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Who would you buy?

T.C.B

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Buy Bruno Fernandez from under the Mancs noses, loan him back to until the end of the season and he replaces Lallana next term. He's quality imo. An added bonus would be watching the Mancs go into meltdown and Goldbridge having a cardiac arrest on Youtube.
 

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Good ideas lately gents.

• Reckon we will sign a Klavan-type player for either below 10 million or a free. Can’t really say who as it will be quite random (like Adrian or even Klavan himself)

• I predict that Curtis will be Lallanas replacement so no new boy in.

• Jürgen might have to analyse Millies future with him ageing so we could see Grujic back to fade Millie away into a backup left back role.

• In my opinion we are still short of an attacking player (excluding Harvey as he is too young still in my opinion and too raw). The dream personally is Mbappe but that means Salah most likely will be gone which is doubtful but maybe so (I would prefer this move to happen though). I reckon we could see a weaker winger come in than Sancho. Can’t really predict but maybe for like 30/40 million who is young and can take over from Salah if he leaves in the future or declines. I’ve seen Sancho social media and it just doesn’t look like a Jürgen player with his attitude. Especially missing training like, it’s a no from me thanks.
 

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It’s fine if you don’t rate him. Some don’t rate grealish either. Others just set their hopes on Mbappe and dembele.
Ward-Prowse has nothing exceptional in his game except set-piece ability and we already have that now and Wilson on loan. Grealish is an overrated show pony with zero work rate. Pretty much covers it, we can do much, much better than either.
 

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Ward-Prowse has nothing exceptional in his game except set-piece ability and we already have that now and Wilson on loan. Grealish is an overrated show pony with zero work rate. Pretty much covers it, we can do much, much better than either.
Grealish I agree with. But I like ward-prowse. We can do better than them though.
 

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It’s fine if you don’t rate him. Some don’t rate grealish either. Others just set their hopes on Mbappe and dembele.
... and don't forget those nutcases that don't watch any other team other than LFC and are waiting for our kiddies to break through into the first team. those that look at our opposition and say no nothing there that takes my fancy get Jones moving up as soon as possible. ;)
 

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Melissa Reddy today published an article about how the Thomas Lemar deal fell through in 2017. Apparently the club were prepared to pay £74m for him then, and perhaps there still may be interest now... particularly if he's available at a more reasonable fee after not kicking on in Spain. Whatever the case, it's rather curious that Reddy would put together a story on him, and suggests that he might be someone the club are looking to bring in next summer. For what it's worth his age profile also lines up with our other forwards behind the front 3:

Mané (27) ------- Firmino (28) ----- Salah (27)
Lemar (24) ------- Origi (25) ------- Minamino (25)
Jones (18) ----- Brewster (19) ----- Elliott (16)
 

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Melissa Reddy today published an article about how the Thomas Lemar deal fell through in 2017. Apparently the club were prepared to pay £74m for him then, and perhaps there still may be interest now... particularly if he's available at a more reasonable fee after not kicking on in Spain. Whatever the case, it's rather curious that Reddy would put together a story on him, and suggests that he might be someone the club are looking to bring in next summer. For what it's worth his age profile also lines up with our other forwards behind the front 3:

Mané (27) ------- Firmino (28) ----- Salah (27)
Lemar (24) ------- Origi (25) ------- Minamino (25)
Jones (18) ----- Brewster (19) ----- Elliott (16)
What’s next? Pepe? Pulisic? Reus? Götze? Lacazette?

No offense but the quantity of your 'who would buy' posts ... it appears to me that you are a 'let’s spend for the sake of spending' guy.

We have the best team in the world.
And the best squad in the world.
And some promising youngsters coming through.
Squad is pretty packed.
Players have long term contracts.

Very likely that not much is going to happen and not much money will be spend.
 

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Ward Prowse is a solid Prem player. Great ball delivery and would undoubtedly improve under Klopp. The trust level is so high in our manager and recruitment team that if we sign him we would be just fine with it. Even if we wouldn't quite be on board with it, there would be a collective anticipation along the lines of, "OK, let's see what we do with this one."

My tuppence worth, since we haven't bid for Ward Prowse:

He's not a player that excites me. I think we have better in the team right now, and better on the books trying to make the grade and get into the team. I can appreciate that we have made some unheralded signings at a cheap price who have shown that they are top notch. Robertson is a great example, and we are also hoping Takumi Minamino follows suit. (That's a mouthful to type, so my vote is we have a vote to decide what we are going to call him, for the sake of abbreviation! I can type Takumi a bit faster than Minamino, so I know how I'm going to vote when this important matter is placed before the people).

But how much would Ward Prowse cost? Contract issues aside, we would overpay, such is life when a big Prem fish wants to raid a smaller Prem fish for one of their star men. If WP cost a small sum like Takumi (see, the abbreviation is working already) then that's one thing, but I would imagine Southampton would be trying to get 40-50M or something silly like that, again, notwithstanding contract issues.
 

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Melissa Reddy today published an article about how the Thomas Lemar deal fell through in 2017. Apparently the club were prepared to pay £74m for him then, and perhaps there still may be interest now... particularly if he's available at a more reasonable fee after not kicking on in Spain. Whatever the case, it's rather curious that Reddy would put together a story on him, and suggests that he might be someone the club are looking to bring in next summer. For what it's worth his age profile also lines up with our other forwards behind the front 3:

Mané (27) ------- Firmino (28) ----- Salah (27)
Lemar (24) ------- Origi (25) ------- Minamino (25)
Jones (18) ----- Brewster (19) ----- Elliott (16)
Reddys article was about how Lemar has went from wanted by Liverpool and Arsenal to Atletico are willing to let him go out on loan as he has done nothing of note for them and he’s gone well of the top teams radars. It at no point said Liverpool were interested in him anymore.
 

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Winks. Ward Prowse. Grealish.

Come on guys, aim higher. You're thinking like Hodgson now. None are remotely good enough play for us.

Curtis Jones is already in a different class with plenty more to come.
Dunno bout that, I think James McArthur would be a solid pickup for us.
 

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That quote came an year back. The manager who said that got fired too.
So? Dardai was their manager for 4 seasons and is Hertha's most capped player in the clubs history. He is very respected at the club, manager change aside. He has definitely seen his fair share of midfielders come through the door at Hertha, so hes opinion should definitely hold weight
 

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@Jaytinho

Have you watched Grujic much this season? What do you think of his mobility and defensive awareness, in terms of being able to stop counter attacks? I haven't seen him much the last couple of years; always liked him on the ball, but the question mark for me has been how he would do in defensive transition for a Klopp team.

Same question about Havertz, by the way. Looks very elegant on the ball, but I haven't watched him more than a couple of games, and haven't paid any attention to that part of his game.
Ive watched him a couple times when I had the chance, he really is strong, his frame is huge for his age yet he seems to be light on his feet when he carries the ball. In terms of work rate? Its hard to tell how he will fair in a Klopp squad but, he is as fast as Fabinho or even Milner so, its like having the ball control of Lallana but with much more steel
 

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So? Dardai was their manager for 4 seasons and is Hertha's most capped player in the clubs history. He is very respected at the club, manager change aside. He has definitely seen his fair share of midfielders come through the door at Hertha, so hes opinion should definitely hold weight
Many things actually. Dardai said this 1 year back. Even at that time Grujic couldn't even get a squad role at LFC. Which means Hertha's best midfielder in last 20 years = not even squad role at LFC. So his opinion while can be taken into consideration, it cant be given much importance.
Further, how much has Grujic improved in this one year. Or has he regressed.
 

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Further, how much has Grujic improved in this one year. Or has he regressed.
I try to catch as many Grujic games as possible online and he has definitely improved immeasurably. He has cut out (most of) the rash tackles and both his reading of the game and his passing have improved.

I would definitely have him back as a midfield option next season.
 

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Just looking at up and coming CB prospects in the top 5 leagues (and the Championship). The criteria I used was the assess our four main CBs on their whoscored.com stats and find a common trend.

>1.0 INT & <1.0 FOUAGETAKINTFOUCLRDBPBLKKEYAVP%LNG
MATIP29.01.71.70.95.31.00.60.170.183.12.9
VAN DIJK28.00.71.10.44.80.20.40.182.588.85.5
LOVREN30.01.31.00.34.60.50.80.168.383.92.9
GOMEZ22.00.91.10.81.50.30.30.357.789.32.3
AVERAGE27.31.21.20.64.10.50.50.269.786.33.4

All of our CBs have >1.0 INT (interception) per game with <1.0 FOU (Fouls committed). Gomez's clearances and passing stats are reduced by his appearances at RB but otherwise he is roughly in line with the others. In terms of passing all our CBs are over 83% completion and average roughly 70 passes per game (Gomez's stats in this area increase when only considered at CB).

Therefore I looked at all the CBs under the age of 25 in Europe who are averaging more than 1.0 interceptions and less than 1.0 fouls per game (they also must be regular starters). There are 55 that match these criteria. At this point I factored in the other stats.

Passing I have tried to be more generous with as few will have the volume of passes we do because of the way we play, and the quality of the team.

Centre back is probably the hardest position to judge on the rudimentary stats provided to the public - a good centre back might not need to tackle, for example - but the idea is the find a list of players that should be scouted further, or that people on the forum will know more about and can fill in some blanks that data cannot.

I decided interceptions and fouls was the best measure as this implies a level of awareness and control in situations that could be missing if going off tackles, for example.

Of the 55 players who hit the first criteria I then narrowed that down by removing players with very poor passing statistics, very high dribbled past ratio and those with foul counts on the high end of the acceptable ratio (unless high "activity", which I have deemed as TAK+INT, makes up for it).

This has left now 25 players across Europe's top five leagues who could potentially be fits in our system. I have listed them in no particular order below. Their transfermarkt.co.uk value is in the comments section (this is unreliable but an interesting measure).

AGETAKINTFOUCLRDBPBLKKEYAVP%LNGCOMMENTS
WHITELEEDS22.01.82.50.93.50.40.70.258.485.03.1GOOD PASSING AND INT RATE. HIGHER FOUL COUNT THAN IDEAL BUT INT RATE IS HIGH. £2.25M.
WEBSTERBRIGHTON25.01.21.60.42.80.60.80.464.285.13.8LOW FOUL RATE WITH GOOD DEFENSIVE ACTION. HIGH PASS VOLUME AND %. £13.5M.
TOMORICHELSEA22.02.01.50.52.50.50.30.564.586.03.3LOW FOUL RATE COMPARED TO HIGH ACTIVITY. GOOD PASSING VOLUME AND %. £18M.
SOYUNCULEICESTER23.01.61.40.95.10.60.70.169.489.82.9WELL ROUNDED. HIGH TACKLE AND INTERCEPTION RATE PER FOUL. GOOD PASSING. £36M.
AKEBOURNEMOUTH24.01.11.40.34.20.20.70.348.589.11.9RARELY FOULS DESPITE GOOD TAK & INT RATE. HARD TO DRIBBLE PAST. WOULD LIKE HIGH PASS VOLUME BUT GOOD PASSING %. £31.5M.
GODFREYNORWICH21.00.91.10.44.80.31.40.053.789.32.9RARELY COMMITS FOULS. TOUGH TO DRIBBLE PAST. GOOD ON THE BALL. VERY YOUNG. £11.7M.
FELIPELAZIO22.01.51.60.62.10.40.70.140.987.92.6PASSING INDICATES SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN STYLE BUT % SHOWS POTENTIAL TO GROW. GOOD DEFENSIVE STATS. £10.8M.
AIDOOCELTA VIGO24.01.41.50.74.30.30.50.146.587.92.8PROMISING PASSING STATS AND GOOD DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY. £7.2M.
GIMENEZATLETICO24.01.41.30.63.40.40.30.041.885.24.0NEEDS TO DEVELOP PASS VOLUME BUT STRONG DEFENSIVE STATS. £63M.
ELVEDIGLADBACH23.01.72.20.63.50.60.40.049.992.21.9NOT AN ENTERPRISING PASSER BUT IS SAFE. HIGH POINTS ON DEFENSIVE STATS. £31.5M.
SCHONLAUPADERBORN25.02.42.10.96.90.80.50.271.589.32.9HIGH DEFENSIVE NUMBERS OFFSET 0.9 FOUL COUNT. VERY STRONG PASSING. £1.35M.
ST JUSTEMAINZ23.02.22.00.83.30.70.80.139.486.22.1EXCELLENT DEFENSIVE ACTIVITY OFFSETS HIGHER FOUL COUNT. PASSING VOLUME IS LOW BUT SHOWS POTENTIAL. £8.1M.
UPAMECANOLEIPZIG21.02.51.50.83.20.80.50.571.788.85.0AGGRESSIVE PASSER WITH HIGH %. HIGH DEFENSIVE OUTPUT PER FOUL. £45M.
REKIKHERTHA BERLIN25.01.41.50.72.70.30.70.148.687.74.3GOOD DEFENSIVE OUTPUT. PASSING GRADE IS OK BUT IN NEED OF HIGHER VOLUME. £10.8M.
LIENHARTFREIBURG23.00.51.50.53.50.30.70.255.384.53.5HIGH NUMBER OF INTERCEPTIONS WITH PROMISING PASSING NUMBERS. £9.9M.
AKANJIDORTMUND24.01.31.10.62.50.50.60.167.191.03.1GOOD ACTIVITY TO FOUL RATE. USED TO HIGH VOLUME PASSING. GOOD %. £31.5M.
SARRNICE20.00.72.00.21.40.50.30.159.690.23.5VERY LOW FOUL RATE WITH HIGH INTERCEPTIONS. VERY GOOD PASSING %. £16.2M.
MUKINAYIMONACO18.01.11.70.82.80.30.70.256.884.93.4DEFENSIVE NUMBERS SHOW POTENTIAL DESPITE RAISED FOUL COUNT. STRONG PASSING STATS. £18M.
PELMARDNICE19.02.21.50.32.60.20.40.058.490.91.5SAFER PASSER BUT HIGH DEFENSIVE NUMBERS WITH LOW FOULS. HARD TO DRIBBLE PAST. £3.6M.
GELINRENNES22.01.11.30.52.80.50.60.240.686.74.2AGGRESSIVE PASSING CB WITH GOOD OUTPUT TO FOUL RATIO. £5.4M.
DIASBENFICA22.01.31.10.62.40.40.40.565.189.75.6ENTERPRISING PASSER WITH OK FOUL COUNT. ROOM TO IMPROVE. £34.2M.
MEULENSTEENWAALWIJK20.01.41.90.43.50.91.50.155.585.24.6GETS DRIBBLED PAST TOO EASILY BUT TAK AND BLK SUGGESTS HAS PACE TO MAKE UP FOR IT. GOOD PASSING. £360K.
VEENDORPEMMEN22.01.91.70.73.70.50.60.151.982.45.5DEFENSIVE OUTPUT IS STRONG. OK PASSER, NEEDS TO IMPROVE HERE. £540K.
BOTMANHEERENVEEN20.01.51.40.55.20.20.60.365.883.83.9SHOWS PROMISE IN BOTH PASSING AND DEFENDING. DOESN'T CONCEDE TOO MANY FOULS. HARD TO DRIBBLE PAST. £1.13M.
DOEKHIVITESSE21.01.21.10.45.30.10.60.254.988.72.2LOW FOUL RATE WITH GOOD ACTIVE DEFENDING STATS. SOLID PASSING NUMBERS. £810K.

My personal favourites are the Nice centre backs Malang Sarr & Andy Pelmard, Adam Webster, Nico Elvedi and Nathan Ake.

Andy Pelmard and Malang Sarr have the added bonus of being extremely young. Dayot Upamecano, Sven Botman and Ben Godfrey are extremely promising also.

Sebastien Schonlau's stats are outstanding but I am unsure if this is simply an unusual season and would need more details.