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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-contract-expiry-mane-sadio-14588306

Not all of them are accurate (Origi is until 2020, Milner as well, Grujić until 2023) but it's indicative that Alexander-Arnold, Robertson and Wijnaldum are most probably the next three Liverpool players to be in line for extensions, while Matip, Clyne and Lallana are probably the next three to leave (not counting Moreno who is as good as gone). Stranger things have happened, of course, but this is how the current team is shaping up to look.
Hard to argue with the above, though Sturridge makes an interesting case, deal up in the summer but Klopp seems to be putting his faith in him as the main cover for Firmino. Will we let him leave on a free this summer, or does he get a new 1-2 year deal? Would he want that?

Also, how on earth has Mignolet got 2.5 years remaining? :shocked:
 

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Hard to argue with the above, though Sturridge makes an interesting case, deal up in the summer but Klopp seems to be putting his faith in him as the main cover for Firmino. Will we let him leave on a free this summer, or does he get a new 1-2 year deal? Would he want that?

Also, how on earth has Mignolet got 2.5 years remaining? :shocked:
I'm torn over Sturridge. He's either brilliant or injured, and his brilliance is best served when he comes off the bench. On one hand, Firmino would hardly be rested if Sturridge could only play as a sub, and likewise if Sturridge started, he would most probably be an ineffective option given his loss of pace and stamina. At this moment, I think Liverpool are getting close to something of a clearout of attacking positions in the summer (Marković, Origi, Sturridge all leaving permanently, Solanke perhaps leaving on loan).
 

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Sturridge is a strange one and if he does get a ban from the FA that would also have a big influence on what Liverpool do with him.
Wouldn’t mind if he stayed as the a kind of third choice with say just for argument sake Liverpool sign Werner.
Him and Firmino rotate whilst Firmino also plays behind Werner in free role and Sturridge is the one who comes of the bench but I don’t think he’d be happy with that this.
 

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I'm torn over Sturridge. He's either brilliant or injured, and his brilliance is best served when he comes off the bench. On one hand, Firmino would hardly be rested if Sturridge could only play as a sub, and likewise if Sturridge started, he would most probably be an ineffective option given his loss of pace and stamina. At this moment, I think Liverpool are getting close to something of a clearout of attacking positions in the summer (Marković, Origi, Sturridge all leaving permanently, Solanke perhaps leaving on loan).
I think Sturridge’s future is tied into Brewster’s.

If Klopp is serious about bringing Brewster into the first team, the keeping Sturridge makes sense - both as a mentor and role model for Rhian, and also as a back up to him in case he struggles.

If we do go for Timo Werner (for example) I can see Sturridge moving on.
 

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I think Sturridge’s future is tied into Brewster’s.

If Klopp is serious about bringing Brewster into the first team, the keeping Sturridge makes sense - both as a mentor and role model for Rhian, and also as a back up to him in case he struggles.

If we do go for Timo Werner (for example) I can see Sturridge moving on.
Brewster's situation is peculiar - it was said by reliable sources that Klopp wouldn't go for Werner in particular because he had promised game time to Brewster. Because of his pace, he can also play on the wing, even though it's not his natural role, which is reminiscent of Werner himself. In that sense, I think he's closer to becoming a player like Salah or Mane, only in centre forward role, rather than Sturridge.

I agree with you, though, having a version of Sturridge Klopp could rely on would be probably very beneficial to both Brewster (allowing Klopp to ease him into the first team) and Solanke (freeing him up for a loan move). That said, do Klopp and his staff believe that Sturridge can be relied upon and, conversely, would Sturridge be satisfied with a backup role?
 

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Brewster's situation is peculiar - it was said by reliable sources that Klopp wouldn't go for Werner in particular because he had promised game time to Brewster. Because of his pace, he can also play on the wing, even though it's not his natural role, which is reminiscent of Werner himself. In that sense, I think he's closer to becoming a player like Salah or Mane, only in centre forward role, rather than Sturridge.

I agree with you, though, having a version of Sturridge Klopp could rely on would be probably very beneficial to both Brewster (allowing Klopp to ease him into the first team) and Solanke (freeing him up for a loan move). That said, do Klopp and his staff believe that Sturridge can be relied upon and, conversely, would Sturridge be satisfied with a backup role?
Wages are also an issue. Sturridge is on ₤120k a week but from what he delivered since his contract extension he should be somewhere between Moreno (i think ₤50k) and Matip (i think 80k) tbf. Sturridge is 29 now and that's an age where he is probably looking to increase his wages.
 

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I'm torn over Sturridge. He's either brilliant or injured, and his brilliance is best served when he comes off the bench. On one hand, Firmino would hardly be rested if Sturridge could only play as a sub, and likewise if Sturridge started, he would most probably be an ineffective option given his loss of pace and stamina. At this moment, I think Liverpool are getting close to something of a clearout of attacking positions in the summer (Marković, Origi, Sturridge all leaving permanently, Solanke perhaps leaving on loan).

Bit of a contadiction there.

This notion that he's brilliant is just plain wrong, someone the other week was saying he's a front line world class striker, it's odd.

He was brilliant for 18 months up until 4 and half years ago & hasn't been anywhere remotely close to that level since, infact he's been a massive let down, an absolute waste of time and money.

Yes there are exceptions - the odd flash of brilliance like the Chelsea/Sevilla goals, if he's fit he can be of some use to us on occasion but he can't be relied upon to be fit or be the player he was 5/6 years ago because he simply isn't that player anymore.

He owes us all a season where he contributes, he's done OK so far but when this season is done it will be time to wave him goodbye & get a quality forward in which I'm pretty sure Klopp will do, we won't be offering him a 140k contract again that is for sure.
 

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I'd be very surprised if we were to buy another striker with both Firmino and Salah playing 9 (in very different ways) and also with Klopp's favourite 4-4-1-1 coming out of the shadows. Also, Brewster and Solanke as third/fourth choice is more than enough imo. Klopp won't drop Firmino or Salah and he also won't play Salah on the wing in 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1. Our new striker is already at Anfield and his name is Salah. I think he will only play as winger in 4-3-3.

There's no need or space for another big striker, we have other needs in midfield (a creative number 8/10) and a also a backup winger.

Unless we are buying someone like a winger also able to play the striker position (but not a natural striker), like Richarlison for example, I doubt we will buy a proper striker to rotate with Firmino and Salah.
 

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I'd be very surprised if we were to buy another striker with both Firmino and Salah playing 9 (in very different ways) and also with Klopp's favourite 4-4-1-1 coming out of the shadows. Also, Brewster and Solanke as third/fourth choice is more than enough imo. Klopp won't drop Firmino or Salah and he also won't play Salah on the wing in 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1. Our new striker is already at Anfield and his name is Salah. I think he will only play as winger in 4-3-3.

There's no need or space for another big striker, we have other needs in midfield (a creative number 8/10) and a also a backup winger.

Unless we are buying someone like a winger also able to play the striker position (but not a natural striker), like Richarlison for example, I doubt we will buy a proper striker to rotate with Firmino and Salah.
Not sure I agree with that. Klopp likes multi functional players. If Firmino is there as an option for both 1s in a 4411 formation then Mane can be an option both sides, Salah on the right and up front, Shaqiri as cover. A real top draw CF option does make sense. Especially if he's also an option on the left.
 

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Not sure I agree with that. Klopp likes multi functional players. If Firmino is there as an option for both 1s in a 4411 formation then Mane can be an option both sides, Salah on the right and up front, Shaqiri as cover. A real top draw CF option does make sense. Especially if he's also an option on the left.
Depending on the system, we will make use these of these multi functional players. But in 4-4-1-1, Salah can only play up front in Klopp's system, there's no other place for him. Firmino has two spots (although he is not a good playmaker, but an amazing false 9), Mané has two spots and Shaqiri has 2 or 3 spots.

What would happen when we don't have Salah? Firmino up front. We have two world class strikers at the moment and we can use both in very different ways as number nines. Firmino had an amazing 17/18 season playing there, I don't understand why people really think we need another striker.

Playing 4-4-1-1, two amazing strikers in the squad already... I don't know the reason why we would buy a third one. This summer we tried a number 10, not a striker. It was never a striker.
 

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Depending on the system, we will make use these of these multi functional players. But in 4-4-1-1, Salah can only play up front in Klopp's system, there's no other place for him. Firmino has two spots (although he is not a good playmaker, but an amazing false 9), Mané has two spots and Shaqiri has 2 or 3 spots.

What would happen when we don't have Salah? Firmino up front. We have two world class strikers at the moment and we can use both in very different ways as number nines. Firmino had an amazing 17/18 season playing there, I don't understand why people really think we need another striker.

Playing 4-4-1-1, two amazing strikers in the squad already... I don't know the reason why we would buy a third one. This summer we tried a number 10, not a striker. It was never a striker.
I think you are being too structured with the way you are thinking of the roles because of who you have seen perform in them. Whether you call it 4411, 4231, 4333, 4213, 442 I think mostly comes down to the playing style of the personnel used in the positions.

I think what we are seeing these days is Klopp switching between two set ups. One more attacking with 2 CMs, 2 wide attackers and 2 central attackers and another more defensive with 3 CMs, 2 wide attackers and 1 central attacker.

Whether he is 1 of the 2 or the lone central attacker Firmino always drops deeper than a traditional CF. I don't think he is quite as effective in a 2 as on his own because he drops deep but then later in the attack he sometimes can't move into the space he used to when he is on his own. His partner is already in those spaces.

With our current playing staff the most obvious combination for the attacking formation is Salah and Firmino central with Shaqiri on the right. Salah is still our most potent goal scorer and after our first choice 3 attackers Shaqiri is our next best option going on ability, form and fit in playing style.

If he or Mane was missing I think we'd see a version where Sturridge would be starting with Firmino playing off him and Salah on the right.

Klopp believes in players earning their spots and based on that, when everyone is fit, the first four attackers are currently Salah, Firmino, Mane and Shaqiri. Maybe if Shaqiri gets more established and important from a central position we might even see Klopp playing him behind Firmino and Salah moving back to the right but I'm not sure we will see that.

I wouldn't use what we've seen as categorical evidence that Klopp won't look for another star attacker who can play central. After all, whether you consider him to have been an attacking 8, number 10 or false 9 option, whatever label you want to use, Fekir would have been forming a partnership with Firmino attacking from the central positions. If he'd arrived I think our attacking formation would have been him and Firmino central with Salah and Mane wide.

Also whatever you want to think of as a striker I don't think we'd see a Giroud or Lukaku type bought by Klopp. If we go big here someone like Dybala, Werner or Griezmann would be more likely. A fluid player who can be central, wide or dropped off a bit. If that happens I think Sturridge would be allowed to leave and Shaqiri drop from 4th choice attacker to 5th choice.
 

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Wages are also an issue. Sturridge is on ₤120k a week but from what he delivered since his contract extension he should be somewhere between Moreno (i think ₤50k) and Matip (i think 80k) tbf. Sturridge is 29 now and that's an age where he is probably looking to increase his wages.
The only way Sturridge gets kept around is on lower wages, and even then very likely to be at least partially performance based. The FSG model is to avoid giving long contracts to players entering their 30's, and that would be especially true for Sturridge given his injury record. He'll essentially have the choice of staying and playing a squad role on lower wages, or move elsewhere (assuming a contract is offered him at all). Not a bad option to keep around in the squad though as he can still be useful off the bench - though I suspect Klopp will be more keen to get younger players like Brewster involved in squad roles, as that's how you keep your squad hungry.
 

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The thing about Sturridge is that he has already had the experience of dropping down a level for regular games, and he couldn’t get back quick enough.

I think he’d be OK with a squad role. At this point he surely knows that his body isn’t up to 90mins week in week out.
 

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The thing about Sturridge is that he has already had the experience of dropping down a level for regular games, and he couldn’t get back quick enough.

I think he’d be OK with a squad role. At this point he surely knows that his body isn’t up to 90mins week in week out.
Agree, don't think there's been a single rumble of discontent since his stint with West Brom. Was a bit of a rude awakening for the lad, I think. It's a shame his injuries have brought him to this, but at this point he's aware there are worst things than being a supersub for a club chasing top honours.
 

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I'd love Sturridge on a fairly large reduced wage but with some very nice incentives and escalator clauses based on playing time or goals or something of that nature. Everyone seems to like him, and I'm not sure even he wants to play full time somewhere. I think that would break him, and I think he knows it too.
 

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Sturridge has the best left foot / or the most complete left foot in the game today - my opionion.

But at the moment it's not like our Front 3 have to fight real hard to keep their starting places. Sturridge is no competition. Sturridge is not pushing them.

What we are doing this season is managing Sturridges fitness in case Firmino gets injured. And even if Firmino gets injured - that wouldn't make Sturridge an automatic starter because Shaqiri (who is not even a striker) is above him in the pecking order. Klopp would rather change formation instead of starting Sturridge a few games in a row.

Last year in july Klopp said 'we will not sell Sturridge because it would be too expensive to replace him". Means he was already thinking about life without him.
 

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Agree, don't think there's been a single rumble of discontent since his stint with West Brom. Was a bit of a rude awakening for the lad, I think. It's a shame his injuries have brought him to this, but at this point he's aware there are worst things than being a supersub for a club chasing top honours.
His body language is pretty clear. The post game hugs between him and Klopp are generally among the most enthusiastic, with Danny doing the best to match Klopp's smile. And this is true regardless of how little an impact Sturridge has had in that game. He seems to be pretty realistic about what his options are at this stage in his career and has determined that even with a diminished playing role here it is still the best situation for him.
 

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I don’t think Studge is a Klopp type of player. At least not the Klopp we have had thus far. He needs more mobility, energy and toughness. Just like Lukaku or benteke wouldn’t be Klopp type players.

It’s a shame as I really do like studge, but can’t see him staying after this season. It’ll be interesting who Klopp adds to the squad, any newcomers have to be really special - or do we have someone coming through the ranks like Brewster?

Either way, I fully trust Klopp. But I can see origi and studge gone... maybe Solanke stays if the other 2 go?
 

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Sturridge is 50-50 stay/go beyond this season for me. I would imagine that if he stays it will have to be on reduced terms. If he wants the same money, or close, then I can't see us going for that.

He has quality on the ball and knows where the net is, but on the other hand he can't run very fast any more and may be blocking the way for an up and coming player to get on the fringes of the team or match day squad.

I think a lot will depend on who comes in/out in that gap between Brewster and the current main three forwards - Salah, Mane and Firmino. It wouldn't be that much of a surprise to see all three of Sturridge, Origi and Solanke go; but most likely one or two will go and we will sign another forward, preferably a versatile one.

Sturridge has a big question mark over him and could go either way.
 

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I think Solanke desperately needs a loan and Origi desperately needs a move.
 



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I would had keept Clyne, I really don't understand why we are giving him up like that. There's must be more to it then just skills cause he's still good enough, maybe he's been labeled injury proned by the physics and the club and klopp rather cut his wages off the books.
It saddens me cause I really like Clyne, think he's an awesome player.

Edit: I thought we sold him. Nevermind lol
 
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I don’t understand why we’ve let Clyne go, given our current injury situation. In fact, I would’ve selected for the City game ahead of TAA because I think he would’ve dealt with Sané better.
Having said that, apparently Clyne moving to Bournemouth has really pissed off ‘Botox face’ Neil Warnock, provoking him to have his annual rant about Liverpool Football Club. So it’s not all bad after all.
 

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Klopp likes to be fair with his players, and I suspect this was initiated by the player rather than the club.
 

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The summer could see quite a turn over of players.

Sturridge
Lallana
Milner (Leeds)
Origi
Matip
Moreno

Replace those with the likes of :

Werner
Isco
Rabiot
Ake
Bertrand


This would improve the squad but cost a lot and also take a while for the players to bed in.
 

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The summer could see quite a turn over of players.

Sturridge
Lallana
Milner (Leeds)
Origi
Matip
Moreno

Replace those with the likes of :

Werner
Isco
Rabiot
Ake
Bertrand


This would improve the squad but cost a lot and also take a while for the players to bed in.
I doubt that the replacements are real links.

Matip and Milner might really be pushed to stay by Klopp.

And as for the replacements:
Werner( probably the most likely out of the replacements listed, but also requires big money and a lot of competition with clubs like bayern etc )

Rabiot (his contract situation is downright weird and somehow in that merry go round i don't see us coming up tops for him, but if he does want us bad enough sure)

Isco (this is just not happening, i don't know why and how he keeps being linked to us, but he is set to stay in spain, not to mention if anyone its probably city or chelsea who will get him)

Ake ( how is he a upgrade over Matip again? he can play multiple positions but it sounds a over inflated price for a player who isn't better than our 2nd string centre back.)

Bertrand (We have been linked to this guy how many times now? I think its pretty clear he doesn't want to come join us especially if he has to play 2nd fiddle to Robbo, also, how is he a upgrade on moreno again? i don't see it)


Werner and Rabiot i think are realistic options, but the rest is just nuts. Klopp has shown that he is reluctant to just cut and chop the squad up if he doesn't have to. The forwards backup are a real problem , and with the injuries requiring Milner and Fabinho playing out of position, we would need that body in midfield. Otherwise no way he is selling Matip, Moreno and Milner off unless they make life difficult.