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We dont have a massive drop in quality or style of play when one of the midfielders needs to fill in somewhere else and I think with us being careful with money, squad harmony etc we prefer having versatile players anyway rather than a guy to fill in if for one specific area if a player gets injured. The way we operate we obviously need very similar style players for some areas but we can def have hendo or gini fill in at DM without much of a drop. I dont think jones could consistently play there at a top level or it would even be fair to ask him to. I was going more by who had played senior football for is in which positions
Ok, we are in agreement however that doesn't answer my question and if Fabinho is considered as CB cover as well that question becomes more pertinent and if Gini leaves?
 

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Henderson was world class as the 6 in the 12 or so games he played there this season and Gini is more then capable too. No need to look for another.

Jones is not at all suited and doesn't play there for the youth sides. Leighton Clarkson has been name dropped by Ljinders as a possible '6'.
So the answer is we haven't a youngster as cover in this position.
 

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The point is that there's far too much focus on players being right footed. That isn't the primary reason we lose an edge when they play left back, it's because Robertson is an incredible player. Exactly the same thing happens when Gomez, Milner and Williams replace Trent, because Trent is the best in the game.
We actually haven't seen what the impact of having another left footer play there would be because we haven't had a left footed option that Klopp trusts to play there for two years.

Given the importance of our fullbacks it's a bit mad we have a kid, a 34 year old midfielder and a center back to cover them.

Part of the edge we lose is not only that the player replacing them isn't as good, they're also not a natural in that position. All that cutting back on to their right foot slows down the attacks and that speed of attack is a key component of our play.
 

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The point is that there's far too much focus on players being right footed. That isn't the primary reason we lose an edge when they play left back, it's because Robertson is an incredible player. Exactly the same thing happens when Gomez, Milner and Williams replace Trent, because Trent is the best in the game.



Henderson was world class as the 6 in the 12 or so games he played there this season and Gini is more then capable too. No need to look for another.

Jones is not at all suited and doesn't play there for the youth sides. Leighton Clarkson has been name dropped by Ljinders as a possible '6'.
From watching our games when we have a right footer at left back I disagree. I also think we lose something when gomez plays right back and I think hes a class player too. Im not saying get some donkey whos left footed to play left back as it will be better than any right footed option we have, it goes without saying they have to be of a certain standard. Being able to cross the ball accurately first time from a diagonal for example is something thats hard enough with your stronger foot. Only a very few players in world football can comfortably and constantly deliver the ball with their weaker foot and none of them would come here to play back up left back. If you think having to chop inside to do something is not a problem for the way we play then were on 2 different pages so were going to have different points of view on this
 

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We actually haven't seen what the impact of having another left footer play there would be because we haven't had a left footed option that Klopp trusts to play there for two years.

Given the importance of our fullbacks it's a bit mad we have a kid, a 34 year old midfielder and a center back to cover them.

Part of the edge we lose is not only that the player replacing them isn't as good, they're also not a natural in that position. All that cutting back on to their right foot slows down the attacks and that speed of attack is a key component of our play.
The reason why our full backs are so important is because they are freakishly good. The best right back and the best left back in world football. Finding deputies who can play at close to their level is not trivial, especially if they are not going to play very often. We’ve got really lucky to have Williams coming through.

If we had to cope without our first choice pair, it’s a matter of finding a different way to break teams down. We can’t get two lads who aren’t Trent and Robbo, and complain they aren’t Trent and Robbo.
 

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We actually haven't seen what the impact of having another left footer play there would be because we haven't had a left footed option that Klopp trusts to play there for two years.

Given the importance of our fullbacks it's a bit mad we have a kid, a 34 year old midfielder and a center back to cover them.

Part of the edge we lose is not only that the player replacing them isn't as good, they're also not a natural in that position. All that cutting back on to their right foot slows down the attacks and that speed of attack is a key component of our play.
It's not mad at all.

Look around the league, there are probably two players who could come in and do a job similar to Robbo - Mendy and Digne.

The rest are absolutely nowhere near him, whether left footed or otherwise. If it was easy to get players who could replicate our fullbacks then everyone else would be doing so.
 

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It's not mad at all.

Look around the league, there are probably two players who could come in and do a job similar to Robbo - Mendy and Digne.

The rest are absolutely nowhere near him, whether left footed or otherwise. If it was easy to get players who could replicate our fullbacks then everyone else would be doing so.
But Robbo didn't look like one of the left backs in the league when we bought him. He didn't even play for about four months.

I don't think anyone is expecting someone of Robertson's current level but there is quite a big gap between Robbo and our other current options. There are more than Digne and Mendy who could reduce that drop off and certainly young options across Europe with scope to improve over time to potentially challenge Robertson for the role.
 

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The reason why our full backs are so important is because they are freakishly good. The best right back and the best left back in world football. Finding deputies who can play at close to their level is not trivial, especially if they are not going to play very often. We’ve got really lucky to have Williams coming through.

If we had to cope without our first choice pair, it’s a matter of finding a different way to break teams down. We can’t get two lads who aren’t Trent and Robbo, and complain they aren’t Trent and Robbo.
No one is expecting there to be no drop off but having to change style to account for the loss of one player because we have no one similar in the squad is very high risk.

It's like saying, "well van Dijk is the best CB in the world so we only need one more option there and then we'll make do if needs be.

We picked up Robertson for £8m from Hull. We didn't buy the best LB in the world, we moulded him into being that. No one is telling me there isn't a reasonably priced option out there that is better than Milner for that role.
 

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I dont get why its irked so many people just suggesting we need need a left footer at left back ha I thought that stuff was obvious for our team. Not saying anyones wrong who disargees, I just must see something different when our attacks lose momentum when were forced to go back on ourselves and the opposition have time to get back into shape.
 

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Bring back Albi,simple.
On the other hand...lets just use milner

I get what yous are saying, its not that I would take a shit player over anyone we have. A left sided version of nico, where we could see the potential would be nice or someone like that Max guy who could cover down the left side without too much of a drop of quality
 

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But Robbo didn't look like one of the left backs in the league when we bought him. He didn't even play for about four months.
I'm not sure this is fully true actually, Robertson's qualities were well summed up by some people on here who had actually seen him.

I hadn't watched Hull at all really but I remember a few posters saying he was an excellent crosser of the ball and had good pace. @Zoran was one of them iirc.

Royhendo over on Rawk was absolutely creaming himself over Robertson too.

The attributes were there, some things just needed ironing out. Obviously a lot of people were disgusted by the idea of a relegated player being the answer but those who'd actually watched a bit of him had good things to say.

Very few players have that potential, it's just a credit to Edwards and co for spotting the one that did.
 

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No one is expecting there to be no drop off but having to change style to account for the loss of one player because we have no one similar in the squad is very high risk.

It's like saying, "well van Dijk is the best CB in the world so we only need one more option there and then we'll make do if needs be.

We picked up Robertson for £8m from Hull. We didn't buy the best LB in the world, we moulded him into being that. No one is telling me there isn't a reasonably priced option out there that is better than Milner for that role.
Robbo wouldn’t have become Robbo if he’d only been getting a game here and there when the 1st choice left back was injured or needed a rest.
 

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The people who dont think we need a back up left back, can i ask why?
The last two seasons would suggest we don't need one.

But I doubt anyone would be unhappy at a better option there, especially a left footer who could play in the midfield or on the wing too. Sounds like a good idea to me.

It's just not as easy to get right. Look at some of the names on here, the likes of Masina and Lewis? Shite, a massive step down and would never offer what Robertson does.

Phillip Max is a good shout but would presumably be extremely expensive for a back up left back. Saka? Yeah possibly would have been a good option, yet Arteta started a right footer ahead of him at LWB yesterday. Mcneil? Another potentially very good option, but also very expensive again and would possibly be a poor defender at the back.

There just aren't loads of players out there available who suit the brief. What names would you suggest?
 

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Love that. No explanation of why not or anything lol. He is to me mate and I can only speak from my point of view
Other than an arbitrary assessment that they both "naturally" (what?) play the same position, it's not as though Williams is a Trent clone. Their movements in the attacking third are very different, to give just one example. Williams is very eager to attack the box while Trent is functionally a wide playmaker. Trent's technical quality on the ball is streets ahead of Williams. The change in play between the two is drastic.

Williams seems to have something about him, but the reason he could be an option behind Trent has nothing to do with his footedness, similarity to Trent's style of play, or his preferred playing position. It has to do with the qualities he can provide from the positions we get our fullbacks into. It's why Milner was an effective option at LB, despite the general hand-wringing about how playing on his "wrong" side slows us down.

Williams' aggressive runs into the box could actually be very useful on his "wrong" side (LB), much like how Guardiola has used his fullbacks/wingers in the past (wingers stay wider, fullbacks play inverted). Whether Klopp/Lijnders want to explore that different kind of attacking play remains to be seen, but Williams can still be effective from the left side if he keeps developing his game. He's certainly raw, but being the "3rd" fullback for either side could get him good minutes without having to go on loan.
 

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I'm not sure this is fully true actually, Robertson's qualities were well summed up by some people on here who had actually seen him.

I hadn't watched Hull at all really but I remember a few posters saying he was an excellent crosser of the ball and had good pace. @Zoran was one of them iirc.

Royhendo over on Rawk was absolutely creaming himself over Robertson too.

The attributes were there, some things just needed ironing out. Obviously a lot of people were disgusted by the idea of a relegated player being the answer but those who'd actually watched a bit of him had good things to say.

Very few players have that potential, it's just a credit to Edwards and co for spotting the one that did.
Yeah, when the deal was announced RoyHendo was doing the fan forum equivalent of running around with your top off swinging it around over your head. Everytime I see Robbo play, I cant stop thinking about how sure he was about him.
 

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The last two seasons would suggest we don't need one.

But I doubt anyone would be unhappy at a better option there, especially a left footer who could play in the midfield or on the wing too. Sounds like a good idea to me.

It's just not as easy to get right. Look at some of the names on here, the likes of Masina and Lewis? Shite, a massive step down and would never offer what Robertson does.

Phillip Max is a good shout but would presumably be extremely expensive for a back up left back. Saka? Yeah possibly would have been a good option, yet Arteta started a right footer ahead of him at LWB yesterday. Mcneil? Another potentially very good option, but also very expensive again and would possibly be a poor defender at the back.

There just aren't loads of players out there available who suit the brief. What names would you suggest?
The last 2 seasons weve thrown a couple of cups due to keeping the first teamers fit for league and champs league so there def is scope in the squad for improvements to our back ups at least. I think that left side is really important for us to get back up for without me knowing which specific player. You know the same names as me but we're not scouts and I wouldnt have a clue if theres someone of nicos level at least somewhere around but Im sure there is. I suggested max because weve been linked with him in the past and he may be an option in 2 positions, in which case hed get plenty of minutes. Thats the area I would strengthen for sure though and having 1 player for backup down that left side would surely be a good thing if we are being careful with the cash. Im not going to whinge either way just what id personally try to do. We were linked with that firpo too who went to barca if i remember right so maybe the club are looking at options like that
 

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I’d rather see what Neco Williams might become. He could be groomed to deputise on both flanks in the fullback position, thus seeing a few more games than if he only covered one side. Obviously, first and foremost, he has to do it at a good enough level.

From the little I saw in his left back cameo, there was enough about his performance that made me want to see more. Sometimes you can instantly see it’s not there, but in this instance I thought he did reasonably well. Showed enough to build on, if that makes sense.

Ideally it would be a left footer, and for all we know we may end up signing such a player to back Robbo up, and if we do, and the player is good enough that he brings plenty to the party in his own right, none of us would be against it.

But it’s a tricky conundrum.

If the new signing was is at a good enough level, will he want to sit on the bench, say, for 90% of our games? If he will come under those circumstances, and crucially be of a good enough level, then fine. But I’m not so sure there are many out there who fit the bill.

So what about Neco?

Definitely looks good enough to be a back up to Trent, so should be called up for that. Arguably that gives him 10% of games.
And to my eyes, he has something about his game that leads me to think he could be a back up to Robbo, say for another 10% of games.
All things considered he may get 10 games next season, backing up both fullback positions, albeit a fair amount of his games would be in less high profile contests, as should be the case when trying to groom back ups to come through.

Fast, energetic, has decent feet, showed a nice trick in a step over move I seem to recall too.

Yes, a compromise on the left, but that can be coached and mitigated. However, another signing might be a compromise in other ways, even if they are left footed.

My take is deploy Neco to cover both fullback positions. As his own star rises it also gives him more of a job to do at Liverpool, hopefully helping him to stay with us for a good while, as he looks to me like he could do a job at another Prem team, and before too long he will be thinking about his own career.

If it doesn’t work out, fine, get a specialist left back, but first, I would rather go with Neco and let the lad show us what he can do.
 
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Other than an arbitrary assessment that they both "naturally" (what?) play the same position, it's not as though Williams is a Trent clone. Their movements in the attacking third are very different, to give just one example. Williams is very eager to attack the box while Trent is functionally a wide playmaker. Trent's technical quality on the ball is streets ahead of Williams. The change in play between the two is drastic.

Williams seems to have something about him, but the reason he could be an option behind Trent has nothing to do with his footedness, similarity to Trent's style of play, or his preferred playing position. It has to do with the qualities he can provide from the positions we get our fullbacks into. It's why Milner was an effective option at LB, despite the general hand-wringing about how playing on his "wrong" side slows us down.

Williams' aggressive runs into the box could actually be very useful on his "wrong" side (LB), much like how Guardiola has used his fullbacks/wingers in the past (wingers stay wider, fullbacks play inverted). Whether Klopp/Lijnders want to explore that different kind of attacking play remains to be seen, but Williams can still be effective from the left side if he keeps developing his game. He's certainly raw, but being the "3rd" fullback for either side could get him good minutes without having to go on loan.
Its more about how the team plays with them in more than being a clone of each player for me. If theres a drop, if play slows down, if it limits the options. If williams is good on the left an it doesnt effect the play then great but if its just a case of turn back most times and no chance of a cross because theres not as much confidence with the left then that just wouldnt be good in my eyes. Are you just assuming he can or has nico played left back at some point? I dont follow the youth team much anymore so i dont have a clue.
 

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The last two seasons would suggest we don't need one.
Just a point on this. This is a "who would you buy" thread not a "we won the league, we dont need anyone" thread lol. Could say that about anyone whos suggested. Bet if I said replace origi it wouldnt be met with the same opposition even though we still won the league.
Seems like people are a bit outraged for suggesting we could do with a decent left back or left sided backup whos left footed. The dream would be havertz, mbappe etc but looking at things realistically, decent backups where we havent got them would be good
 

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Personally I'd like us to go for Willian, he'd be absolutely ideal for a year whilst Elliot grows and would be happy with around 20 starts so perfect to rotate with either Mane or Salah.
 

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The people who dont think we need a back up left back, can i ask why?
I think we can solve it internally for shorter periods. Ideally I'd like us to get one, but I also understand why it's difficult to find the right player.

I get what you're saying though in terms of wanting a left footer. I was very much in that camp back when Milner was playing left back a few years ago, I thought we shot ourselves in the foot against defensive teams by having a right footed player there without a proper outside winger ahead of him.

Now though, I think we're much better positioned to handle it. Back then we weren't good against organised defence, but now we have much better structure and also better players. There are more ways for us to create now, so that's why I think we'd be fine with Milner or Williams there.
 

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The people who dont think we need a back up left back, can i ask why?
There is a difference between ‘we don’t need a back up left back’ and ‘I’m not sure we can find someone to do that job on the conditions we’re offering’.

I think most people you are addressing fall into the latter category rather than the first, and if there is a player out there we can persuade to come here and understudy Robbo, getting the odd game here and there and performing well when asked, I’d be delighted.

Where the frustration comes is that for some people the solution is obvious. Just go get a good player. It’s all so easy to criticise and moan when you’re choosing to ignore all the complicated matters that make this recruitment actually quite difficult.

So to recap, the player we go for to cover Robbo needs to be:

- left footed
- not too much of a drop off.
- reliably fit.
- not too expensive, and with not excessive wage demands.
- happy to play occasionally, and who’s form won’t be affected by sporadic appearances.
- happy to sit behind the world’s best left back, who also has incredible stamina and natural fitness, and no suggestion of injury issues

That’s a hell of an ask, from a recruitment perspective. To the point where I’m not sure it’s actually possible.

People make the comparison with signing Robbo from Hull, like you can sign another Andy Robertson from another Hull. And maybe that player is out there? But let’s not forget that Andy Robertson came here to dislodge Alby Moreno, a lad who couldn’t cross the ball, had zero positional awareness, and tackled as if he was doing a special move on Street Fighter II. Telling a young promising attacking left back to come here with Andy Robertson between him and the first team is another matter. If I was the lads agent I couldn’t in all honesty advise him to make that move.

So I think the clubs approach to this is probably right. Keep feelers out for an opportunistic signing if it materialises, maybe a youngster in the mood of Neco, or a veteran who doesn’t mind limited appearances. But be prepared to find an internal solution, whether that’s a change of system, training Neco to play Left Back or asking a more experienced squad member to step in occasionally (like Milner, Ox or Gini).
 

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I'm not sure this is fully true actually, Robertson's qualities were well summed up by some people on here who had actually seen him.

I hadn't watched Hull at all really but I remember a few posters saying he was an excellent crosser of the ball and had good pace. @Zoran was one of them iirc.

Royhendo over on Rawk was absolutely creaming himself over Robertson too.

The attributes were there, some things just needed ironing out. Obviously a lot of people were disgusted by the idea of a relegated player being the answer but those who'd actually watched a bit of him had good things to say.

Very few players have that potential, it's just a credit to Edwards and co for spotting the one that did.
Point still stands. He was a decent player that has worked hard and been moulded into a great player. We don't need to buy the current version of him, we want to be buying the Hull version of him.
 

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Point still stands. He was a decent player that has worked hard and been moulded into a great player. We don't need to buy the current version of him, we want to be buying the Hull version of him.
I’m not sure Andy Robertson comes here if we’ve already got Andy Robertson blocking his way into the team.
 
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