I was going to approve your post until I got to your last line. Allisson for Mignolet? Keita and Fabinho in midfield? Shaqiri as back-up option for the front line?If it goes the way we fear, it is no disgrace to lose a CL semi to one of Europe's richest clubs, nor the CL title to England's richest club, especially as both clubs cheat the rules and are regularly aided by match officials.
Klopp has done his best with the resources available, and although he's made some mistakes, especially at key moments, we only had those key moments at all because of him getting us there.
The title was lost at the Etihad. This was in large part due to Kompany not being sent off. Klopp also picked the wrong midfield and our forwards were wasteful. The fatigue in Jan/Feb also hurt us, and we had little offensively on the bench to turn those draws to wins.
The CL semi was lost because we didn't take our chances. For the second season running, one injury to a forward left us with no viable forward alternatives of the same level, so we played an extra midfielder instead (Lallana in Kiev).
We won't by default compete at the same level next season without addressing issues.
Every time we've finished second previously we've sold a top player. That can't be the case this summer if we want to stay competitive.
We've also not done the right things to improve the team and squad how it needed improving. Let's hope we do what we need this time.
If you reread my post I was referring to every time we finished second.I was going to approve your post until I got to your last line. Allisson for Mignolet? Keita and Fabinho in midfield? Shaqiri as back-up option for the front line?
I think it was a fucking great summer to be fair. I'm not sure what could have be done more, especially when you consider that Fekir was bound to come in too until his fitness concerns came out. It's probably fair enough to say that a fully fit Fekir could have made a difference for us this season, but I can't blame the club for having bailed out at the time. No need to create more work for our doctors and physios than needed.
You on the other hand seem to have issues with that failed deal it seems. Well, tough luck, it wasn't to be, but I'm sure that Klopp and Edwards have pinpointed one or two convenient quality players to reinforce our frontline in a telling and intelligent way. It might be Brewster and Wilson for what we know. That would be even better than bringing in a player from abroad for a gazillion.
Ah yes sorry, I misread that. Fair enough and I agree with you!If you reread my post I was referring to every time we finished second.
In 2009 and 2014 we finished second but then sold a key player (Alonso and Suarez) and didn't add what we needed, or spent unwisely.
I'm saying that this time, hopefully the club will ensure we go into next season with all our top players and the right players added.
If we don't then we can't expect our top players to stick around.
If the likes of Brewster and Wilson can contribute at the right level next season then they will be welcome additions to the squad.
But we need to be able to rotate the front three more without risking results. It would be a huge gamble to bet on the likes of Wilson and Brewster being able to play regularly in the PL and CL.
We cannot have merely three experienced, peak age, proven, top quality forwards, if we ever want to win anything.
I would like to think that one day there will be a statue to JK outside Anfield. He won't get that statue as recognition for his teams entertaining and playing great football but remaining serial runners up. I used to expect Liverpool to win trophies but of course now that has evolved from expectation to hope. In sport you do gauge success by the number of trophies you win. If you are Liverpool or Spurs fans I can see that it suits to say trophies are not the be all and end all.Even if we do end trophy-less, it shouldn't detract from what has been one of the better seasons in the club's history.
There's also a far greater sense of permanence about us this time around compared to our previous challenges. Klopp's laying incredibly strong foundations which will inevitably result in trophies. We're not at the end of the line even if we're second/semi finalists come May 12.
The whole "it's a shit season unless you win something" barb which is thrown at Pochettino and Klopp in particular is baseless rubbish, unless you're the type of supporter that only places value in silverware and nothing else (i.e. plastic as fuck).
Please no.............That would be ridiculous....Imagine the glee of all the other fans if that happened.There should be a massive party in Liverpool regardless of whether we win anything or not. I mean literally the open-air bus with players and manager on board should roll through town. We should all be celebrating the team we have right now rather than being nervous, worried or depressed about trophies.
Indeed - Let's not confuse Success with Progress.Please no.............That would be ridiculous....Imagine the glee of all the other fans if that happened.
I tend to agree agree. I deliberately avoided using the term "success" because that is ultimately decided by trophies. Football is cruel at the best of times, but it's looking particularly gut wrenching right about now.I would like to think that one day there will be a statue to JK outside Anfield. He won't get that statue as recognition for his teams entertaining and playing great football but remaining serial runners up. I used to expect Liverpool to win trophies but of course now that has evolved from expectation to hope. In sport you do gauge success by the number of trophies you win. If you are Liverpool or Spurs fans I can see that it suits to say trophies are not the be all and end all.
I am not a plastic fan. I was born a Liverpudlian. Of course I take some comfort from the way the team is progressing but that will only last if we build on that and next season actually win something. I guarantee there will be players who will consider that they need to move on to win the trophies they crave if the silverware doesn't come soon.
You can't expect to win trophies like the PL or CL, as you can't control what other clubs do in order to improve their own chances.
But you can control what you do to be competitive yourselves.
We have a top manager, we have one of the strongest financial situations of all European clubs without benefactors. We are 90% there in terms of a best 11 and 75% there in terms of the squad.
We should be able to go out there and add what we need.
We do need to add 2, 3 or 4 quality players each summer to be competitive, as well as developing youth. We need to constantly take out those at the bottom of the squad and improve on them.
There remain 4 or 5 legacy players from the pre Klopp era, who through age, level or being injury prone are little use.
We can't only have 14 or 15 regularly usable players as we have just now.
We can't ruin the careers of top players by overplaying them because there's nobody to rotate them with.
We have to honour the likes of Alisson and VVD being prepared to come to LFC, by constantly building so that they have a real chance of success with us.
If you never win anything then in the end you struggle to keep top players and to attract them.
We're currently attractive due to what the football world expects us to achieve on the current trajectory, but to actually make good on that expectation we have to go to the next level.
Klopp talks about players seeing LFC as a final destination. That will only ever truly be the case if the club wins trophies.
If LFC can see the issues, and genuinely wants to develop and remain competitive, which it should be doing even if we win something, this summer should see a further significant net investment in the squad.
Hahaha lad, imagine. Should ask Everton if we could borrow their cuckoo clock & parade that down Queens Drive like it's 2005 againThere should be a massive party in Liverpool regardless of whether we win anything or not. I mean literally the open-air bus with players and manager on board should roll through town. We should all be celebrating the team we have right now rather than being nervous, worried or depressed about trophies.
Really should have won the league. Margins so fine. Disappointing to say the least. Need to make sure we win the Champions League now.
Yes I'm going to do this again. It was 18 mins into the game. If that had been in the 5th minute of 5 additional minutes past 90 they might have a point. If that was scored at 18 minutes, would City have scored less/more than 2 goals? Would Liverpool have scored more than 1 or have scored a reply on 64'?With one of the Premier League's most extraordinary title races now over, we look at the small margins that finally separated Manchester City and Liverpool.www.bbc.co.uk
Of course you're right. Football is chaos and the butterfly effect applies. Impossible to say how a game would have turned out had one incident gone the other way.Yes I'm going to do this again. It was 18 mins into the game. If that had been in the 5th minute of 5 additional minutes past 90 they might have a point. If that was scored at 18 minutes, would City have scored less/more than 2 goals? Would Liverpool have scored more than 1 or have scored a reply on 64'?
As with the ridiculous referee decisions article last season, I really struggle to see how supposed professionals can just throw a goal in randomly and think it will neither affect the individual match nor every match after it. Think about the City BHA game on the weekend. City replied a single minute after Brighton scored. Then they scored another soon after. Had Brighton not scored, would the result still have been a 1-4 victory or was it because the home team scored first? Who knows?
Let's just say that the flawed logic of the above BBC article played out as they suggested and it was a draw or win to us. Can we even, lock in every other subsequent win we had in reality as if the added pressure of being true frontrunners with 30 years of history weighing on us made no difference? Impossible to tell. Maybe taking something from the emptyhad would have broken City and they would have dropped more points? It's just guesswork though.
Is all just guesswork that BBC are trying to sell as fact. Locking in another goal in a game played in January and marking it down as fact that not only that game played out exactly the same score-wise, but every other game for both teams across the remainder of the season, is grade-A baloney. Just like the refereeing article last season.
Now if you are clinging onto this article as a coping mechanism to get you through to the CL final that hopefully has a happier ending, then I sincerely apologize for raining on your parade. But that's all this article can and should be used for. To make us feel better about getting pipped by 1 point.
I'm going to be honest and didnt think City had a chance in hell of getting maximum points for the season after that game (it was wasn't it?) so at the time I didnt actually see the game as being as crucial as clearly many on here saw it. I was expecting a few more opportunities for us to push further in front.Of course you're right. Football is chaos and the butterfly effect applies. Impossible to say how a game would have turned out had one incident gone the other way.
The relevance of the Stones clearance for me is what a psychological blow it was. When it happened I was celebrating it as a goal but when I realised it hadn't gone in my next reaction was that we probably weren't going to win that game and we might not go on to win the league. You can tell me it's irrational and illogical to feel that way and you're completely right but it just seemed unbelievable that it hadn't gone in. 11mms short of crossing the line and the ball is cleared perfectly through the legs of Salah. In such a massive game, where the margins are always going to be tiny between winning, drawing and losing. After going through 29 years without winning the title and quite a long time without winning anything at all these things do get into your head and, for me, the defeat at the Etihad was the most crucial result of the whole season.
Say what you like about whether they are cheating off the field but City the team (rather than club) won the league rather than us losing it. Deserved champions imo. For me it actually eases the pain somewhat by saying that. Just fucking sucks that we put in such an extraordinary, consistent shift when they did.