Who would you buy?

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City's problem is quality, ours is fragility. Both equate to not having the options you might need.

If it's selling Lovren and buying Thiago then sure, makes some sense. But are we really expecting to buy a player of that quality for an already pretty stacked central midfield? I suspect not.
If you can have the midfielders fill in elsewhere, why not? If signing Thiago allows Fab to cover if necessary, that's a pretty great solution to the problem.

There were similar discussions when we bought Salah. Many thought we should be buying a left winger to complement Mane instead. Obviously the wrong way to look at it given Salah was far superior to the other options available.

If the player is of sufficient quality and there's scope to move others around, it's worth doing.
 

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And whether we like it or not, players have positions in that they're better suited for. Ox is awful out wide, Origi is pretty poor through the middle. We lose an attacking edge with Milner at left back. Sometimes a player deemed to be not as good a player as those guys would be a better option in those positions because they're more naturally suited to those roles.
Origi and Chamberlain have been poor this season no matter where they have played.

You can count on one hand the amount of left backs in the past 20 years we've had that are better than Milner. Probably 3.

This team is littered with players who've changed positions. Firmino isn't a number 9. Henderson couldn't play as the 6. Mane was a right winger. Milner couldn't play left back. Lallana and Wijnaldum weren't midfielders. Trent is a midfielder not a right back. Chamberlain wasn't a midfielder when we signed him.

We heard them all. Square pegs in round holes the lot of them. I don't know why there is so much resistance to players changing positions.
 

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There's loads of merit in having fewer players and using them in multiple positions.

Definitely something I'm in favour of. Would rather play Fabinho at CB and Jones/Keita in midfield than buying another Klavan, for example. And I was more than happy for Milner to push Moreno onto the bench.

Think people can be a bit too binary and rigid in their thinking of who needs buying and who can play where. When it gets to the stage that people want Jamal Lewis to come in ahead of Thiago Alcantara I think it gets more than a little bit silly.
That's an interesting point of view. I've always been in favour of bigger squads because my world view was seriously affected by that doomed title race in 2008/09, where Man United's superior bench saw them through some difficult games that Liverpool would ultimately draw.

That said, while I'm not in for another Klavan, whenever possible, I'd love to see club continuing to acquire some of the best kids out there and see them get the chance to train with the likes of Van Dijk, Robertson, Henderson, Firmino, improve and thus stake their claim to be their heirs one day. I wouldn't be surprised if that was already the case with Alexander-Arnold, Jones and Williams (and hopefully Elliott and some more), and that's why I wanted Liverpool to sign Saka (who will likely become a right winger now, rather than a left back).

Having jacks of all trades is a must, though, I love players like Milner and Wijnaldum, it's just that some sort of balance needs to be struck as you'd lose cover in, say, three roles if such a player gets injured. One would think I'm a pessimist, eh...
 

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That's an interesting point of view. I've always been in favour of bigger squads because my world view was seriously affected by that doomed title race in 2008/09, where Man United's superior bench saw them through some difficult games that Liverpool would ultimately draw.

That said, while I'm not in for another Klavan, whenever possible, I'd love to see club continuing to acquire some of the best kids out there and see them get the chance to train with the likes of Van Dijk, Robertson, Henderson, Firmino, improve and thus stake their claim to be their heirs one day. I wouldn't be surprised if that was already the case with Alexander-Arnold, Jones and Williams (and hopefully Elliott and some more), and that's why I wanted Liverpool to sign Saka (who will likely become a right winger now, rather than a left back).

Having jacks of all trades is a must, though, I love players like Milner and Wijnaldum, it's just that some sort of balance needs to be struck as you'd lose cover in, say, three roles if such a player gets injured. One would think I'm a pessimist, eh...
08/09 was really barebones though Nik, I don't think anyone wants a return to that. It's just not realistic to have two quality specialists in every position though like a lot of people seem to want.

Even City in their best season, with all their money, had Fabian Delph at left back.
 

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Young Japanese players work really hard on developing technique. Not surprised at some of the talent coming out from there. I expect we'll continue to see more break through into the bigger leagues.
I thought this was off limits now......
 

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City's problem is quality, ours is fragility. Both equate to not having the options you might need.

If it's selling Lovren and buying Thiago then sure, makes some sense. But are we really expecting to buy a player of that quality for an already pretty stacked central midfield? I suspect not.

And whether we like it or not, players have positions in that they're better suited for. Ox is awful out wide, Origi is pretty poor through the middle. We lose an attacking edge with Milner at left back. Sometimes a player deemed to be not as good a player as those guys would be a better option in those positions because they're more naturally suited to those roles.
How can it be a pretty stacked midfield if we can't afford to let Fabinho be our 4th choice CB though?

You're right it is a stacked midfield, one of the only options we could fit into it that would improve it without losing anything is someone like Thiago who is one of the best CMs/DMs/deep lying playmakers on the planet.

But whether or not we add Thiago or Grujic comes back from loan or Milner is available more in CM with Williams covering LB a bit we would still be strong with depth in CM. In fact the number 6 role is our best covered in the squad as we only field one but have two players who operate at the top level at it in Fabinho and Henderson, Wijnaldum is better in it than a lot of teams starters too.

You also seem to refuse to admit this wouldn't be trying something new, Fabinho already seems to be 5th in the pecking order and has been top class when used there. Its possible, depending on injuries and games given to Hoever etc for development, that even being 4th choice CB Fabinho still may never actually get to play there next season.
 

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How can it be a pretty stacked midfield if we can't afford to let Fabinho be our 4th choice CB though?

You're right it is a stacked midfield, one of the only options we could fit into it that would improve it without losing anything is someone like Thiago who is one of the best CMs/DMs/deep lying playmakers on the planet.

But whether or not we add Thiago or Grujic comes back from loan or Milner is available more in CM with Williams covering LB a bit we would still be strong with depth in CM. In fact the number 6 role is our best covered in the squad as we only field one but have two players who operate at the top level at it in Fabinho and Henderson, Wijnaldum is better in it than a lot of teams starters too.

You also seem to refuse to admit this wouldn't be trying something new, Fabinho already seems to be 5th in the pecking order and has been top class when used there. Its possible, depending on injuries and games given to Hoever etc for development, that even being 4th choice CB Fabinho still may never actually get to play there next season.
If anything, you're refusing to accept that he's played less than a handful of games in his career at centre back and potentially having him as our fourth choice option when Matip will miss half the season is incredibly risky. You remove our best shield from in front of the back four whilst also having someone play out of position in the centre of defence.

Looks like Lovren could be on the move so I guess we'll get to see what Klopp is thinking on this one.
 

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93rd minute at 1-1
Firmino still has to track back to get the ball from the center of the pitch. Still no real #9 on the pitch who could make something happen out of nothing.
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Describe the positions of M. Salah and S. Mané at this moment. Then check their goalscoring records.

Then tell me why it matters whether our CF is a primary goal threat.
 

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08/09 was really barebones though Nik, I don't think anyone wants a return to that. It's just not realistic to have two quality specialists in every position though like a lot of people seem to want.

Even City in their best season, with all their money, had Fabian Delph at left back.
Yeah, and Man City aren't doing anything to help dispel that notion with all of their spending. At one point, their attack consisted of Sterling, Aguero and Bernardo Silva, with Sane, Jesus and Mahrez as their backups. That's unreal level of depth and spending.

I think it's possible to achieve a level of depth that is close to having two players for each position but in my head, it includes quite a few young players. I can't express just how proud I am of Klopp giving chances to these kids and giving his best to help them become important players for Liverpool. Also, basically only Alisson and back line minus Gomez have never played another position/role for Liverpool at senior level.

With these in mind, looking at the bench, I think Liverpool are quite close to achieving that level of depth but it still includes one or two additions (depending on outgoings). You can't account for serious injuries happening to players but relying on Gomez, Matip and Lovren is tempting fate, in my opinion.
 

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What do you think about Said Benrahma 23 years old from Brentford he is scoring every game and at 30M ish?
Never heard of him, sorry! But good to find out about new players coming through.
 

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What do you think about Said Benrahma 23 years old from Brentford he is scoring every game and at 30M ish?
I don’t get to see any Brentford matches but I’ve seen quite a bit written about Benrahma. Seems he’s been turning a quite a few heads (including Chelsea, surprise surprise) and gaining some attention. On one hand Brentford is going to need him if they’re promoted but on the other there could be interest from multiple places.

@GermanRed I am with you on Memphis. Lockstep. I am a MASSIVE fan, check my posting history. I was thinking there was a chance we were bringing him in last Summer. And if you look closely at the pics from our boys flight back home from winning Champs League, Big Virg had Memphis’s book on his lap so I was doubly convinced we were signing him. He just makes too much sense, and even more so this summer. Can provide cover for multiple positions, is still a clinical striking threat, can also unlock compact formations with his ball handling, can shoot from range, and wouldn’t be as heavily relied on with minutes, which would give his body a break. Plus, he’s really tight with Gini. His ego is still there but if there’s ANY situation in the world that would see him flourish, it’s here.
 

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@GermanRed I am with you on Memphis. Lockstep. I am a MASSIVE fan, check my posting history. I was thinking there was a chance we were bringing him in last Summer. And if you look closely at the pics from our boys flight back home from winning Champs League, Big Virg had Memphis’s book on his lap so I was doubly convinced we were signing him. He just makes too much sense, and even more so this summer. Can provide cover for multiple positions, is still a clinical striking threat, can also unlock compact formations with his ball handling, can shoot from range, and wouldn’t be as heavily relied on with minutes, which would give his body a break. Plus, he’s really tight with Gini. His ego is still there but if there’s ANY situation in the world that would see him flourish, it’s here.
Best friends goals incoming - Gini and Depay double contract signing :cool:

Jokes aside - wrote before that without a new signing we will again challenge for the PL title or the CL but if we upgrade on Origi - for example with someone like Depay (proven goalscorer tag) - we will be able to challenge for both titles plus the domestic cups.
 

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Since the restart and the rotation I think it is fair to say past our starting 11 and maybe 1 or 2 others none of our subs would get anywhere near the starting 11 of probably the top 6 teams. Maybe even lower down the table than that.
 

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I get that they have all played their part, big personalities in the dressing room but they have to be able to do it on the pitch.

outside our strongest 11, who has come in and impressed?

since the restart I’d say Curtis Jones, Neco Williams.... ifour strongest midfield 3 is Hendo, Fab and Gini you can say that Naby has come in and done well.

that’s about it.

Lovren was shocking v Everton when he came on, noticeable drop. It hasn’t worked out with Ox since the restart and Minamino hasn’t settled - Although still way too early to judge him. Fuck knows what’s happening with Shaq, Klopp don’t seem to fancy him since his long lay offs with injuries. Origi is an
Icon and a fan favourite. Some huge goals last season but he will only ever be a sub in this squad
- When Brewster returns from Swansea he should be used over Origi imo

think we need some reinforcements in the summer.
 

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- Jamal Lewis as a LB backup
- Nathan Ake to fill Lovren boots
- Emiliano Buendia as the new Lallana :)
 

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How about selling Lovren to Zenit and getting Malcolm on a season loan with an option to buy at a specific price? Not saying he is a great player but he was supposedly very special before moving to Barcelona causing a huge issue of course agreeing with Roma before leaving for Barca. Then for various issues left Barca for Zenit. Might be a stop gap low cost solution for current situation. Not sure how good he has been but just putting this out as a creative solution perhaps?
 

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I see Curtis Jones as a Shaquiri replacement, or something little swiss ment to be. Jones has much more potential.
Buendia is more Lallana type of player, he created 79 chances this season, with very limited squad around him. Cantwell is only one year younger than argentinian and nowhere near his quality.
 

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There's so many players with an uncertain future. Adrian, Lovren, Shaqiri, Origi, Wilson, Grujic. If they aren't compatible with our future plans, they need to be sold. Only then we can bring someone in.
 

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I think this window will be disappointing to many. I don't think we will buy more than maybe one player above 30 mil, but I do think we will look for someone promising on the cheap.
Ideally we need to sell Lovren and find someone that we are pretty sure is considerably better. Not that easy on the cheap. Then we need another midfielder ideally, but not a priority. We do need probably ideally to find someone slightly better than Origi, but not easy on the cheap.
Also, it is not ideal that James Milner plays so many games as left back, although he does an admirable job for sure.

But I feel pretty confident that we won't spend 100 mil on transfers, even with sales. I don't think we will spend above 60 mil in total, probably less than that. FSG has invested well, but does not have a history of spending money without selling.
 

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It's difficult to type in mobile and I can't access the forum on my computer, so I will write in parts.

We have to off load some players for various reasons. Lovren isn't consistent enough to challenge Joe or Joel for that starter spot alongside VVD. Shaqiri, though very apt to play across the frontline, isn't fit enough to be considered as cover or competition for Mane, Salah and Firmino. Origi has the fitness but he is not suited to play in the system we employ.

Wilson and Grujic are either not good enough or not suitable for our system.

I guess there are probably another half dozen players in various categories (on loan, reserve team etc.) who don't have any future with us.

It's important to clear the deck by selling these players. That will open up spaces for new signings or young prospects. The sales will also generate funds for squad regeneration.
 

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The more i think about it the harder i find it that we will be buying anyone other than young prospects (as we did with Elliot last summer) this window unless it is to replace a regular member of our squad we lose, or an absolute bargain.

Most of those leaving that we know about have effectively been replaced already with the youngsters coming through.

The progress of Jones, Williams and Brewster has been good. I wouldn't be surprised if Brewster, at least for the first part of next season, is kept as part of our squad and gets playing time, particularly if he has another good pre-season. We saw how at Chelsea how Tammy Abraham performed on return from his loan spell.

I think Klopp will want to spend the pre-season training sessions working on individual tweaks both to player's individual games and to the way the team plays, rather than on acclimatising new players expected to feature regularly.
 

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I think Lovren would be leaving and we will need someone to fill the void. Three CB aren't enough given the fitness issues of Joel. The youngsters are too young and need grooming before they can step up. I'm thinking about someone like Kolo Toure who still has good couple of years.

In the midfield, Wijnaldum might leave and Thiago might come in. That should be enough given our personnel and the strides made by Curtis Jones.

In the attacking areas, both Divock and Shaqiri might leave. While I'm very enthusiastic about young Rhian Brewster and Takumi, I feel we need another player to provide cover and competition to the existing front three.