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Do we think this little recent turn down in form is going to alter Klopp's plans for the summer. If you looked at the bench today you knew unless injuries happened 4 off them were never getting on.
 

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i think the champions league games (Napoli and esp 1st leg against Atletico) has shown us our weaknesses, even in the EPL we have won many games through moments of luck or set pieces

Basically against us, sit back and crowd the middle, wait for the counter and play the initial few balls with pace to pass our midfield counterpress. We need personnel to be able to switch things up a little against park the bus teams.

We need:
1) a forward with good close control, and change of pace. DIfferent style from Mane and Salah, who likes to cut infield (which hardly works against packed defences). A Leeroy Sane type who just goes to the byline and fizzes balls in and around the penalty area will be nice

2) guys to link up midfield and front 3. After watching so many games, I conclude our attacking plan to be consisting of 3 steps - pass to robertson / TAA and get a cross in, pass to salah/mane and let them work something out, or set piece. I rarely see any link up give and goes, mini triangles with dummies and stuff to manufacture a little space for our forwards. Our midfield at times seem a little too far away from the front 3 for my liking. Would like a david silva type (not sure minamino makes the cut yet)

FOr a minimum we need Werner for sure, and probably another forward.
Does Werner properly meet either of these criteria?

He seems to be the type that gets on to the end of a well timed pass from midfield, burns his defender off and clinically finishes. I'm not saying that's all he's capable of because he's obviously an excellent player, but that seems to be his main strength/how he scores a majority of his goals. I'm not sure that helps us too much in that first leg against Atletico or against Watford for example. It'd certainly be a luxury to have though, especially given how many chances we spurned tonight.

It's not my money so I can be as profligate as I like and despite arguing against it in the past, I do see myself leaning towards making one high quality signing, namely Havertz, Aouar or possibly Sancho (super unlikely tbf). That could well be purely recency bias in light of our recent dip in form of course, but I think any of the above players add another dimension to our attack next season and give our opposition an additional headache.
 

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Our club is always on a look-out for good and reasonable deals for backup players and is willing to break world records to sign world-class starters.

To start off, let's see which positions are well-stocked with acceptable quality, needs back-up urgently,needs back-up urgently if there are likely departures, needs back-up in the near future.

Well-stocked with acceptable quality : GK, RB ( with Neco Williams), LW( with Minamino taking a familiar position to settle in), CM (with a returning Grujic)
Needs Back-up urgently now : LB, RW, CF
Needs Back-up urgently if there are likely departures : CB,CM
Needs back-up in the next 3 years: CM

To settle the urgent needs, I have the below suggestions.

For LB: We can try Jamal Lewis on the cheap should Norwich go down.
For RW: Elliot seems a bit too raw and Salah will be away on AFCON. Emi Buendia will be alright as a cheap back-up if there is a relegation escape clause for Buendia to Salah as both players like to go narrow or in the right hand side channels.
For CF, We don't play a classic CF during our play. We actually play with a False 9 which means Kai Havertz will be the perfect foil for our wingers should Firmino need a break ( like now)

If there are likely departures at CB due to Lovren leaving , if Bournemouth goes down and players are leaving due to an escape clause, we should give Ake the exact same contract that lovren has right now.

For our CM position, we will be ok if it is just Lallana who leaves. If Milner also leaves for his boyhood team, We will probably need to add another player in as Curtis Jones needs to play more frequently at a club to develop himself. Depending on who goes down, It could be Declan Rice who will make our midfield more secure in the long future after Henderson grows older/injured or it could be Jack Grealish to rotate with Keita ( if he's not taking Lallana's place in the treatment room) or AOC( just purely out of tactical reasons).

Highly Likely permanent departures : Lovren, Shaqiri, Wilson, Clyne, Lallana,Ojo,Karius
Likely departures : Milner, Origi
Possible additions : Lewis, Buendia, Kai Havertz, Ake, Rice/Grealish.
Why do you say Minamino for LW meaning LW is covered and CF needed? He plays nothing like Mane and a lot more like Firmino. So far he has had 3 starts and 4 sub appearances, one sub was for an injured player so he played where that injured player was but nearly all his other appearances have been for a rested Firmino or sub for Firmino coming off. All his starts where 9/false 9 and 2 of his subs he replaced Firmino. Before he came here he used to play any of about 4/5 positions in equal measure so not sure why LW would be familiar for him.
 

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Do we think this little recent turn down in form is going to alter Klopp's plans for the summer. If you looked at the bench today you knew unless injuries happened 4 off them were never getting on.
No if anything (I hope anyway) it will tip the balance to him overpaying for a Havertz or Sancho. We need geniune rotation options for our front 3. Origi came on last night and did nothing, a few cult goals aside he offers little to this team.
 

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I guess last night confirmed to me anyway that the squad does need a few tweaks. It's one of these things that always needs to evolve and it appears to have peaked a bit so a little tweak here and there to push that standard to a new level and keep it there
 

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No if anything (I hope anyway) it will tip the balance to him overpaying for a Havertz or Sancho. We need geniune rotation options for our front 3. Origi came on last night and did nothing, a few cult goals aside he offers little to this team.
He had an uncharacteristically high conversion rate last season as opposed to his career to date. Even then 2 of his goals came purely because he kept his head and did the simple, correct, thing when he made himself be the guy who was in the right place at the right time (Everton and Barca) which shouldn't be sniffed at, but you can't make a career out of scoring goals due to keeper error or defences caught napping. He seems a great guy but he doesn't help our play that much. Hes been under Klopp for awhile if he was going to develop into a useful player (to us) I think it would have happened by now. He can be a really decent player at a reasonable level elsewhere still
 

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He had an uncharacteristically high conversion rate last season as opposed to his career to date. Even then 2 of his goals came purely because he kept his head and did the simple, correct, thing when he made himself be the guy who was in the right place at the right time (Everton and Barca) which shouldn't be sniffed at, but you can't make a career out of scoring goals due to keeper error or defences caught napping. He seems a great guy but he doesn't help our play that much. Hes been under Klopp for awhile if he was going to develop into a useful player (to us) I think it would have happened by now. He can be a really decent player at a reasonable level elsewhere still
Yep I agree, I think the reason our midfield for the most part is so good and plays at such a high consistency level is because they know 1 drop off in quality there is someone there to come in and they may not get their place back until an injury.

Our front 3 look at Origi and will know even if they are playing utterly terribly Klopp will keep them on in the hope they do 1 decent thing ahead of him.. We need them to worry they will lose their place, they need to be kept keen. It's the next evolution of this team.
 

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I guess last night confirmed to me anyway that the squad does need a few tweaks. It's one of these things that always needs to evolve and it appears to have peaked a bit so a little tweak here and there to push that standard to a new level and keep it there
I thought we were very good last night especially against a team with a low block which we have struggled against for a while. I think we do need another attacker who has close control and can create chances in tight spaces and we also need better quality on the bench.
 

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I thought we were very good last night especially against a team with a low block which we have struggled against for a while. I think we do need another attacker who has close control and can create chances in tight spaces and we also need better quality on the bench.
Similar lines to my thinking. Create a deeper squad but also give ourselves some tactical flexibility.

Plus we must remember that teams are getting used to playing against our front 3 so it's only normal to expect team to get better against them. So again someone that shakes the apple cart a little could do us the world of good.

Plus I'm always a sucker for strengthening your midfield. And any way we can do that is again welcome in my book.
 

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I think Werner would do nicely on ability but not sure he is a Klopp style player. Talks publicly to much and some things he has said make me doubt his character a bit. Havertz looks good but will be a lot of money . This should not be a problem these days but I still get the feeling we will be a bit careful with the cash.
There are a lot of talented players out there and I think our recruitment team should be able to find a couple of good signings. Sadly the MF I liked has gone to MU. but there are others of similar ability .
 

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I would buy the Atletico CB Felipe. Would be a nice 3rd choice.

1st choice partnership big Virg and Gomez.

Next in line Felipe and then backed up with the injury prone Matip.

Lovren can go to the nearest charity shop.
 

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A target I've suggested, can play as a Left Back but most teams would see him as a more traditional wide midfielder/winger so I think he'd match Klopps full back role reasonably well. Could also play further forward, left footer so would probably be an emergency option right forward or "something different" to stay wider on the left and cut in less. So three positions could get plenty of playing time as a squad player. Good footballing education with coming from the Barca academy, could step up to be more than just a squad player and if not young enough that maybe around 3 years as a squad player here could appeal as then he could move elsewhere as a starter.

 

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Anyone with a good view of Jude Bellingham? 16 and attracting bids of reportedly 30mil with likes of Dortmund and Manure interested. Really that good? Would he be in the mould of Dele Ali or our own Gini or way better?
 

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Anyone with a good view of Jude Bellingham? 16 and attracting bids of reportedly 30mil with likes of Dortmund and Manure interested. Really that good? Would he be in the mould of Dele Ali or our own Gini or way better?
Looks an impressive player, but I doubt we'll pay that for him.
 

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It’s impossible to say what Bellingham will go on to be. The difficulty is he might not get the minutes here to fulfil his potential. Dortmund would be a great option for him. Or, we could buy, but we would need to work out how he could play, which would likely be a combo of learning his trade here, plus judicious loans.

As Dortmund continue to improve, their ability to play players like Bellingham will diminish too, as the demands at the top mean you can give as many minutes to kids. In a sense they will become victims of their own success.
 

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Looks an impressive player, but I doubt we'll pay that for him.
Yeah he probably will insist on playing a certain number of first team matches to go to any team. And in that sense, Dortmund or even Manure who is desperate to just throw in any player, would be a better fit.
 

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A target I've suggested, can play as a Left Back but most teams would see him as a more traditional wide midfielder/winger so I think he'd match Klopps full back role reasonably well. Could also play further forward, left footer so would probably be an emergency option right forward or "something different" to stay wider on the left and cut in less. So three positions could get plenty of playing time as a squad player. Good footballing education with coming from the Barca academy, could step up to be more than just a squad player and if not young enough that maybe around 3 years as a squad player here could appeal as then he could move elsewhere as a starter.

Interesting player, looks to be able to play in 2-3 positions, but need to see more of him. I had Raphael Guerreiro in mind when he had something like a year left on his Dortmund deal. But that one has sailed. Who knows what's Marc's contract and clauses like, that was already a little mess last summer. Might go back to Barca (or they make a profit on him) or something. Funny I saw a game of Getafe in the league not long ago and they had Allan Nyom(!) and Cucurella as wingers in a 4-4-2! Fantastic season they're having, I've seen somewhere that they're best placed in big European leagues considering their budget and how little they spent & league position.
 

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Interesting player, looks to be able to play in 2-3 positions, but need to see more of him. I had Raphael Guerreiro in mind when he had something like a year left on his Dortmund deal. But that one has sailed. Who knows what's Marc's contract and clauses like, that was already a little mess last summer. Might go back to Barca (or they make a profit on him) or something. Funny I saw a game of Getafe in the league not long ago and they had Allan Nyom(!) and Cucurella as wingers in a 4-4-2! Fantastic season they're having, I've seen somewhere that they're best placed in big European leagues considering their budget and how little they spent & league position.
Apparently Getafe have a clause in the loan to buy him at €6 million with a €25 million release clause in that contract. I think Getafe are definitely planning on activating the clause even though it'll likely just be to sell him on at a massive profit to someone else within that same window. Some of the clubs circling would potentially be looking at him as a potential starter though, unclear what Chelsea's plan would be.
 

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It's quite interesting to look at what is going on at Getafe as it seems very much a Klopp style team ethic and group effort to make a group greater than the sum of its parts. Some of their players seem they would be good fits, mentality wise, for a Klopp team.


Cucurella is the outfield player used the most and second highest rated by whoscored if that means anything.


From what very little I've seen he certainly looks like he could play LB in a similar way to Robertson. Some pace, tenacity, bit of defensive awareness/capability but with some decent link up passing and crosses/through balls into the box.


Anyone who watches La Liga a fair bit willing to give an opinion?
 

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I was not to sure about Werner but now feel we need him badly. If he goes to MU the combination of him and Fernandez will make them a very strong attacking team. We definitely need a 4th good attacker and he fits the bill. Playing 3 up front with only 3 quality strikers is not good. An injury or a suspension or the Afcon and we are struggling.
From what little I have seen I think Cucurella would be a very good addition .Looks very competitive and would push Robbo and maybe even be better. Also good cover for LMF. Would cost about 20 mill but worth it IMO.
 

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I was not to sure about Werner but now feel we need him badly. If he goes to MU the combination of him and Fernandez will make them a very strong attacking team. We definitely need a 4th good attacker and he fits the bill. Playing 3 up front with only 3 quality strikers is not good. An injury or a suspension or the Afcon and we are struggling.
From what little I have seen I think Cucurella would be a very good addition .Looks very competitive and would push Robbo and maybe even be better. Also good cover for LMF. Would cost about 20 mill but worth it IMO.
Agree with everything else in your post but still remain unconvinced on Werner. Maybe he will be good enough, it seems he could be a young, German Vardy? Just I'm feeling we could bring in better. 4 top, top, top players with no drop off in quality (or very little) across 3 positions would easily all play enough across the amount of games we have before taking into account the issues you raise.