Why is this our best season so far for about 30 years?

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In 1987/88 we only lost two games and amassed 90 pts. This season appears to be the best since then (where we won our 17th title)

What makes us so much better this season?
why did other managers take us to 2nd but never make the final step to 1st?
What has Klopp got (apart from a German Accent) thats different to former managers?

In the last 10 years we have often talked about being 1 2 or 3 players short of being a title winning team, but we seemed to be forever at this level (at least until the US buy out and the Hodgson disaster)

Houliier got us 2nd, but then he bought (amongst others) Le Tallec and Pongolle, the biggest youth dissapointments ever. Diouf, the most un-liverpool player ever.
However, he was always missing 2/3 top players

Benitez for me is in the same category as Klopp, but it was more the money that he was missing. His buys were good but he coulodnt get the missing "leg" for his table ! Im not saying he wasnt successful, but, to win the league it was more money that stopped him.

More recently Rodgers- his "barn door open" defence policy was exciting but not good if you want to win the league. Plus balliotelli and Benteke came at a time when we needed 2 world class players !! (and 4 good defenders !!!)

Klopp- he has a better backing that most of our former trainers, however he seems to always spend well. We were good last season, and yet he has spent wisely and bought players of top quality that rerally have moved us on. His last buys are: Ox- ade, Van the man, Fabinho, Keita and Shaq- juist before these it was Salah.

Klopp himself was a trainer by two other teams who he won league with in his third season- That is a great track record. He has the record of brining on yoiung talent (see TAA, Robertson, Solanke, Origi !!, Woodburn and Gomez). What I also like is that we have a few players who have alrerady won league titles- Shaq, Milli, Van the man (and possible more) that can help the squad stay calm and concentrated.

I think the league now has a top 6 (as opposed to a top 4) a decade ago, plus all the league teams are richer and of a higher strandard (even if the top 6 are moving further away). Opposition is hard to comparre over time, but not losing in the first 20 games is a massive indicator of quality. Possibly the biggest change Klopp has made this season is the defence. in 77/78 we let in only 16 goals in 40 games !! we might not beat that, but the way it is going we seem to have a title winning defence. I wonder what Klopp did and who advised him? but it has certainly paid off.

In comparison to Cheski and Arsenal they both seem to be slightly unstable due to new managers with inherited squads. Spurs are good but dont seem to have the sqaud depth to win a title. That just leaves Man City. Im not sure they can do any better than last season so there had to be a dip this year ! Plus, they have really known pressure yet under Pep...

In the end I think our fate lies in the hands of refs and injuries.
 

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1) Klopp's building philosophy is coming to fruition. Houillier and Rafa were building managers too, and could have delivered before him. It took some unreal bad luck to stop them.

The former was severely hindered by his untimely heart attack to fulfill the promise of the great 2000/2001 season, and everything imploded after that, with a series of unlucky events (Babbel's illness for instance), and also some terrible decisions which all came after that.

As for Rafa, he was on the best way to reinstate our former glory. It needed the two leeches to actively undo all his great early work. Even then, with the momentum of his great early years, he still managed to build up our only really serious title challenge since decades, in the 2008/2009 season, but injuries to key players (Gerrard and Torres among others) and a very strong and also lucky Utd side (Macheda, how I dislike this name...) prevented us from crossing the line that year.

Klopp is a bit luckier than those two for now: He is in his best years, healthy as an ox (fingers crossed for this to continue!), and also has the club owners seriously backing him, which leads me to the next, vital point.

2) Finally, FINALLY, the club is united from top to bottom. Everyone knows his role and pulls at the same string. Seemingly, this hasn't happened since eons. As a result, our transfer record has improved to no end, and everyone seems to be happy. There aren't any psychodramas anymore, and the club is less dependent on individuals.

It's the collective which stays at the foreground, at all times. This makes us strong, very strong.

3) Having a complete team, with no apparent weaknesses anymore, from the goalie to the forward line. The strength in depth is sufficient to cover for most injuries. Obviously, we would be seriously weakened by an injury to say, VVD or Allisson. But our overall strength in depth is better than it ever was under Rafa or Houillier.

4) The stability and continuity of three years under the same regime means that the players know exactly what they have to do now. There is a precise list of behaviours and values available, on and off the pitch, and everyone is willing to fully embrace them. Those who are here since some time, and also the new incoming players.
 

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83/84 our treble season. Won league cup, league and European Cup. As close of a title race as you can get with us beating United to it at the final 2 games with a proper 4 horse race. Also the season where our most successful manager call it quit and Fagan took over. Not the smoothest of the season but we still won 3 trophies. Best Roma with that Grobelaar dance move, copied by Dudek. That’s also the year where First Division football, FA Cup and European Cup broadcasted live to my home for the very first time.

The most entertaining and strongest side was of course the 87/88 season with Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge leading our attacks. To those who was wondering why I am not too fuss about people go out and buy expensive record signing, just have a look at this season. We did lose Rush to Juve on a record fee of £3.2m but we also broke the British record when we bought Beardsley from Newcastle for £2m. Yes we used to break transfer records, something that has become foreign to many modern fans. We crushed nearly everyone we met, best scoring and best defensive team. Extremely well balanced side assembled by Sir Dalglish. I still have that grey kit I saved up my pocket money to buy! We don’t have Europe that time around, unfortunately. Or else we would have swept everyone off as well in that competition.

Whay Klopp did over the years reminded me of those two seasons. The ups and down of the 83/84 in his first 2 1/2 years and this side seemed to remind me of the 87/88 squad.

That’s mine.... 08/09 and 13/14 has its special matches but nothing compared to those 2 seasons and now under Klopp.
 
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1) Klopp's building philosophy is coming to fruition. Houillier and Rafa were building managers too, and could have delivered before him. It took some unreal bad luck to stop them.

The former was severely hindered by his untimely heart attack to fulfill the promise of the great 2000/2001 season, and everything imploded after that, with a series of unlucky events (Babbel's illness for instance), and also some terrible decisions which all came after that.

As for Rafa, he was on the best way to reinstate our former glory. It needed the two leeches to actively undo all his great early work. Even then, with the momentum of his great early years, he still managed to build up our only really serious title challenge since decades, in the 2008/2009 season, but injuries to key players (Gerrard and Torres among others) and a very strong and also lucky Utd side (Macheda, how I dislike this name...) prevented us from crossing the line that year.

Klopp is a bit luckier than those two for now: He is in his best years, healthy as an ox (fingers crossed for this to continue!), and also has the club owners seriously backing him, which leads me to the next, vital point.

2) Finally, FINALLY, the club is united from top to bottom. Everyone knows his role and pulls at the same string. Seemingly, this hasn't happened since eons. As a result, our transfer record has improved to no end, and everyone seems to be happy. There aren't any psychodramas anymore, and the club is less dependent on individuals.

It's the collective which stays at the foreground, at all times. This makes us strong, very strong.

3) Having a complete team, with no apparent weaknesses anymore, from the goalie to the forward line. The strength in depth is sufficient to cover for most injuries. Obviously, we would be seriously weakened by an injury to say, VVD or Allisson. But our overall strength in depth is better than it ever was under Rafa or Houillier.

4) The stability and continuity of three years under the same regime means that the players know exactly what they have to do now. There is a precise list of behaviours and values available, on and off the pitch, and everyone is willing to fully embrace them. Those who are here since some time, and also the new incoming players.


At last, somebody who says it like it really is and was. Its only 2nd January and I doubt this post will be bettered all year!
 

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I think Klopp’s greatest strength is that he is secure and confident enough to allow a genuine team/collective to take root and prosper. Many managers, including some of ours in the past, want to control everything and run the whole club from top to bottom.

All the things that Hope mentions helps, especially the unity across the club.
 

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I think Klopp’s greatest strength is that he is secure and confident enough to allow a genuine team/collective to take root and prosper. Many managers, including some of ours in the past, want to control everything and run the whole club from top to bottom.

All the things that Hope mentions helps, especially the unity across the club.
Spot on. As a german he obviously favor professionalism and order. If you're not professional or don't know how to carry yourself you got no place here. How he dealt with Sakho is a good examble of that imo.
 

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I don't think I can add anything extra what has already been said in this wonderful thread.
Honestly, I know I sound like a nervous wreck before matches, but the last 3 years, I have really enjoyed watching most of the matches our team has played, the press match conferences and almost every single piece of news and interviews regarding our club. I have never been this enthusiastic since the late 1980s.

One thing I have noticed also, Klopp has brought the the supporters more closer to the club and has helped us to love our club, our players and enjoy football and to believe again. He has brought us supporters closer together with each other than we were in the past He has re-ignited interest in our club bringing in new supporters from various parts of the world. He has managed to have a calming effect and be patient, whenever we go into panic mode. Remember, one January window (maybe 2 years), some of us were fretting, why hasn't the club bought any players, our squad is thin. I remember Klopp shrugging his shoulders saying' I am not worried'.
Finally, I thank God I am alive and lucky and have all my faculties (just about) to witness this era of our club's journey towards a positive and successful road.
 
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I don’t think Klopp has done half the things that are attributed to him. We have to be careful to recognise the input and achievement of FSG and Michael Edwards as well.

I would certainly question any role in bringing supporters closer together. I don’t even know who our supporters are. They’re spread all over the world.

I just restrict myself to acknowledging the significant impact he has had on the first team squad, the quality and style of play, the quality and depth of our first-team squad, the shared values and the important work he has done on the playing infrastructure and to a lesser extent with the Marketing and PR people and through them the local community.

All of this has without doubt had a massive positive impact on the feelgood factor at the club but could not have been achieved without FSG, Peter Moore and Michael Edwards.

That’s how I see it anyway ....... !
 
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We're on a great run yes, best start to a season ever.
But, it doesn't interest me how we're comparing to our own previous seasons.
I'm only interested in how we're comparing to the other teams competing with us this season.

We are doing very well right now, but it will all count for nothing if we dont match or better the challenge Man City are making.
I like what I'm seeing, in everything the whole club is doing, it just all seems right.......but it wont take much for it to all come crashing down.
Still one game at a time for me.
 

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One interesting point which was said to me was, we the almost complete team, but we have this "thing", i don't have a name for it, when we are on top, we have this stumbling block of getting over the final line.

We need to find a way to get rid of this stumbling block.
 
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I so hope you're right Eddie, if we don't win the league this season the disappointment will be unbearable.
I always thought Klopp would need another season of bedding in his style of football before we got that far. In 2019/20 we can be stronger still. So it won't seem like a last chance missed.
 

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Over the last 30 odd years we've been also runs and nearly men.

Yes we've finished second a couple of times, won a cup or two :tongue: but even in the good seasons, we've seemed to stagnate, either through poor transfer business or lack of money. This caused everyone else to catch up to us and become more viable for the world class players.

It was a domino effect, poor management, poor transfer business, poor owners, each season seemed to have either one or the other.

But now, the club, the players, the management, the fans seem to be in harmony.

The transfers have so far been excellent, Klopp is loved by all, the players are committed and we don't appear to have many weak positions across the pitch. Early in the season fans were bemoaning the style of play compared to last season but we are a million miles better than last season with this style of play...........hard to beat, hard to score against, in the Torres, Suarez era, we scored bucketloads........but then conceeded bucketloads.

And the commercial and promotion side of the club is so different now, all the things the club does for local and worldwide fans, the school visits, the hospital visits, from watching the videos the players look like they enjoy doing it, and not just being there because its an integral part of their contract.

FSG also........they had their doubters early on but now seem the perfect owners, minimal press statements, and they have backed the manager 100%.

Deep in my soul...........im waiting for it to go all tits up........but my faith is getting stronger match by match.