an advantage as well.

Another minor factor to consider is that Buendia has spanish citizenship so there would be none of the work permit issues we've had with other players in the past (eg. Leto, Mark Gonzalez, Allan, etc).
 



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Buendia. Good day? :)

We'll see how he does, is his limit down the line that of a Manuel Lanzini par example, or capable of more than that. The amazing thing about Norwich's start to the season is that they did it with a number of players missing, especially on Saturday. A few of them having their debuts, playing out of position, etc.
Just goes to show the importance of good coaching and scouting/recruitment. When players have been recruited for specific roles and know their roles well the team can still do well even with some rotation.

Speaking of which, Norwich's sporting director Stuart Webber and their manager Farke both look destined for a bigger club. Perhaps Farke will end up at Spurs when Pocchetino leaves, or maybe as Klopp's successor if he decides to take a break from football in 2022. Arsenal or United could certainly do worse than hiring that pair to run the football side of things as well.
 

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Farke is doing well but there’s still a gap for me before he can be talked about in connection with us. He clearly has ideas about the game and is a good coach, but let’s see more. At present he has just got to the Prem and is in the lower reaches. If he keeps progressing there would probably be another club between Norwich and us, such is our level these days. One to watch though, definitely.

(I’m watching Julian Nagelsmann to see how his career trajectory unfolds. Young, now at his second biggish job already).
 

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Hmm, I don't think playing Championship is that big of an advantage, other than the fact that he's already settled in the country. Aouar and Havertz have played several seasons in top 5 eagues too, and also CL, which could conversely give them an advantage as well.

Another minor factor to consider is that Buendia has spanish citizenship so there would be none of the work permit issues we've had with other players in the past (eg. Leto, Mark Gonzalez, Allan, etc).
Yeah, seen plenty of players tearing it up in the Championship but fail to make the step up to the highest level.

Early days for Norwich. I'd prefer to give them a few months before judging their players; Aouar and Havertz though are class and i'd have either or both.
 



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I wonder if we're taking a look at Alfie Haaland's son, who's already hit 17 goals (not a typo) in 9 games this season for Salzburg, and during the summer hit 9 goals in one Norway U20s game. As well as being huge he's apparently quick, skillful and hard-working. Scored a hat-trick on his CL debut last night, the first player to do so since Rooney.


I guess we'll get a closer look at him when we play Salzburg.
 
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Sounds like a future Leipzig signing (minus the skills) once Werner leaves.

:LOL:
I think he'll go down the Mane route rather than the Naby route, and go direct from Salzburg to the PL (where he really wants to be), rather than via the RB parent club. He's already turned down an offer from Juventus!
 

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Another minor factor to consider is that Buendia has spanish citizenship so there would be none of the work permit issues we've had with other players in the past (eg. Leto, Mark Gonzalez, Allan, etc).
You obviously have more confidence than me that Brexit is going to be cancelled!!
 

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I wonder if we're taking a look at Alfie Haaland's son, who's already hit 17 goals (not a typo) in 9 games this season for Salzburg, and during the summer hit 9 goals in one Norway U20s game. As well as being huge he's apparently quick, skillful and hard-working: Scored a hat-trick on his CL debut last night, the first player to do so since Rooney.


I guess we'll get a closer look at him when we play Salzburg.
On a similar note, after getting away from Real, the other young Norwegian lad is finally starting to perform. He was the best played on the pitch against Atletico on the weekend.
 



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On a similar note, after getting away from Real, the other young Norwegian lad is finally starting to perform. He was the best played on the pitch against Atletico on the weekend.
Weirdly I was wondering about him just last night and where he'd got to, good to hear he's pushing on at last.
 

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On a similar note, after getting away from Real, the other young Norwegian lad is finally starting to perform. He was the best played on the pitch against Atletico on the weekend.
Odegaard was supposed to be the next Suarez. Unfortunately he is only out on loan, so plenty of time for Real to ruin him.