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rab

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Robbo wouldn’t have become Robbo if he’d only been getting a game here and there when the 1st choice left back was injured or needed a rest.
True. But he's gone from 30 appearances in his first season to nearly 50 in each of his last two so there's game time there for someone else to do more than the odd appearance. And that's before we see injury and fatigue from playing 50 games a year factored in.
 

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Personally I'd like us to go for Willian, he'd be absolutely ideal for a year whilst Elliot grows and would be happy with around 20 starts so perfect to rotate with either Mane or Salah.
He wants a three year contract which is the reason he’s probably leaving Chelsea as they ain’t willing to offer a contract that length
 

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Point still stands. He was a decent player that has worked hard and been moulded into a great player. We don't need to buy the current version of him, we want to be buying the Hull version of him.
I was excited when we bought Robertson because he was the only player that stood out, when I saw Hull, in a decidely average Hull team. Hard working, good technique and all that we see now from him though he didn't gat forward so much. We ironed out some rough edged or should I say he did but he kept his agression hard work and desire. It would be a tough call to find a left back in his mould to stay back up to him. Finding those rare talents that have so far flown under the radar is hard. I haven't seen one at left back since Robertson.
 

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.... a left footer who could play in the midfield or on the wing too. Sounds like a good idea to me.

.... What names would you suggest?
The two I'm seeing around who seem like good options are Tsimikas and Cucurella. Both good crossers of the ball, both can play LB or further up field, both young, physically robust, quick and seem to have reputations as hard working tenacious tacklers. Both/either could be available reasonably this summer and Getafe and Olympiacos aren't exactly too hard for us to poach from. Neither are going to step in and be at the level of this seasons Robertson from day 1 but they seem like they could both do a similar job on the pitch and could grow and develop under Klopp. If one of them came in we could end up with the versatile, left footed, Jack of all trades type like Milner has been right footed. Or we could end up with a stop gap for couple of seasons who "does a job" from time to time and eventually moves on having their reputation increased due to time here/under Klopp.
 

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I was excited when we bought Robertson because he was the only player that stood out, when I saw Hull, in a decidely average Hull team. Hard working, good technique and all that we see now from him though he didn't gat forward so much. We ironed out some rough edged or should I say he did but he kept his agression hard work and desire. It would be a tough call to find a left back in his mould to stay back up to him. Finding those rare talents that have so far flown under the radar is hard. I haven't seen one at left back since Robertson.
Maybe that's because they're flying under your radar...
 

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You mean like Alberto Moreno and James Milner?

Also, yes he would. Championship with Hull or the bench for Liverpool isn't a tough choice if you back your ability.
That’s my point. Andy Robertson looked at Alby Moreno and backed himself to force his way into the team.

Right now, even if we can identify a left back we like, they don’t have to back themselves to get past Alby Moreno. They have to back themselves to get past the best left back in the whole fucking world.
 

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True. But he's gone from 30 appearances in his first season to nearly 50 in each of his last two so there's game time there for someone else to do more than the odd appearance. And that's before we see injury and fatigue from playing 50 games a year factored in.
Well, that’s up to the sports science bods. I’ve said before that I worry Robbo is due an injury - I still remember everyone saying Lucas was never injured, until he was. Remember similar comments about Hendo too.

And I do keep saying that I would like nothing more than to find a good player who can cover - but I think we have to acknowledge that it isn’t easy and at least part of that is that Robbo is brilliant. It is incredibly hard, and transparent deceptive, for LFC to sit down with a young, promising left back and tell them if they work hard and give their all in training they can knock Andy out of the side and claim the shirt. They can’t and won’t and all parties would know that.
 

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Seriously what left back is going to move here to play the odd game while also fitting in the ‘good character, determined and ambitious person’ requirement but then be happy to sit on the bench for the next 7 years. It’s near impossible someone that fits the quota will willing ‘nearly sacrifice his career for the bench’ maybe our only option is a older footballer that has finished his ‘peak’ and doesn’t mind making less than 10 appearances a season.
 

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That’s my point. Andy Robertson looked at Alby Moreno and backed himself to force his way into the team.

Right now, even if we can identify a left back we like, they don’t have to back themselves to get past Alby Moreno. They have to back themselves to get past the best left back in the whole fucking world.
Something I've been thinking about today is that even Ragnar Klavan eventually wanted to move on.
 

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Well, that’s up to the sports science bods. I’ve said before that I worry Robbo is due an injury - I still remember everyone saying Lucas was never injured, until he was. Remember similar comments about Hendo too.

And I do keep saying that I would like nothing more than to find a good player who can cover - but I think we have to acknowledge that it isn’t easy and at least part of that is that Robbo is brilliant. It is incredibly hard, and transparent deceptive, for LFC to sit down with a young, promising left back and tell them if they work hard and give their all in training they can knock Andy out of the side and claim the shirt. They can’t and won’t and all parties would know that.
Seriously what left back is going to move here to play the odd game while also fitting in the ‘good character, determined and ambitious person’ requirement but then be happy to sit on the bench for the next 7 years. It’s near impossible someone that fits the quota will willing ‘nearly sacrifice his career for the bench’ maybe our only option is a older footballer that has finished his ‘peak’ and doesn’t mind making less than 10 appearances a season.
Two things to keep in mind:

1st Players don't see a move as "forever" any more, 4 seasons is usually seen as a long stint at a club nowadays and we may only need a few seasons till the academy produces a Left footed Neco Williams anyway so that's not the end of the world if a player thinks like @redfanman says "just a couple of seasons as a squad player learning under Klopp, winning some medals, then move on"!

2nd The limitations on playing time only really exist if you're limiting the discussion to pure LBs who only play one position. A multi functional player who can do a bit of a job like Milner at LB and other positions too may get plenty of playing time for a squad member. Klopp could sit there and hand on heart explain to someone like Cucurella that they'll get run outs in LB, as an 8 and even on both wings during the season. He'd have to take it slow initially to settle and get up to speed but should see plenty of game time even if there are no serious injuries.
 

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Well, that’s up to the sports science bods. I’ve said before that I worry Robbo is due an injury - I still remember everyone saying Lucas was never injured, until he was. Remember similar comments about Hendo too.

And I do keep saying that I would like nothing more than to find a good player who can cover - but I think we have to acknowledge that it isn’t easy and at least part of that is that Robbo is brilliant. It is incredibly hard, and transparent deceptive, for LFC to sit down with a young, promising left back and tell them if they work hard and give their all in training they can knock Andy out of the side and claim the shirt. They can’t and won’t and all parties would know that.
So why do players ever move then. Why would that Turkish lad come when we've three great centre backs already? Why did van den Berg and Elliott sign if we're saying first team football is a closed shop? We persuaded Minamino to come despite having the best front three in the world.

We've never been such an attractive destination in most players life time. You say to a young left back that they'll get 20 ish appearances including both league and FA cup games in the first season and the opportunity to push for a first team place. Or they can go to West Ham and play every week in a relegation battle.

If we can't sell the club to players now then we're fucked because every other top club can.
 

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So why do players ever move then. Why would that Turkish lad come when we've three great centre backs already? Why did van den Berg and Elliott sign if we're saying first team football is a closed shop? We persuaded Minamino to come despite having the best front three in the world.

We've never been such an attractive destination in most players life time. You say to a young left back that they'll get 20 ish appearances including both league and FA cup games in the first season and the opportunity to push for a first team place. Or they can go to West Ham and play every week in a relegation battle.

If we can't sell the club to players now then we're fucked because every other top club can.
We’ll see. For some clubs it’s just a matter of saying come and sit on our bench and we’ll give you 200k a week. That’s obviously not us.

There is an obvious pathway to first team football for Elliot and Van Den Berg - they are young enough that by the time they need to be nailing a first team spot, todays established players will have moved on or naturally tailed off.

But you are spot on when you talk about selling the club to players. My argument is that this becomes a fuck of a lot harder when you can’t show lads where they get their game. Any good left back we go to will need to know they are going to get at least a chance.

And that’s just my point. Ideally let’s find some cover for Robbo, but let’s not pretend this isn’t really hard. Fans talk about getting a left back as if it’s as easy as popping to the shops and getting one off a shelf.

In the end if we do get cover, then the situation suggested by @Anfield rd Dreamer is the best bet. Get one who can cover a few positions, and you can then realistically promise them 20-25 games (Sako would have been perfect).

But I think a left back specialist is near impossible, unless you’re making huge sacrifices in ability or desire.
 

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Part of that may have been due to physicaity of the league.
Also worth thinking that a back up signing doesnt have to be for an entire career, just a couple of seasons.
I know, and each situation is different, etc. But Klavan was the CB equivalent of what we're talking about for a Robbo backup. Journeyman at the tail end of his career, good professional, reasonable level of talent, got 20 games a season...

That buys us 2 years. And of course that could be enough until (hopefully) another academy prospect emerges. But it illustrates that even what we would describe as the perfect option to look for in the market is by no means an automatic sell to the player. Let alone someone who is 'Robbo when he was at Hull'.
 

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I would get this guy in for LB. Unfortunately at 24, its not likely he wants to come here to play the odd game or two. And that probably demonstrated how difficult the job of Klopp and the team is, to try to get a quality backup to every position in the team and yet ensuring that the player feels valued and gets enough game per season.

 

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I would get this guy in for LB. Unfortunately at 24, its not likely he wants to come here to play the odd game or two. And that probably demonstrated how difficult the job of Klopp and the team is, to try to get a quality backup to every position in the team and yet ensuring that the player feels valued and gets enough game per season.

But he could be used in a more versatile way than just LB.
 

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But he could be used in a more versatile way than just LB.
He can, and if Klopp sees it that way, would have to ensure that he will get enough games as Klopp himself envisions every member of his squad. But as I said before, I am very happy that we have a club run this way, prudent and not going out to buy solutions at the first instance.
 

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I think we have to think differently. Maybe a player who can play attacking positions too. Versatile. Like Henderson or Wijnaldum who can cover multiple places.
 

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I am conflicted. When you look at the starters, where do you improve the team?

Ali? Goodluck with that.

Trent, Robbo? Is the third best wingback in the world available? Would the drop off in quality be acceptable?

VVD? Not even a typo would help you!

Matip, Gomez? Probably your best bet. The improvement would be negligible. In reality we are looking for a squad player to replace Lovren and compete/cover for the remaining cb role.

We won't even agree with who the starting midfield three are, so how we going to replace one of them? An addition, sure, a replacement, no. We have 5 quality players, and 1 quality senior citizen, to cover three positions.

There isn't an available player to replace one of the front three. We currently already have three quality squad players in backup, not including youth. Sancho would not replace any starter. He would improve the backups for a measly £100m.

So I think we are looking for max of 2 extra players, assuming no current squad players leave. The net spend is going to be approximately £0. We are already at -£11m.

I do think the Thiago rumours are true. I think him and a versatile cb/lb, probably along the lines of a Kelly type player.

I would love a Havertz. Not going to happen.
 

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I would get this guy in for LB. Unfortunately at 24, its not likely he wants to come here to play the odd game or two. And that probably demonstrated how difficult the job of Klopp and the team is, to try to get a quality backup to every position in the team and yet ensuring that the player feels valued and gets enough game per season.

This is one for @Zinedine Biscan, an old old joke, but my old Greek boss raves about this lad. Good FBs is something Greece have a pretty good track record on. For years I was desperate for us to buy Torosidis.
 
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Neco, to cover both fullback options. Jobs a good un.
Some seem dead set on this being what we go for it. Whys "jobs a good un"? Because some are guessing that the kid can do the job at a senior level with not much of a drop off? Come on lads, its not even fair doing that to him. If robbo does get injured, then we throw him into a run of prem games playing out of position and he struggles, it could truly fuck his confidence and career up. Getting a left version of neco from someones youth academy would be a better option.
Has neco played left back much for the youth team? I asked this already but not sure if anyones answered.
 

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Some seem dead set on this being what we go for it. Whys "jobs a good un"? Because some are guessing that the kid can do the job at a senior level with not much of a drop off? Come on lads, its not even fair doing that to him. If robbo does get injured, then we throw him into a run of prem games playing out of position and he struggles, it could truly fuck his confidence and career up. Getting a left version of neco from someones youth academy would be a better option.
Has neco played left back much for the youth team? I asked this already but not sure if anyones answered.
Thanks for the considered response. I'm happy to tone down the "jobs a good un" rhetoric, and put it more like this:

"Showed enough that I'm happy to let him have the job covering both full backs for next season."

If it's not good, and he doesn't rise to the challenge, we will go into the market, or perhaps another player might emerge. But my inclination is Neco can do a very good job on the right, backing up Trent, and a reasonable job on the left, backing up Robbo. He is not naturally left footed, so going on the outside and crossing with the left will be a rare thing for us to see him do, but apart from that, I like what I see - decent pace, good athlete, gets up and down the flank, seems to be a footballer.

Ultimately he may or may not make the grade, but the progress has been fine so far, such that I'd be willing to give him more responsibility next term and see how we go.

We would be talking about a lowish amount of games, but covering both flanks would give him more action and more chance to make progress with real games. Naturally, the games would be some of the less competitive ones, or so-called smaller games.

Long term injury to Robbo and unless Neco absolutely bossed it, which may be too much to ask, then at that point I would imagine we'd go into the market.
 
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I think people are very idealistic when they think all players want to play every game.

Picking up £80k to play Carabao Cup games and occasionally be rotated in for home games against Huddersfield is a lovely life.
Who wants that type of character in the squad?

People talk about Lallana but he was grinding to stay fit and ultimately, showed how much playing means to him by leaving. You want players in your squad who will fight to play every minute possible.
 

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Who wants that type of character in the squad?

People talk about Lallana but he was grinding to stay fit and ultimately, showed how much playing means to him by leaving. You want players in your squad who will fight to play every minute possible.
What else was he going to do?!
 
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