Your thoughts on the season to come - Prediction time

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We made our situation difficult.Instead of being 4 points ahead of City with one match less we are equal on points.
Or, the cheating ref Anthony 'I support Altrincham' Taylor had acted correctly, city would have had kompany off in the first half in our game before Aguero scored. And we still have a game in hand.

We go to old trafford soon. I hope we avoid defeat while united turn over their neighbours. Despite what neville may say, the united players and solskjaer will be desparate to beat them.
 

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He really isnt. The guy has completely re-invented football with some of the tactics and formations he’s designed/employed especially during his time at Barca.

Yes hes had a wealth of resource at his disposal but to dismiss his ability as a manager is just blinkered because he manages City.
Wow. Does anyone else know that?
 

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Got that bitter sweet feeling.

Incredible high yesterday....... and really hoped Chelsea would bring their A game today... but all over inside 20 minutes.

City made a statement today and this week.

The good thing is that we have hope that city may slip up against the lesser teams.

Incredible how they are fighting on all four fronts. Whatever the wealth etc - they still need to do it. Look at what mourinho spent and what he did with that team. Credit to pep - but really disliking the city fan base.

Wonder what pep thinks when he sees all those empty seats, and songs about us.

I think it’s going to be one hell of a ride.

We have 3 matches in Feb to come. Let’s get this on.
At the end of the season, if we don't end up winning it, we can say that we fought and we tried. Next season, whether as champions or the team that ended up coming second in a tight race, we'll try again. The season after that, too, and the season after that.
 

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Incredible how they are fighting on all four fronts. Whatever the wealth etc - they still need to do it. Look at what mourinho spent and what he did with that team. Credit to pep - but really disliking the city fan base.
Amazing aren't they.

They got through a CL group containing Lyon, Hoffenheim and Shaktar. 14th place Schalke up next, a bit like Bayern drawing Brighton.

They have knocked Burnley and Rotherham out of the FA Cup. Newport could prove formidable opposition though.

They managed to get past Oxford, Fulham, Leicester and Burton Albion to reach the CC final.

They are level on points with us in the PL due to playing a game more.

They may go on to win all 4, who knows. But where they are right now is the absolute minimum expectation given the opposition they have faced and the fucking insanely expensive squad they have at their disposal.

Oh, and let's not forget their Financial Fair Play abuse.
 

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It feels like there’s a bit too much talk that sounds like, “Well, we gave it a go.”

I hope the team put their fists up and fight hard. Bournemouth was a great start, after the mini-slump of two draws. The performance level was much better. What’s to say we won’t win the rest of our league games? And if we draw one and win the rest, we are champions. We can do that. It’s unlikely City win will all of their remaining games but it is possible. And the same goes for us.

We are in a great spot. We fight on. Well done City. You’ve drawn level with the mighty reds, having played a game more. We’re not going anywhere and nothing is conceded, not by a long way.

Game on.
 

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Great. We'll both end up with 92 points each and they'll have a better GD. But we'll win the league. Makes sense.

They seem to be listed by how likely the team is to win the league, we have a 51% chance whilst City have a 49% chance. City also have more losses.
 

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It feels like there’s a bit too much talk that sounds like, “Well, we gave it a go.”

I hope the team put their fists up and fight hard. Bournemouth was a great start, after the mini-slump of two draws. The performance level was much better. What’s to say we won’t win the rest of our league games? And if we draw one and win the rest, we are champions. We can do that. It’s unlikely City win will all of their remaining games but it is possible. And the same goes for us.

We are in a great spot. We fight on. Well done City. You’ve drawn level with the mighty reds, having played a game more. We’re not going anywhere and nothing is conceded, not by a long way.

Game on.
Yeah, there's a long way to do yet and we can still do it!
 

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I saw this model a couple of weeks ago and we were massive favourites to win the league, and now it is neck and neck. I think the percentages move around too much, but apart from that it is a decent model. Neck and neck seems about right.

However, if we win the title with the same points and a worse goal difference, as the final table on the model suggests, I’ll take it!
 

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I saw this model a couple of weeks ago and we were massive favourites to win the league, and now it is neck and neck. I think the percentages move around too much, but apart from that it is a decent model. Neck and neck seems about right.

However, if we win the title with the same points and a worse goal difference, as the final table on the model suggests, I’ll take it!
I think a lot of people have said that before, that the percentages are too sensitive to changes or something like that.
 

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Or alternatively we win it, and are lauded as the team that reined in 25 points from last season to become champions
For the fourth season running if you look back to Leicester, Conte Chelsea (post José), and even Citeh bettered their previous season's points tally by a huge margin to win it last year. Nothing special about us winning it in that regard.
 

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I think a lot of people have said that before, that the percentages are too sensitive to changes or something like that.
It wouldn't be so sensitive or suddenly so against us, if the number of matches played at any one time was more regular. That's because for their model there's no way to build in the psychological benefit having a game in hand gives us (or not)
 

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For the fourth season running if you look back to Leicester, Conte Chelsea (post José), and even Citeh bettered their previous season's points tally by a huge margin to win it last year. Nothing special about us winning it in that regard.

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Thanks I’ll try to remember that if we lift the trophy!
 

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I'm grateful from the bottom of my heart for Liverpool to be in this situation, though, even though failed titles challenges every five years have become a commonplace for me. This time, though, this has to be the start of something big and glorious for Liverpool - or at least I'm a fool enough to believe so but everything points in that direction. I hope the boys give it their best in both Premier League and Champions League, make the rest of the world (and prospective transfer targets) stand up and take notice even if the likely scenario of this injury-hit, thin squad coming up short takes place. After all, Klopp is playing the long game here and I'm yet to get the impression that he has hit the ceiling and that the squad are overperforming this season like in 2008/09 and 2013/14.
Yeah, that's the right spirit, mate. This isn't 13/14, with the challenge built on one world-class player. As soon as he went, everything unraveled at once. It's not 08/09 either, with g+h bleeding the club dry and Rafa fighting with one arm tied in his back, and players sold from under his nose.

This time around, it's a strong squad Klopp is building, and it won't get away. All key players have long-term contracts with the club, are happy to be here to enjoy their football and get success together. Klopp is here to stay, and the club won't suddenly stop supporting him. That means that we are bound to improve even further beyond this season. Even if no new player comes in next summer apart from a few replacements for departing fringe players, we will be stronger. The new lads will have had a full season to adapt to the PL and to the way Klopp wants us to play.

Look at Tottenham: they didn't bring in anyone of note, and yet are competing for the title and doing better than last season. Same will happen for us. Then, there is still the possibility of one or two players coming in and genuinely improving this group of players again, who knows...

I've said it from the off and you are right; we haven't hit peak level yet, and again, this isn't the season we are meant to hit it. I'm surprised by how well we have done, and am enjoying every minute. The Bournemouth game was a superb example of how well the boys are doing. But I don't expect anything more from the lads than to give everything they have, and to see where that leads us to. If we don't win it this season, I'll just shrug it off and eagerly expect next season to start again.

The good thing is: there is no negative pressure for us. That's just an invention from the media. The pressure is only positive: if we unexpectedly make it, great. If not, we go again next season. What's not to enjoy about that situation?
 

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he is overrated dont you thin so
Or, the cheating ref Anthony 'I support Altrincham' Taylor had acted correctly, city would have had kompany off in the first half in our game before Aguero scored. And we still have a game in hand.

We go to old trafford soon. I hope we avoid defeat while united turn over their neighbours. Despite what neville may say, the united players and solskjaer will be desparate to beat them.
Let's see whom the FA sends to referee the United match.
 

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Yeah, that's the right spirit, mate. This isn't 13/14, with the challenge built on one world-class player. As soon as he went, everything unraveled at once. It's not 08/09 either, with g+h bleeding the club dry and Rafa fighting with one arm tied in his back, and players sold from under his nose.

This time around, it's a strong squad Klopp is building, and it won't get away. All key players have long-term contracts with the club, are happy to be here to enjoy their football and get success together. Klopp is here to stay, and the club won't suddenly stop supporting him. That means that we are bound to improve even further beyond this season. Even if no new player comes in next summer apart from a few replacements for departing fringe players, we will be stronger. The new lads will have had a full season to adapt to the PL and to the way Klopp wants us to play.

Look at Tottenham: they didn't bring in anyone of note, and yet are competing for the title and doing better than last season. Same will happen for us. Then, there is still the possibility of one or two players coming in and genuinely improving this group of players again, who knows...

I've said it from the off and you are right; we haven't hit peak level yet, and again, this isn't the season we are meant to hit it. I'm surprised by how well we have done, and am enjoying every minute. The Bournemouth game was a superb example of how well the boys are doing. But I don't expect anything more from the lads than to give everything they have, and to see where that leads us to. If we don't win it this season, I'll just shrug it off and eagerly expect next season to start again.

The good thing is: there is no negative pressure for us. That's just an invention from the media. The pressure is only positive: if we unexpectedly make it, great. If not, we go again next season. What's not to enjoy about that situation?
We'll be challenging for the next few seasons and beyond, I'm sure of that.
 

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I don't think that those draws with Leicester and West Ham will prove to be the turning point in the title race - in my opinion, those twelve millimetres of the ball which didn't cross the line at Etihad plus Taylor's mistake in not sending off Kompany will probably prove to be the difference in the end. Instead of remaining seven or even going ten points clear (though I think the latter was more probable and more realistic scenario), Liverpool find themselves behind on goal difference, with a game in hand (and that one being a trip to Old Trafford to a scarily in-form Man United side). Not to mention the psychological blow it would have handed Man City...

Anyway, what's done is done. The realist in me expects Man City to win the title because they have the momentum, the form and they don't have the injuries (and even if they did, for every De Bruyne and Aguero, they have a Bernardo Silva and a Gabriel Jesus - near-infinite amounts of money can buy squad depth, eh?). They also don't have away trip to Everton and Chelsea at home anymore, games in which Liverpool tend to drop points.

I'm grateful from the bottom of my heart for Liverpool to be in this situation, though, even though failed titles challenges every five years have become a commonplace for me. This time, though, this has to be the start of something big and glorious for Liverpool - or at least I'm a fool enough to believe so but everything points in that direction. I hope the boys give it their best in both Premier League and Champions League, make the rest of the world (and prospective transfer targets) stand up and take notice even if the likely scenario of this injury-hit, thin squad coming up short takes place. After all, Klopp is playing the long game here and I'm yet to get the impression that he has hit the ceiling and that the squad are overperforming this season like in 2008/09 and 2013/14.
Yes, I have wondered since the moment it happened whether the John Stones clearance might end up in that special LFC box of horrors that contains Gerrard falling over against Chelsea and Macheda's injury time goal against Villa.

If you go back to the start of this thread you will see plenty of blind optimism that this is our year with the occasional miserable bastard like me bringing down the mood by saying I didn't think we'd be able to sustain a serious challenge. That assessment was based more on what we were up against rather than how good we might be. City are no obviously weaker this season and making up a 25 point gap seemed highly improbable in a single season.

Yet here we are with 12 games to go level on points and with a game in hand (albeit at Old Trafford). What once seemed almost impossible is now definitely possible but it remains a huge task against a team with that amount of strength in depth. Personally I think if we were able to win the title this season it would be the greatest title win since Shankly won it in 72/73, possibly even since he first won it in the sixties, such was the scale of the task facing us at the start of the season and the weight of expectation and pressure on us given how long it's been since we last won it.

Previous failed title challenges in 08/09 and 13/14 have been followed by swift collapses. I think this season is very reminiscent of 08/09 in that we are up against a formidable opponent, got good early results based largely on great defending with the occasional bit of luck thrown in and with one or two grumbles from some fans on the style of play. We have even had the same January dip. What happens next is really important. If we do fall short then the reaction has to be more measured than it was in 08/09 if we are to use this experience as a springboard for another challenge next season with (hopefully) a stronger squad. We are over-achieving this season by going toe to toe with City and it's important for us to remember that.
 

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And that's only counting on Man City winning every single game till the end of the season, which i doubt.

For me the Ref decision that could cost us the league was the failure to send off Kompany for what was as clear a red card as you will ever see.City down to 10 men and we would have at least got a point and that would have meant they would have dropped 2 so we would now be 6 points in front. Frankly the way things are going I have a gut feeling we are going to miss out again by a small margin. We have a very tough game to play at Old Toilet and City´s slightly more direct approach and strength in depth make them unlikely to drop points.
 

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I genuinely think people are thinking too deeply about this.

It’s actually very simple.

The title is in our hands given our game in hand.

Forget about City’s billions, all we have to do to clinch the premiership it is to win the following games:

United away.
Watford Home
Everton Away
Burnley Home
Fulham Away.
Spurs Home
Southampton Away
Chelsea Home
Cardiff Away
Huddersfield Home
Newcastle Away
Wolves Home.

How many of those are really tough? Arguably only United and Spurs, and City have to play them as well. A derby is a derby, but Everton are poor as are Chelsea.

The rest are games that we should win if we are to be crowned the best premiership team this season.

If we don’t, then we have let a massive opportunity slip as these are mainly games that we should win.

In that case, ‘well done to the winners’, and we fight again next season.
 

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For me the Ref decision that could cost us the league was the failure to send off Kompany for what was as clear a red card as you will ever see.City down to 10 men and we would have at least got a point and that would have meant they would have dropped 2 so we would now be 6 points in front. Frankly the way things are going I have a gut feeling we are going to miss out again by a small margin. We have a very tough game to play at Old Toilet and City´s slightly more direct approach and strength in depth make them unlikely to drop points.
Said it at the time I hope it's not this season's equivalent of that bald cunt Webb not sending off Eto'o at Stamford Bridge in 13/14.
Clear red card at 0-0, allowed to stay on and score one of their goals, also commited a foul on Suarez that was a blatant penalty , Webb had a clear view of it and waved play on.
 

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Said it at the time I hope it's not this season's equivalent of that bald cunt Webb not sending off Eto'o at Stamford Bridge in 13/14.
Clear red card at 0-0, allowed to stay on and score one of their goals, also commited a foul on Suarez that was a blatant penalty , Webb had a clear view of it and waved play on.
Indeed and this even out over a season thing is bollocks too. When we've had favourable decisions they've been in matches we'd have won, when we haven't it's cost us points (Leicester at home).

If we don't win the league, the City match was the obvious turning point. We were flying, they were on the ropes, staying 7 clear or going 10 clear might have given them too much to do.

That ref decision impacted that match, Klopp didn't make enough of it, and we also let them off the hook with a poor team selection.

For me City look too powerful now to drop many more points. They're getting easy cup draws too.

Whether we drop more will depend very much on injuries. Also on Klopp getting his team selections spot on.

If we don't suffer another centre back crisis and the midfield/forwards stay mostly fit, we might get very close to it. But we saw against Leicester and West Ham what happens when our lack of depth is exposed.

The CL is the free hit this season, so it's good we have that match to warm up for Old Trafford.
 

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Indeed and this even out over a season thing is bollocks too. When we've had favourable decisions they've been in matches we'd have won, when we haven't it's cost us points (Leicester at home).
If the referee or linesman had spotted Robbo’s hand ball against City, we’re sitting on two points fewer.
 

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Indeed and this even out over a season thing is bollocks too. When we've had favourable decisions they've been in matches we'd have won, when we haven't it's cost us points (Leicester at home).

If we don't win the league, the City match was the obvious turning point. We were flying, they were on the ropes, staying 7 clear or going 10 clear might have given them too much to do.

That ref decision impacted that match, Klopp didn't make enough of it, and we also let them off the hook with a poor team selection.

For me City look too powerful now to drop many more points. They're getting easy cup draws too.

Whether we drop more will depend very much on injuries. Also on Klopp getting his team selections spot on.

If we don't suffer another centre back crisis and the midfield/forwards stay mostly fit, we might get very close to it. But we saw against Leicester and West Ham what happens when our lack of depth is exposed.

The CL is the free hit this season, so it's good we have that match to warm up for Old Trafford.
Klopp said: "I really like Vincent Kompany but how on earth is that not a red card?"
The German added: "He is last man and he goes in. If he hits Mo more he is out for the season."

What would you have had him do exactly?
 

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For me City look too powerful now to drop many more points. They're getting easy cup draws too.
They lost to Newcastle not too long ago. As for easy draws in cups, they didn't have many hard possibilities left in the FA Cup as most of the Premier League had been knocked out and if they get past Schalke they won't get an easier draw than them.