Who would you buy?

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You can't buy leadership. I was under the impression that Van Dijk, Robbo etc being captains of their respective national teams might provide that across the team, but it's still lacking in the side (PERIOD) when Hendo and Milly aren't there. Milly's goal line clearance, his words before the Bournemouth game - these things matter as much for a sustained multiple title challenges.

They still might come through once Hendo and Milly are gone, and even Trent might be a worthy successor going forward, but what I hope is the players that we get for midfield and forward positions need to be commanding, have those leadership qualities so that we have it across the pitch. Not sure who fits that category along with the skill to play for Jurgen, but it can really influence how we shape up going forward.
 

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I know we’ve got the ‘who would you buy?’ thread, but I thought it would help to think about outgoings too, and specifically what the club should do this summer.
Personally, I reckon...

GK
Sorted unless as reported Adrian really wants to leave. It’d be a surprise because he’s played a lot more than most backup goalies and has contributed to our success.

FB
Looks like Williams will be decent cover for Trent. We still need a specialist backup for Robbo

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Lovren has to go. Youngsters not ready yet. Maybe a Klavan style option as 4th choice.

MF
We still lack creativity. The big question is whether Naby will ever be fit enough to contribute regularly. If not, there’s a gap there.

A
Too much reliance on our big three. We definitely need options in this area. Origi has had his chances, Shaq has been injury prone.

In summary,
In - LB cover, CB, Attacking MF and top class forward.

Out - Lovren, Origi, Shaq, Grujic, Wilson.

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Sorted unless as reported Adrian really wants to leave. It’d be a surprise because he’s played a lot more than most backup goalies and has contributed to our success.
No need for changes as long as Adrian is happy. But he’s had a really good season, and can feel that he has contributed to a league title, so if there are offers to have a final couple of years playing as a starter somewhere he might take it.

FB
Looks like Williams will be decent cover for Trent. We still need a specialist backup for Robbo
More than happy with Neco covering Trent, but before the end of the season, if we have some dead rubbers, I wouldn’t mind seeing how he does at left back. If he could cover both that would be good for us and him.

Otherwise I don’t see a reason to think that Milner couldn’t do another season playing occasionally at full back.

CB
Lovren has to go. Youngsters not ready yet. Maybe a Klavan style option as 4th choice.
Lovren will surely go, but I would only go into the market if Matip is also leaving (and given the injury record of both I don’t think that’s a mad shout). Presuming Matip stays, then going with Fabinho as fourth choice, then Hoever and Sepp.

MF
We still lack creativity. The big question is whether Naby will ever be fit enough to contribute regularly. If not, there’s a gap there.
There are a few midfield questions. The Naby one, Gini’s contract situation, Henderson hitting 30 this summer, Milner no spring chicken.

There is a strong case that if we can get Kai Havertz this Summer, it would be a timely bit of business.

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Too much reliance on our big three. We definitely need options in this area. Origi has had his chances, Shaq has been injury prone.
I can see Shaq (if we can find a buyer) and Origi both leaving, and adding Timo Werner. The front three, Werner and Minamino should be enough

Beyond this I think I think Elliot and Jones are both ready to contribute more, but I think they both suit a 4231 more than a 433.
 
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I think it will be a quiet summer, just like the last one, with a few fringe players leaving, and a few moves for young potential.

Lallana will most likely leave, as his contract hasn't been renewed yet. That will open up more opportunities for Curtis Jones, who looks ready for more games with the first team. Maybe Grujic might be ready to take a place in the squad too, who knows. As for Wilson, I don't know if he's the type of player we need, but I wouldn't rule him out yet. So, that's three players more than ready to take Adam's place.

That's it I think. All other players will stay, unless they express a desire to leave. But so far, we can't know who that might be. It could go from Sadio to Mo to Gini to Lovren to Matip to Shaq to Origi. Who knows? I for one expect us to remain very stable, to bring in a couple of youngsters, and maybe, to replace the odd player who has decided that the pastures are greener elsewhere or wants more playing time.


Now, some extras for this thread: if there was an opportunity to bring in Havertz, I'd consider it, no matter what I wrote above, as he seems a real talent. From the club's perspective, it could make sense if they are able to bring him in for a fair transfer fee. But his reputation is already high, so let's see if Edwards can work his magic on this one.

Otherwise, Werner has been linked to us, but I'd only expect him to come in if a place opens up for him. And I'm not quite sure if he's the kind of player needed at this stage.

In all other positions, we have good depth with the youngsters and squaddies providing it. It's a great position to be in! (y)
 

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Jamal Lewis is the obvious option when Norwich go down. Good athlete, decent going forward, good attitude.

The other options from the premier league would be McNeil from Burnley and Saka. Both have played further forward more than left back but that's not necessarily a bad thing. McNeil is not very realistic but Saka is on a free at the end of the season.

We've had good success with the style of football we've played over the last 24-30 months but I think we'll have to become a bit more adaptable next season with the AFCON and opponents working us out a bit more/our players getting tired, or simply just things going a bit stale. To me, that means a bit more technical quality around the side and playing through the middle more at times. Havertz, Aouar and Buendia are players I like that would add something a bit different.
Would we buy 2 players from Norwich? :) I really like Buendia also I think he’d be fantastic here (a cheaper Havertz/Aouar option).

Good shouts, we were heavily in for that lad from Coventry I think but he went for a huge fee.

I agree, its my view is Klopp will use this summer to tweak his tactics again, we have started to get more and more resistance to our style. I wonder if that would be a move back to the 4231 he favoured heavily at Dortmund, as that puts more of the onus for creativity on a no.10 rather than the fullbacks.

He may simply not be able to find another Henderson also, the demands on our current style on the midfield seems to be telling a bit, and once that engine starts to lose even half a step we seem to struggle.
 

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Would like both Werner and Havertz but think we'll more likely be looking to replace numbers rather than add them.With that in mind i think Origi,Shaq,Lallana and possibly Lovren will be moving on from the senior squad players we've used this season.
Minamino is already in for Shaq,Jones is moving up the ranks to replace Lallana,so someone like Werner could be brought in for Origi.Lovren could well be left in place for 1 more season to give Hoever or van den Berg time to make that step up to a point where we can really rely on them.

Looking forward to seeing more of Jones and Elliott next season,both stars in the making.
 

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I wonder if that would be a move back to the 4231 he favoured heavily at Dortmund, as that puts more of the onus for creativity on a no.10 rather than the fullbacks.
Klopp actually spoke before when Coutinho was here (and he either played on the left or slightly deeper in a midfield 3) that the #10 position in a 4-2-3-1 is arguably the most demanding, at least from his perspective (but also elsewhere). I'm not convinced we're preparing a big move for Havertz. More like continue more or less like this, but add 2-3 things so we can rotate a bit more.
 

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What departures do people expect this summer? I think who we will buy will largely be motivated by this. A few considerations will be things like the loan rules changing and players having won everything with us maybe considering things to be harder here than they could be elsewhere.

Almost Guaranteed; Karius, Clyne, Lallana, Awoniyi, Ejaria, Ojo.

Possible (likely?); Lonergan, Lovren, Shaqiri.

Possible (50/50); Matip (injury record, might sell whilst we can), Grujic, Milner, Wijnaldum (contract situation), Wlison, Origi.

Possible (unlikely!); Keita, Mane, Salah.

If we only lose the "almost guaranteed" and "possible (likely?)" I don't think anyone needs bringing in as it would mean retaining Grujic and Wilson who would fill any holes. If we lose those players and Grujic and Wilson we could probably still cope just putting more on the youth players. Matip, Milner (more for full back cover), Wijnaldum and Origi would all definitely need replacements buying though. In the case of Origi it should really be an upgrade as well, but any of those replacements would need to be good players. If any of the "possible (unlikely)" are to depart then we really need the absolute best of the best replacing them!

My choices on replacements are;

Matip; Tah or Upamecano.
Milner; Alphonso Davies or Marc Cucurella.
Wijnaldum; Danilo Perreira or (to play as a DM) Nathan Ake.
Origi (the only role in the squad I believe we need an actual upgrade); Jadon Sancho or (fuck it) Kylian Mbappe.
Keita; Kai Havertz or Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.
Mane/Salah; Mbappe, nothing short of him would adequately replace one of those two leaving.
 

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My expected departures:

Lonergan, Karius, Awoniyi, Clyne, Lallana, Chirivella, Ejaria, Ojo, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic

Likely departures:

Lovren, Origi, Phillips, Grabara

Possible:

Adrian, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Salah

Unlikely:

The rest

I'd be looking at:

GK: Don't know - would like to keep Adrian for another year

LB: Philipp Max or Jamal Lewis. Back in for Guerreiro possibly? Saka as a long-shot?

CB: Don't know. Tah, Upamecano, Akanji...Issa Diop might be a (relatively) cheap option if West Ham go down.

DM/CM: Partey, Rice, McGinn, Ndidi

CM/AM: Easy. Havertz. Other options might include Goretzka, Buendia, Jonathan David, that Rudisha (sp?) bloke...

AM/Wide: Sancho, McNeil, Chukwueze, Neres, Traore?

Versatile Forward: (Sancho), Mbappé, Werner

I don't know enough about all the players we've been linked with really. I'm not a fan of the Cantwell links though.

Assuming we don't lose any current first team starters I'd be looking to add Max, Havertz, and Sancho. That could be about £200m of spending (probably around £120m net).

If we sold either Matip or Lovren I'd be interested in Diop.

If we sold Fabinho or Wijnaldum I'd be in for Partey.

If we sold Salah I'd want Mbappé.
 

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I wonder if Klopp will sign a replacement for Lovren and then sell Matip next year as well, with fourth choice being Fabinho or some youth player. Ironically, something similar could happen with Shaqiri and Origi, I can see a few parallels there.
 

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There's a 0% chance we lose Milner imho, after his recent contract extention and Klopp's comments about his importance to the team.
For me he fits into the category of: "players having won everything with us maybe considering things to be harder here than they could be elsewhere."

With two specific notes, 1st the harder here bit is purely down to his age and 2nd the elsewhere would be specific to a move to Leeds so he can end his career there if they come up (likely). He certainly wouldn't be someone we would want to lose but if he asked Klopp for that I think Klopp would do anything he could to make it happen whilst making sure James knew there was a coaching role waiting for him here if he ever wanted it.
 

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From the first team squad I expect Lallana and Shaqiri to leave. Maybe also Lovren. I think both Shaq and Dejan will look for more regular games, although I think the latter is a Bosman player next summer (?). If so, there's a chance he sees out his contract.

Origi is one I'm unsure of. Maybe it depends on how this season turned out relatively to his expectations. If we're looking for another attacker, maybe he thinks it affects his game time negatively and therefore wants to leave. But I also won't be surprised if he chooses to stay.

Beyond that I think the rest stay.

As for fringe/loan players, Clyne will go and I think we cash in on Wilson. Karius as well. Grujic I'm not sure of; I think it would be a shame to let him go without giving him a season, so I hope he stays. But if I had to bet on it, I'd say he'll be sold.
 

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For me he fits into the category of: "players having won everything with us maybe considering things to be harder here than they could be elsewhere."

With two specific notes, 1st the harder here bit is purely down to his age and 2nd the elsewhere would be specific to a move to Leeds so he can end his career there if they come up (likely). He certainly wouldn't be someone we would want to lose but if he asked Klopp for that I think Klopp would do anything he could to make it happen whilst making sure James knew there was a coaching role waiting for him here if he ever wanted it.
Milner has to transition to coaching in some capacity here. He's an exemplary personality.

I think he wants to also - He stayed back to work with the U23's for the cup game for example.
 

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Havertz always gets touted as a midfielder but he played centre forward against Eintracht Frankfurt a few days ago and was exceptional. He's also played on the right for Leverkusen a fair bit.

I didn't realise how quick he was until I saw him the other day. He's rapid. He has it all to be a top forward as well as a top midfielder, and for that reason I would make him a target ahead of almost anybody else.
 

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Milner has to transition to coaching in some capacity here. He's an exemplary personality.

I think he wants to also - He stayed back to work with the U23's for the cup game for example.
Yeah but it's not like that gets taken off the table if he spends a season or two at Leeds, going back to where his career started to end it and helping them survive that first season or two back in the league.... hell that's one hell of an emotional pull. The coaching side would still be here afterwards, he has earned it and deserves to be able to take it on when he is ready not be forced into it when hes no longer good enough for us but still good enough to play elsewhere.
 

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For me he fits into the category of: "players having won everything with us maybe considering things to be harder here than they could be elsewhere."

With two specific notes, 1st the harder here bit is purely down to his age and 2nd the elsewhere would be specific to a move to Leeds so he can end his career there if they come up (likely). He certainly wouldn't be someone we would want to lose but if he asked Klopp for that I think Klopp would do anything he could to make it happen whilst making sure James knew there was a coaching role waiting for him here if he ever wanted it.
Right, except I don't see why a player with one eye on doing that would have recently signed a contract extension.

Barry is still playing football aged 39, no reason why Milner would be thinking about retiring anytime soon, could easily see him fulfilling that contract with us before looking around for somewhere to wind down his career at.
 

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Right, except I don't see why a player with one eye on doing that would have recently signed a contract extension.

Barry is still playing football aged 39, no reason why Milner would be thinking about retiring anytime soon, could easily see him fulfilling that contract with us before looking around for somewhere to wind down his career at.
Stability? Guaranteed wages for 2 years if anything does happen? Just because he is under contract for 2 more years doesn't mean he can't move or may even have clauses written in under specific conditions which allow him to move. Going to Leeds to help them survive promotion is pretty much the only situation I see him wanting to move on and Klopp could well let that happen for cheap/free even if he is under another 2 years contract. I only see it as a possibility as Leeds are almost certainly coming up and we are almost certainly about to win the League meaning he will have no unfinished business here.
 

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Yeah but it's not like that gets taken off the table if he spends a season or two at Leeds, going back to where his career started to end it and helping them survive that first season or two back in the league.... hell that's one hell of an emotional pull. The coaching side would still be here afterwards, he has earned it and deserves to be able to take it on when he is ready not be forced into it when hes no longer good enough for us but still good enough to play elsewhere.
It makes it unlikely, my point was he starts to pick up more and more responsibility the lesser his gametime reduces.

He may wish to continue playing though, so I'm being selfish wanting him to coach ahead of that.
 

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My expected departures:

Lonergan, Karius, Awoniyi, Clyne, Lallana, Chirivella, Ejaria, Ojo, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic

Likely departures:

Lovren, Origi, Phillips, Grabara

Possible:

Adrian, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Salah

Unlikely:

The rest
I know he has not been great since coming back from injury but you think there is a chance we could sell Fabinho in the summer?

Don't think Milner, Gini or Keita are going anywhere either.
 

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I know he has not been great since coming back from injury but you think there is a chance we could sell Fabinho in the summer?

Don't think Milner, Gini or Keita are going anywhere either.
No, I think it's only likely if we were to sign someone like Partey. I don't think Fabinho leaves otherwise. Gini is similarly dependent on who we might bring in. I agree on Milner and Keita that I don't see them going anywhere.
 

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Can see Karius, Clyne, Lovren, Shaqiri, Wilson, Lallana and Origi all departing in the summer.

Three of those are either on loan or injured so technically don’t need replacing.

The other do need replacing as well as LB cover.

Could Havertz be a replacement for Lallana, Shaqiri and Origi? I know it’s only one player in for three out but would also allow more first team game time for Elliott and Jones.
 

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Manure are looking to get Jude Bellingham from Birmingham, from the clips I have seen he looks a player and would be a great future midfielder for us.
 

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Can see Karius, Clyne, Lovren, Shaqiri, Wilson, Lallana and Origi all departing in the summer.
Problem is Clyne Wilson and Lallana come under the local/homegrown players category and our squad size will be restricted if we do not have enough of them next season. So we probably do need to do some UK hires and those come with a premium. I can see Wilson sticking on if only to make the numbers.
 

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Problem is Clyne Wilson and Lallana come under the local/homegrown players category and our squad size will be restricted if we do not have enough of them next season. So we probably do need to do some UK hires and those come with a premium. I can see Wilson sticking on if only to make the numbers.
I don't think we use the full 25 senior spots anyway, Klopp likes a close knit unit. The real limitations really 17 senior foreign developed players anyway and we don't get to that.
 

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For domestic squad lists players who can count towards the 8 spots reserved for senior players developed by an English or Welsh side for 3 seasons before they turn 21;

Caoimhin Kelleher (?), Shamal George, Nathaniel Phillips, Joe Gomez, Trent Alexander-Arnold (?), Isaac Christie-Davies, Jordan Henderson, Herbie Kane (?), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ovie Ejaria, Harry Wilson, James Milner, Sheyi Ojo, Taiwo Awoniyi. (14). (This is next years squad so people out of contract not shown). Ones with question marks next to their name I'm really not sure who shows as senior when, think they have to be 21 by 1st Jan this year. But it could be 21 or under on 1st of January which means they are all "under 21s" for another season.

Two foreseeable complications.

1st for European competition 4 of the 8 reserved spots are further reserved for "club developed" players, I may be wrong but I think the rule on that is 3 full seasons at the club in question before they turn 21. That limits us to;

Caoimhin Kelleher, Shamal George, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Herbie Kane, Ovie Ejaria, Harry Wilson, Sheyi Ojo and Taiwo Awoniyi. I can't see 4 of these 8 with us next season so we won't be able to list 25 players on our A list for Europe anyway.

2nd there are new rules about how many players we can have out on development loans coming in meaning it will be harder to keep ownership of so many players.

With senior foreign developed players I don't think we will have 17 next season, we are currently looking at;

Alisson, Adrian, Karius, Virgil Van Dijk, Joel Matip, Dejan Lovren, Andy Robertson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita, Grujic, Mane, Shaqiri, Salah, Minamino, Firmino, Origi. So 17 maximum but with possible/probable departures for any of Karius, Lovren, Grujic, Shaqiri and Origi there should be room if we wanted to add one or two.