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An interesting comparison indeed. It's worth noting though that Grujic is more than three years older than Havertz, so it's obvious the the latter must have a higher ceiling. Also, I'm not sure that the mere general stats as listed above give a complete picture of both players. Klopp and the recruitment team are surely looking at far more extensive data to judge a player's qualities, and more importantly, to judge how he'd fit in at the club (also the mental aspects, of which we know how important they are for Klopp and his coaching team).

But it's surely worth asking if Havertz is worth paying such a high amount of money when you already have good players at disposal. Curtis Jones has roughly the same age as Havertz*, so it might be more interesting to compare him with Havertz, rather than Grujic.

* actually scratch that, he's one and a half years younger. o_O
 

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An interesting comparison indeed. It's worth noting though that Grujic is more than three years older than Havertz, so it's obvious the the latter must have a higher ceiling. Also, I'm not sure that the mere general stats as listed above give a complete picture of both players. Klopp and the recruitment team are surely looking at far more extensive data to judge a player's qualities, and more importantly, to judge how he'd fit in at the club (also the mental aspects, of which we know how important they are for Klopp and his coaching team).

But it's surely worth asking if Havertz is worth paying such a high amount of money when you already have good players at disposal. Curtis Jones has roughly the same age as Havertz*, so it might be more interesting to compare him with Havertz, rather than Grujic.

* actually scratch that, he's one and a half years younger. o_O
I would definitely bet my money on Jones if I was Klopp, not to say there are no discussions between Havertz reps and Klopp etc But I really think Jones gave Klopp something to think about with that performance against the Ev. I have to say this though, Havertz is a hell of a talent, the boy is lie a mixture between Ozil and a prime Gotze at times, crazy eye for a pass. If Werner movement becomes more advanced, I think Klopp would call off the Havertz pursuit
 

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I'd go for Havertz. Been an admirer of his for a good long while now and he has performed at a high level for a couple of seasons now. Grujic and Havertz are not the same type of player or in the same type of team so compatibility and comparisons are apples and oranges.
Not particularly, especially this season. Although Havertz has been primarily in a AM position with Grujic at 8 (CM), they both have been taking on the creative role. Particularly with Grujic being in more advanced positions than Darida at times, with Skjelbred being the DM. It seems Klinnsman likes Grujic further up, but tracking back ofcourse. But then again, Klinnsman has been playing around alot with shapes since he came in. My thing is, We already have more than enough AM capable players in Ox, Minamino, Shaq, even Keita etc. Havertz would be a luxury signing. Grujic is both capable to play in the central 3 (with Hendo, Gini, Keita, Fab etc) and in a DM 2 with Fab
 

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I don't think Grujic suites our game play. He is slows and swifts off often. However, I hope he could be super-sub player like Origi because he has some interesting attributes we don't have now. I knows he plays as midfielder but he attacks opponent box often like a target man and his aerial game is excellent. With Robo and Trent cross, I think he will be a dangerous weapon for us.
 

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I don't think Grujic suites our game play. He is slows and swifts off often. However, I hope he could be super-sub player like Origi because he has some interesting attributes we don't have now. I knows he plays as midfielder but he attacks opponent box often like a target man and his aerial game is excellent. With Robo and Trent cross, I think he will be a dangerous weapon for us.
Grujic and Henderson basically play the same position (role), but Klinnsman does not play a 3 man midfield. Grujic next to Fabinho in a 4-2-3-1 would be killer. Both him and Fab have steel, a strong tackle, but are not afraid to carry the ball and pick out a pass. Grujic work rate would be the only question mark
 

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Sorry, Grujic is a poor man's Emre Can. Remember, Voronin was a huge star at Hertha. Just saying...
You got it wrong, Emre Can is a poor mans Grujic. And Voronin was, well, shit. You clearly havent been paying attention...
 

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This thread's title makes me think of a brand war between Central European museli producers. Going by the names it's difficult to say which one leaves you with more bits between your teeth, that being the only possible purpose of museli of course.
As to which player is more likely to get the bit between their teeth, I think, neither. Lallana needs a two year extension and then let's look at things in the cold light of future windows, with these two shorn of two further years' unfulfilled hype.
 
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Adam Lallana!
Oh ... and i have a soft spot for Grujic I think he is a very skillful player who needed to 'grow' up tactically.
Then there's Curtis Jones who's also a skillful player and is grown up tactically.
No need to spend here imo.
 

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Adam Lallana!
Oh ... and i have a soft spot for Grujic I think he is a very skillful player who needed to 'grow' up tactically.
Then there's Curtis Jones who's also a skillful player and is grown up tactically.
No need to spend here imo.
Jones is at the top of the midfield queue. I trust my own eyes more than I do German journalists' quoting the opinion of a trainer with vested interests.
 

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@Jaytinho

Have you watched Grujic much this season? What do you think of his mobility and defensive awareness, in terms of being able to stop counter attacks? I haven't seen him much the last couple of years; always liked him on the ball, but the question mark for me has been how he would do in defensive transition for a Klopp team.

Same question about Havertz, by the way. Looks very elegant on the ball, but I haven't watched him more than a couple of games, and haven't paid any attention to that part of his game.
 

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Jones is at the top of the midfield queue. I trust my own eyes more than I do German journalists' quoting the opinion of a trainer with vested interests.
Every time I see Jones play I can't help thinking 'this guys going to take us far'. How do these youngsters manage to look so cool (must be VVD rubbing off on them, I can't find any other reason unless our academy really is amazing).
 

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Im not saying Havertz wouldn’t be a good signing but, do we really need to sign him when we have such a talent in Grujic on our books? Hes bigger, stronger, and has similar numbers to Havertz this season while playing deeper. I don’t think we need Havertz if our style is not based on having a prototypical number 10 as our focal point. Grujic would offer more defensively as well, but I guess he will have to fight with Milner for game time

I have no idea but those numbers aren't particularly helpful ones to be honest. Things like key passes, pressing sprints per 90 etc would be better ones but they tend to be hidden by Opta.
 

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Every time I see Jones play I can't help thinking 'this guys going to take us far'. How do these youngsters manage to look so cool (must be VVD rubbing off on them, I can't find any other reason unless our academy really is amazing).
Klopp and the culture/work environment he has created. I think that's the 'easy' answer, if that makes sense.
 

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I have no idea but those numbers aren't particularly helpful ones to be honest. Things like key passes, pressing sprints per 90 etc would be better ones but they tend to be hidden by Opta.
Where's the most important statistic? Which if everyone has forgotten is, How high can he/they jump? :LOL:
 

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Klopp and the culture/work environment he has created. I think that's the 'easy' answer, if that makes sense.
Oh yes Klopp is really cool as well. I would love a Klopp hug. I'm not sure how much time he gets with the youngsters but I'm sure his whole ethos makes playing with/for any of our teams a real learning experience that most would be happy to jump into.
 

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Not as much as Gary Glitter would like.
I heard he was set free recently. He'd been manacled to his own cock ring for ten years before they realised he was actually enjoying it.
Anyway now he's free he can start doing those gigs for Man City again. Or was that Noel Gallagher?