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Why aren't we smashing teams anymore?

SirBillShankly

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That's what I'm thinking. Wasn't so long ago we were hammering teams, 7-0 on occasions.

Nowadays, we grind out a lot of our wins by the odd goal. Winning games late on by the odd goal so many times. We can't carry on like this can we?

So, what's changed? Is it Jurgen just being pragmatic and making sure we're defensively solid? Do our opponents know what to expect and we've become predictable? Thoughts.
 


FilthyBloke

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I think a lot of it has to do with the fear factor.
We have only lost once in over 50 league games or something like that. Teams used to face us and feel they had a chance and belief can do wonders to the underdog. Man Utd and arsenal are seeing this now with opponents no longer in awe.
So I think a mix of us with fear factor and the fact we have better players and manager than most teams we face is why we win with late goals so often.
But smashing teams often was followed by a piss in the wind 4-4 game or something. Right now I think we are feeling that 30 year noose around our neck again. But we have the mentality to deal with it.
 

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That's what I'm thinking. Wasn't so long ago we were hammering teams, 7-0 on occasions.

Nowadays, we grind out a lot of our wins by the odd goal. Winning games late on by the odd goal so many times. We can't carry on like this can we?

So, what's changed? Is it Jurgen just being pragmatic and making sure we're defensively solid? Do our opponents know what to expect and we've become predictable? Thoughts.
dont really care how many goals we score or win by
as long as we are winning, is all that matters to me.
sorry.
 

El Dorado

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We did beat Arsenal 5-1 at Anfield late last December. Then there were 5-0 drubbings of Watford and Huddersfield Town in the back half of the PL season, and of course the miraculous 4-0 score over Barca in UCL. But...

Through 13 matches this campaign we've scored four more goals than over the same stretch last season. The bigger difference appears at the defensive end. We only allowed 5 goals through the first 13 PL matches last season versus 11 already this year. So I'd counter by saying why are we more profligate? However, that profligacy has only led to two goals less of differential. And we're top!
 



Red_Jedi

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I think the team has matured and become more pragmatic. We still have got space to progress and develop - which I’ve heard Jurgen say a few times - and is a good thing.

We’ve ridden our luck a few times this season - many wins could have ended as draws. But Man City had lots of late wins in their 100 pt season.

Ive also seen teams give us incredible respect - Brighton tomorrow would be happy to only lose 1-0... so they will play to get a point, and we will play to get that goal but then maintain that lead rather than try and swat them completely.

I’m seeing more professional performances - more robust... but whilst we’ve been lucky with some late goals - we’ve been unlucky too when we’ve conceded.

Var went against us - Utd, villa and Napoli recently. But then went for us v city and palace.

But we just need to continue being relentless. We have a big opportunity over the next few games to continue this winning run - as long as we stay at the top, it doesn’t really matter.
 

The Elusive 19th

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We can't go full metal every game. It's not sustainable as our form will drop of towards the business end of the season due to fatigue and injuries. Further we are not thinking about giving everything for 1 season and then relax for next. We are continually challenging at multiple fronts. In the long run that requires you to save your energy wherever you can.
 

South American Red

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I wonder if it has something to do with the Mané/Salah incident.

I remember those two used to create a huge amount of clear scoring chances.

Since then, I feel their link hás diminished somehow
 



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For me it’s due to two things..

Defense leaking goals.
Not scoring first or not scoring for ages.

Tough viewing! Not for the faint hearted..
 



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Seems to me that most opposition now ae setting up with a very compact defensively orientated 451 formation (Mourinho's magic bore fest). This is very difficult to break down as the opposition can put pressure on most of our 'creative' players lowering the quality of our crosses and through balls. Crystal Palace were a great example of this (as were Napoli) CP got us thumping long balls from our CB's and it wasn't until we concentrated on triangles in the midfield that we managed to break them down. Also I feel we drop back 'easier' after scoring a goal as we are more confident in our defense than before. We are still on a learning curve and none of this can be criticised much (which is why it just tends to be a player or 2 criticised after each match because of a few errors here and there.
Add to that our 'best' striker hasn't hit top form yet this season then flamboyant scorelines are going to be rare.
I still think we are doing great and that it doesn't need much to give a few teams a jolly good hiding.
 

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I think we have become more balanced. Like you say, we used to smash teams and then lose to Burnley 2-0 or as such. We are still playing attractive football but getting results are also a priority now. If you ask me, I am more than willing to compromise on smashing teams on getting such a balance.
 

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We have scored two more league goals than in the corresponding fixtures last season.

We have scored three more Champions League group goals than we had scored after 5 group games last season.
 



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I think today’s game shows the importance of going back to twatting teams.

Had we been 4-0 up, as we could easily have been, we wouldn’t have been hanging on for dear life in the last ten minutes.
i get over it just imagining hundreds of thousands of plastic football fans getting excited thinking we might draw or lose a game only for us to win anyway. They must be soo disappointed. (y) :ROFLMAO:
 

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If not for Mat Ryan we'd have easily been up 3 or 4 zip at half time. I do feel like we've been slightly less clinical recently, but the stats don't lie. We're in a similar spot attacking wise, just conceding a few more goals. Luckily the latter hasn't affected our points tally yet.

I think it's also a bit of a feedback cycle. If we're more comfortably 2 or 3 goals up coming into the latter part of the game, we might be less likely to concede as teams will sink back and avoid more GD punishment. Instead recently we've been giving our opposition a sniff through easily preventible errors which has led to some seriously nervy moments towards the final part of the 90 mins.

Really though, we all say we'd be happy for a season of 1-0s if it got us the title, and maybe we're just doing that with our own little Liverpool slant (2-1 instead).
 

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I feel we can thrash every team 7-0, if you look at how we play, we easily create chances to put the game to bed in the first half.
The only major thing that has changed is that we dont press the way we used to do in klopps first season. This is more of a delayed press, conserving energy to last the whole 90 mins.
Our in ability to keep clean sheet has to do with the fact that we almost always switch off once we get a 2 goal lead and that hurts us.
The dip in form of firmino and salah has been the main reason why we aren't dismantling teams like we should.
Our biggest threat going forward are mane, Robbo and TAA.
We saw against napoli how we struggle when those 3 aren't playing well.
Not overly worried, we have a great mix of players who chip in at the crucial time.
We are in that phase of the season now where our front 3 must fire if we are to compete at all 4 fronts for trophies.
 

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It shows how much of the opposition's tactical plan defensively goes into neutralising Bobby Firmino. It's really sad to say it ;);) but look at our league position and the opposition's plan really seems to be working.
So in other words, live with it!
 



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Because most of the time we play 3 defensive midfielders with no interest in creating chances or opening space in the middle
Our game rely essentiely on pressing , counter , go wide or long
as long as we are efficient in front of goal , which we are , it's enough for us to win games ( for now ) , but we are not going to over dominate by this way of playing
 

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Win every 2-1 and I will be a very happy bunny. :). I think it's a little bit of a couple of different things, not putting chances away , teams playing the European champions, knowing we are the mentality giants, rival managers studying our style and learning how to stop us/score against us. ETC.
 

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I wonder if it has something to do with the Mané/Salah incident.

I remember those two used to create a huge amount of clear scoring chances.

Since then, I feel their link hás diminished somehow
I think at the moment Salah is still struggling with his ankle, they were both good against City and Spurs for example, but I actually think the league is more competitive this season.